CM Operation Flashpoint 3 announced | "Oops, they're doing it again..."

[avibird 1 155]

BIS have got an awsome dev team, an awsome CEO, Awsome PR, just everything, is great.

Hey Big ben I am trying to support you on this forum but replays like this is going to get you a target as a troll.

Yes BOHEMIA, is lacking in the PR this is well know but it comes down to dollars for really good PR. BOHEMIA is a small company who puts most of the dollars back into the game. Just think the game sells not all the bull PR that codemasters did and will do again with OFP:RR.

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AVIBIRD I was talking about CM's CEO and their business attitude not about BIS. I support BIS because they take care of their community as best as they can, moreover they care about the games they are developing. I don't support developers who are only out for a quick buck and drop support as soon as the milking is done.

regards

You did not say that in your first statement my bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nettrucker 144]

Maybe I didn't make myself clear in the first sentence but then I referred exclusively to CM

CM's CEO's don't care about their games . . .

In any case BIS could definitely sell more games if they had the possibility and the budget to do some kickass PR ( not missleading as CM's PR team did.)

I never considered Ben as a troll nor do most people on the forum, and I see that he's very well capable to make his points clear on his own without the need of being defended by someone else. But sometimes a bit of support doesn't hurt.:)

kind regards

[rellikki 7]

Removed all the off-topic talk and flaming. No ageism here. Age doesn't matter, as long as the person can behave.

[ben_s 11]

Removed all the off-topic talk and flaming. No ageism here. Age doesn't matter, as long as the person can behave.

Yeah, Thanks, much appreciated. :)

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In any case BIS could definitely sell more games if they had the possibility and the budget to do some kickass PR ( not missleading as CM's PR team did.)

I never considered Ben as a troll nor do most people on the forum, and I see that he's very well capable to make his points clear on his own without the need of being defended by someone else. But sometimes a bit of support doesn't hurt.:)

kind regards

Yeah, BIS could sell alot more if they had CM's budget.

CodeMasters main problems are:

They do not entrust the dev teams with money and/or engine. And are limited to what they have/can do. This is where companies like BIS excell, their own engine, they fix any bugs they can find, etc etc

They seem to spend more time/money/care on selling their game rather than actually making it good, i.e. marketing/PR

They've got some of the worst Dev-Community communication ive seen, the devs need to be more involved with the community. As well here, BIS are pretty good at this, too. Even BIS' CEO posts here about what they're doing. The highest you will see in CM forums is Community Liason and their community manager (Helios)

[nettrucker 144]

Yeah I know. I was reading a lot on CM forum before and after DR was released. I never signed up though. In any case, what I was hoping for at that time, was to get an alternative wargame to play, even better than the BIS series, but it turned out soon, that it wouldn't even match the original which I loved. And now it seems that even RR is stripped of everything which made the original one so great, all the freedom you had. That was the most disappointing thing for me. Now that some info on RR has been revealed, has shown me that RR is going into a different kind of direction still more far away of what I was hoping for.

Honestly the most disappointing aspect of all was the business attitude of CM. They dropped support immediately which states clearly one thing to me. Quick buck and profit was priority everything else was just not important.

That's why I'm sticking to BIS.

kind regards

[lexx40 10]

does anyone know how to set up or have a profile for opf x52?

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meant OFP

[Zipper5 74]

Uh... You mean for the original OFP, or the wannabes Dragon Rising and Red River (which isn't released yet)?

If it's for the original OFP then you should ask in these forums. If it's for the other two then you're in the wrong place. ;)

[Yingyang 10]

Which game has the best AI mods, ArmA or Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising?

[maddogx 13]

Which game has the best AI mods, ArmA or Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising?

If you're expecting an unbiased answer, you've come to the wrong place, my friend. ;)

Anyway, as pretty much anyone here will tell you: Arma2. Not much out there that can beat Zeus AI.

[Yingyang 10]

Not much out there that can beat Zeus AI.

Would you know where I can find some gameplay footage of the Zeus AI in action so I can compare it to the Dragon Rising AI mods videos posted on youtube. I want to buy a realistic infantry sim so I want to evaluate before I buy.

[VanhA-ICON 11]

Guys, I got a PM whether I'd like to upload my mission to a site called Strategy Informer.

Cool, I thought first... why not. Then after checking the site (which was very wide-ranged with games) I was a bit angry at a couple of issues:

1. ArmA 2 was categorized under "Shooter" section and guess where the DR was? You guessed right, "Simulation"

2. There was also a section for "Cheats"

God how depressing...

[maddogx 13]

Would you know where I can find some gameplay footage of the Zeus AI in action so I can compare it to the Dragon Rising AI mods videos posted on youtube. I want to buy a realistic infantry sim so I want to evaluate before I buy.

I think you can just search for Zeus AI on YouTube. It should return a few results. Otherwise check the Zeus AI thread in the the Addons and Mods forum section.

Anyway, if you're looking for an infantry sim, the question is easily answered:

Arma2 is a simulator. Dragon Rising is a tactical shooter.

;)

[Inkompetent 0]

1. ArmA 2 was categorized under "Shooter" section and guess where the DR was? You guessed right, "Simulation"

Strategy-Informer doesn't seem very informed! :D

[maddogx 13]

Strategy-Informer doesn't seem very informed! :D

Indeed. Their review of Arma2 / OA was also a pile of crap.

[Yingyang 10]

I think you can just search for Zeus AI on YouTube.

OK I found several Youtube videos featuring the Zeus mod and am most unimpressed. I don't see how you can argue that the dumb AI in those videos is better than the AI in Templars Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising mods.

I'm looking for AI that models real-life behaviour and ArmA clearly falls very short of the mark, I mean c'mon the Zeus AI were just standing still with no reaction while the AI standing beside them were being shot to peices. Very lame.

Judging by the videos posted on Youtube the Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising mods are more of a simulation than a game and that is exactly what I am looking for.

Anyway thanks for your help and good luck with your game. Cheers.

[ProfTournesol 956]

OK I found several Youtube videos featuring the Zeus mod and am most unimpressed. I don't see how you can argue that the dumb AI in those videos is better than the AI in Templars Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising mods.

I'm looking for AI that models real-life behaviour and ArmA clearly falls very short of the mark, I mean c'mon the Zeus AI were just standing still with no reaction while the AI standing beside them were being shot to peices. Very lame.

Judging by the videos posted on Youtube the Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising mods are more of a simulation than a game and that is exactly what I am looking for.

Anyway thanks for your help and good luck with your game. Cheers.

Haha i had a good laugh with this one :rolleyes:

[max power 21]

OK I found several Youtube videos featuring the Zeus mod and am most unimpressed. I don't see how you can argue that the dumb AI in those videos is better than the AI in Templars Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising mods.

I'm looking for AI that models real-life behaviour and ArmA clearly falls very short of the mark, I mean c'mon the Zeus AI were just standing still with no reaction while the AI standing beside them were being shot to peices. Very lame.

Judging by the videos posted on Youtube the Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising mods are more of a simulation than a game and that is exactly what I am looking for.

Anyway thanks for your help and good luck with your game. Cheers.

Suit yourself.

[VanhA-ICON 11]

Haha, I always purchase my games also after youtubing... NOT.

At least he can't say he was not warned.... or then he is Templars little brother or something..

[maddogx 13]

Haha, I always purchase my games also after youtubing... NOT.

At least he can't say he was not warned.... or then he is Templars little brother or something..

Or just Templar himself... again. (See this post by Placebo.)

[Yingyang 10]

Or just Templar himself... again. (See this post by Placebo.)

Sorry to dissapoint you but I'm not Templar, however if you want to prove that the Zeus AI is more challenging than Templars AI feel free to post a link to a video to prove it.

Actually lets go one better.

How about I install Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising, install Templars mods and post some videos right here on this thread, you can post some Zues videos, and we can compare the AI. Are you in?

[maddogx 13]

Sorry to dissapoint you but I'm not Templar, however if you want to prove that the Zeus AI is more challenging than Templars AI feel free to post a link to a video to prove it.

Actually lets go one better.

How about I install Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising, install Templars mods and post some videos right here on this thread, you can post some Zues videos, and we can compare the AI. Are you in?

I have nothing to prove to you, and see no point in wasting my time trying. In any case, I mostly play large scale (70+ players) combined arms PvP with no AI. Perhaps you could post some vids of that in DR. Oh wait...

[[frl]myke 14]

I have nothing to prove to you, and see no point in wasting my time trying. In any case, I mostly play large scale (70+ players) combined arms PvP with no AI. Perhaps you could post some vids of that in DR. Oh wait...

Or piloting planes...community made units/vehicles/islands...ambient life (civilians/animals)....you know, just things that make a game interesting...

[Yingyang 10]

I have nothing to prove to you, and see no point in wasting my time trying

Predictable answer. Templar has already proven that his AI mods cannot be matched by ArmA but at least you guys tried.

[maddogx 13]

Predictable answer. Templar has already proven that his AI mods cannot be matched by ArmA but at least you guys tried.

Well, have fun with DR then. Bye.

[Zipper5 74]

Someone's just registered here to come and shoot down Arma 2's AI in favor of Templar's DR mods. :rolleyes:

So what's your point? DR has better AI now that a guy, not being paid, has "fixed" them? Tell me - can they recognize roads on Skira now? Or do they still drive wherever the hell they want?

Stick your "Templar's modz r bettah" up your ass. They're impressive, especially given the "source material" :rolleyes: he had, but they're not comparable to Arma 2 in terms of what they can do. He may have perfected the infantry AI for DR, but every other aspect of it is still horrible.