ArmA 3 on Steamworks?

[jibemorel 10]

http://www.bistudio.com/english/company/developers-blog/356-arma3-steam-dev-blog

Seriously, what were you thinking when writing this BIS? Threatening us that a game wouldn't be possible without it.

The whole text is bad communication, for real, it feels like a whole load of bs.

That's no way to communicate.

Yeah i just really don't understand why some people are overjoyed with this announcement, seeing a talented indie studio admitting there has been massive troubles during the development process which lead them to goes down the steam pipe as unique back up, it's just indecent...

This should be a sad day for everyone of us and yet some people are here arguing how it's gonna be great and everything is fine or better calling people names. Talk about a community...

[down8 30]

I have Arma 2 on steam, and never had problems with mods. Also the feature of backup the game in the hard drive(if you don't have a good connection) and restore corrupted installations easily (few clicks) and fast is very cool.

[maddogx 13]

I understand that most of the problems people have with steam might be fear of some hypothetical scenario that might or might not be happening.

I get the same impression.

[nuxil 2]

..... There might be people which have problems but I dont see how a possible minority should dictate how things go for the majority?

say what ?? dictate what ? i only said its a joke/fraud because offline mode only works for 30 days!

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Are there statistics or do you have general problems with the service?

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... Never had said issue too. Do you have any examples or statistics, or is it just hypothetical fear?

Do you really think i sit a collect stats everytime steam is unavaileble or the updater behvies like crap? no i dont. try google "cant connect to steam" i bet you get thousands of hits. ;)

also i just recently experianced this. http://www.bildedump.no/pics/7ba433a533f842490070000a8b48ea60.jpg . this what i meant that the updater behavies like shit sometimes.

just because it works for you doesnt mean it works for others.

4 I only get pop ups when I restart steam which happens when I restart the pc

thats a popup to much in my opinion. i dont like Adverts. that why i run adblocker on my browser. ""does such a plugin exsits for steam :p""

[maddogx 13]

thats a popup to much in my opinion. i dont like Adverts. that why i run adblocker on my browser. ""does such a plugin exsits for steam :p""

Steam pop-up news/ads can be disabled in the options. ;)

[spooky lynx 73]

1) Do you have evidence that steam got broken in the last 10 years that prevented users from playing the game or are you just drawing a more or less probable scenario here?

Yes I have one just now. I had Steam switched in offline mode for some weeks, now I tried to switch it to online and... ta-da, it CTDs with error. And when I bought HL2: Ep2 I had to wait for proper activation and that sheety updates for some days because of overcrowded servers and lack of bandwidth. So in both cases I have to abandon one software because of troubles in other.

2) Bad for all the people that have no internet for at least once a month or so. (Minority I guess, dont think this is a true negative point for most of the users)

I may have some connection problems now, but why the hell I have to wait for its repair to play my game in offline?

3) could you give a bit more details. What are realistic actual problems that occur when you use steam?

I need only game but not all other additional stuff. If they want me to activate the game online - okay, but don't make me use that software anymore.

4) I dont understand your point. I had never problems - I use it for 10 years and have about 50 games. Is this again hypothtical or do you have a real issue here?

I had several cases of inability to play HL2 and episodes without updates download. And Steam updates itself without my will. When such update is to be made but my connections is either slow of switched off I don't have ability to use the whole Steam.

5) what is bad about hings you dont need but could use if you wanted?

I will definitely not use them. I don't play online.

So, while I was writing this post, my Steam client crushed four times, one time after try to update. No problems you say?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

I get the same impression.

I get the impression that most of them are on 56.6k dial-up. Completely circular logic trying to find a boogeyman, where none exists - yes, having $5,000 worth of games on a digital library is insanity - ONE single game on Steam, that you know & love, that you've played for TEN years, TEN YEARS (have they played it for ten years even?) is not a sacrifice, but a reasonable compromise, if even that. In ArmA's case with regards to multiplayer experience, I'd say Steam is an upgrade.

After the troubles BIS went through, yes I do believe ArmA III was at risk without the resources that Steam can provide.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Iroquois Pliskin

[nuxil 2]

Steam pop-up news/ads can be disabled in the options. ;)

Oh.. good to know :)

[zoog 18]

If I remember correctly you can turn off the steam launch popups in the Steam settings.

Edit: ninja'd

[jibemorel 10]

I understand that most of the problems people have with steam might be fear of some hypothetical scenario that might or might not be happening.

Any words about the end user agreement, the non refund policy, intrusive always on client or steam monopolistic tendencies ?

[Smurf 12]

Any words about the end user agreement, the non refund policy, intrusive always on client or steam monopolistic tendencies ?

You will have to live with it, simple as that. Don't agree? Don't play. No other way.

This is much more somekind of paranoia than technical problems, isn't it?

[pathetic_berserker 4]

Yeah i just really don't understand why some people are overjoyed with this announcement, seeing a talented indie studio admitting there has been massive troubles during the development process which lead them to goes down the steam pipe as unique back up, it's just indecent...

This should be a sad day for everyone of us and yet some people are here arguing how it's gonna be great and everything is fine or better calling people names. Talk about a community...

Too right it,

And I all the years I have never had a problem with non-steam ArmA yet all I find steam wants to do is update itself or its games.

Just last week I piked up Rage out of a bargin bin only to find it was steam activated and then precceeded to tell me it was updating @1MBs for 5hrs, WTF!

The least steam could do is tell me how much it wants to down load but it seems to have issues with transparency.

Oh well, like or not, I'll grin and bear it. But no matter how people feel about steam the reasons for the decision are not good.

[jibemorel 10]

I don't don't know why but i expected this kind of non answer. Say much about the gaming community nowdays no values, no standards. EA and Activision are winners

[spooky lynx 73]

1) This is how it works today. If you cannot support BI with their decision to use something that saves them a lot of headache and money, why would you consider yourself as a supporter?

I am concidering myself as supporter but I don't want their headache to become my. I have plenty of it even without Steam, thanks.

First time, yes.

Regularly.

4) Good. Everyone is up-to-date and do not have to install it manually.

The only purpose I use Steam for is online game activation and launching them. Why should I update it?

[tremanarch 6]

And you can also disable the automatic update feature!

thats an important one if you have a bad Inet connection. Because when the updater started it must finish. So dont let it start automatically.

And to the people that have Steam problems. Yeah this looks really bad! I would be upset aswell - hell of!

So instead of jumping arguments lets short think about steam errors.

Did you try and reinstall steam? Or maybe only the game? Do you have an updated actual Windows Version? (> Windows 7)?

You can try and copy the game folder somewhere else and let steam redownload the game. Check your inet connection also.

All I can say is that steam is a software, and software has errors but it is really rare. I think the bigger problem is windows or your PC hardware when drawing realistic scenarios.

I had more Windows Errors preventing me from playing a game then steam errors. I cant comment further because I cant argument here. some ppl have problems mut most ppl havent. There are millions of steam users. You just have to belive me - a working steam is the normal while an errorenous steam is the rare... Its really not that bad.

I dont know what to say more.. There are no real general problems with steam other than that its an additional software that has pros and cons.

FOr me the biggest pro is that I dont have to use a CD anymore.

Didnt you guys have problems with Operation Flashpoint? I had, and I bught a second DVD Drive to be able to play the game. and after a year the DVD was full of scratches.

Using steam and dont having tio deal with all that media anymore is such a big enormous plus. All these other negative points are just mackulation compared to it. I must say I have a reliable hardware and reliable internet, so the experience might differ - but thats clearly not steams big fault.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

EA and Activision are winners

Where do you find these two companies in this thread?

MadDogX, I have an updated impression: they are on 56.6K and have never played Half-Life 1, nor Half-Life 2 when it came out back in 2004, when Steam was truly a Steam-ing pile of poo. :cc:

I'm out of this thread, not aiming to raise my blood pressure atm. :cc:

[dunedain 48]

unless it will not be released as retail i will not buy, and its my right, and i don't expect that anybody would care! I, as anyone, still can say my opinion!

Arma III will be avaible on retail and numerous digital shops. Steamworks means that you will need Steam installed and running to start and update the game, that's all.

It will be just like Skyrim, Shogun2 TotalWar, Killing Floor, Red Orchestra 2, Serious Sam 3 ect... It's like you guys have been living in a cave past 6 years.

You're entitled to your own opinions. Still it would be good for many of you guys to actually do some research before making a scandal over such trivial matters.

As a big fan since summer 2001, I'm very happy BIS decided to use Steamworks as I do believe this move will benefit both the community and BIS.

Edited February 22, 2013 by dunedain

[jibemorel 10]

Where do you find these two companies in this thread?

They set the standards these days we got the result, steam is not better greed first, good games/services (or not) after.

[tremanarch 6]

last but not least: dont fear the unknown. the human mind is prone to do so. xenofear, racism all these bad things come from here.

Be open minded but critical. be inquisitive but careful!

Good luck!

[cuel 25]

Too right it,

And I all the years I have never had a problem with non-steam ArmA yet all I find steam wants to do is update itself or its games.

Just last week I piked up Rage out of a bargin bin only to find it was steam activated and then precceeded to tell me it was updating @1MBs for 5hrs, WTF!

The least steam could do is tell me how much it wants to down load but it seems to have issues with transparency.

Oh well, like or not, I'll grin and bear it. But no matter how people feel about steam the reasons for the decision are not good.

Or you could click the advanced updating to see how much you have download and how much you need.

[maddogx 13]

Any words about the end user agreement, the non refund policy, intrusive always on client or steam monopolistic tendencies ?

Which parts of the EULA are you talking about, specifically?

Regarding the non-refund policy: have you ever tried returning a retail game after opening the shrink-wrap?

[pathetic_berserker 4]

EA and Activision are winners

Correction, Steam are the winners.

I know I don't have a high opinion of steam, though as far as I know many of the steam issues are also developer related. So if BIS gets its stuff sorted we might all do well out of it.

If they screw it up and the modding community suffers then theres always Star Citizen for me.

Or you could click the advanced updating to see how much you have download and how much you need.

How about finding out how much I have to download before starting it? Whythe need for another screen in a bloated UI?

Anyway these are moot points, delta patching means A3 shouldn't give these sort of problems, and it not like it apppears we have a choice anyway.

Edited February 22, 2013 by Pathetic_Berserker

[jibemorel 10]

last but not least: dont fear the unknown. the human mind is prone to do so. xenofear, racism all these bad things come from here.

Be open minded but critical. be inquisitive but careful!

Good luck!

To be honest i didn't have any problem with steam until yesterday ( because variety and competition are good). Until it come unexpectedly accross my way...

[shadowze 1]

http://www.bistudio.com/english/company/developers-blog/356-arma3-steam-dev-blog

Seriously, what were you thinking when writing this BIS? Threatening us that a game wouldn't be possible without it.

The whole text is bad communication, for real, it feels like a whole load of bs.

That's no way to communicate.

+1, totally agree

Some of us have been supporting BIS since OFP demo days loyally , buying TOH + addons even tho I don't fly it much

just to give them more income , buying DLC that we don't really use just to help them out

Feels like a kick in the nuts to be honest

[Smurf 12]

Whatever. Don't know why I am trying to argue with people that doesn't matter at all to me over a decision that already has been made which the results are far from been seen.

I can only imagine what\how those people will be playing in the next few years. Outsourcing have been a trend for some years (decades!) in all industries sectors and that is what Steam is offering for gamming now. Games are getting more and more expensive and complex to make, devs can't afford to spend time re-doing the wheel when there is a good and ready to go solution for such problems.

If Steam was THAT bad, we wouldn't see so many small\medium studios trying their luck with Greenlight.

The only thing that comes to mind is "hipster",misinformation and lack of flexibility by the part of some.