Six updater, ruining everything.

[mosh 0]

I have to admit the updater was hard for me to figure out at first. But I figured it out... and use it every day since then.

To be honest, sickboy probably could have made it just one big button that says UPDATE, and some people would still have issues using it. Not everyone will be happy no matter how ACE 2 is distributed.

But since it's all free, and involves no blood and sweat on our part (the users), what the fuck are you all crying about? Don't use it if it's too complicated. :rolleyes:

I'm a 37 year old concrete worker, so the 'I am not a tech guy' or 'I am too old to figure this out' excuses I keep reading make me laugh.

/rant :)

[neokika 62]

lol, I took 5 minutes to set up Six-Updater, and now everytime I want to update addons/mods, I just open six updater and click execute, and it does everything by him self... You dont have 5min to learn how to use it, or you dont want to learn? There are even videos tutorials....and of course, this thread is useless in every way.

Our ability to understand and learn is what make us intelligent beings.

_neo_

[Master gamawa 0]

Ι've stated my case and I don't think i am bashing anyone anyway... But I see many people still saying they have problems most of the times a downloader/updater is used.

That's a fact. Now, as in most similar cases, the fault can be found in both the user and the creator. The user may be clueless, lazy or dislike change in general. Then again the creator must take those comments into account. "What makes SOME people dislike my updater?"

this thread is far from useless. It shows what people want. What they feel comfortable doing on their computers.

Hey I got a nice video for you.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/david_pogue_says_simplicity_sells.html

Just watch it.

Once again I am not bashing anyone else than my self. I appreciate the effort and the time those dudes spend to create amazing stuff.

[Grizzle 0]

I don't think all complaints are about being confused or not knowing how to use the tools, there are just as many who find it unnecessary and prefer to handle getting and installing mods themselves. I am one of them. I am very technically proficient (being a developer myself), but I prefer to not have to use these tools to get mods and I have various reasons for feeling this way (one of them being -having to spend an hour yesterday trying to get one of these tools to download a mod update when it would have taken me all of 5 minutes had there been a simple link to the files - and no it wasn't that I was doing anything wrong it was that the game server's meant to provide the info needed to get this mod had issues.)

If the modders want to continue to push these tools then more power to them, but they shouldn't be surprised or offended when some people complain.

[713th FireBird 10]

Six updater is one of the best tools ever created for mods/addons, you spend 5 minutes setting it up the first time and save a life time.

[Simon C 0]

Please note that the OP was clearly living up to his name of 'Fintroll' when he posted this, as he's not replied to this thread since December 27th, and all everyone is doing is feeding the troll. :)

[maturin 12]

Why bash a mod that no one's making you use?

I was happy the first time i didn't hear MAN TO OUR FRONT CLOSE scream out of my speakers. If you would have red the ace page prior to downloading it you wouldn't complain about things written in it.

And why bash here and not in the ACE or SixUpdater treads!?

If I had read which page? There were at least half a dozen and none of them appeared to be organized in any understandable way. I had to hunt just for the download links. There are also multiple instruction videos, one of which had many more steps. I am used to opening readmes contained in .rar files, as are most people, I believe. Or since this mod doesn't download a packed file, perhaps a .txt (or several .txts in a folder) extracted to your desktop with the basics and everything else as well.

SixUpdater is great and I can't imagine the mess people would have with rapid updates for a mod like this if it wasn't used. But the documentation causes a fuss that can be avoided without tampering with the program itself, and I think this is the sort of criticism the developers should get if they are interesting in improving. (I don't know that they are- maybe they figure this works well enough.)

[[aps]gnat 28]

Well, I for one am just using it to report my issue, mainly in the hope others might know the solution.

The "Bug Tracker" is a less frequented web site (especially by people who have it WORKING), so this Thread seems to be one of the few places to post the normal everyday feedback, good or otherwise, further afield help, hopes and/or wishlists.

No different from any other community release that has a Thread here somewhere!

[markushaze 10]

Hello.

well after reading the thread i come to one conclusion:

Everybody on here is right in some part. One thing hasent been talked about....

In case you haven't noticed:

ITS BETA!

you guys (should i say whiners?) do know what BETA means right?

To explain. it means the product is NOT finished, and is still being worked on full force, meaning features can be added or removed, GUIs changed, functionality enhanced or reduced.

That said, you are all free to skip the beta phase of six-updater and ACE.

ACE will come in final version, maybe even in the simple old download method by rar.

Nobody is forcing you to beta test and help or "hassle with the install method".

Six-updater will get a sleek user interface making it a breeze to use.

Just right now? everything is being tested and YOU are the testers.

Please stop complaining.

Instead, help find bugs, and post your findings on devheaven (Bugtracker).

The more we do so, the better the final product will be:-)

Using this thread to post ideas, and problems is a good idea, just please stop whining!

(remember ITS BETA:-)

Edited January 16, 2010 by markushaze

[Simon C 0]

I'll quote myself, to repeat my previous message:

Please note that the OP was clearly living up to his name of 'Fintroll' when he posted this, as he's not replied to this thread since December 27th, and all everyone is doing is feeding the troll. :)

No point in this thread being open, really none at all.

[[aps]gnat 28]

Very nice to quote yourself again Simon, but can you point me in the direction of the alternate "Discuss the Six-Updater here" thread then ? ! ?

[Simon C 0]

Here is where most people generally talk about it and find fixes to issues, etc. :)

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

That's 200 pages though. A stand alone thread for the updater is needed.

[wildone_106 10]

I did not know they had a schedule like that, again I wish it would be made clear whats going on. I had the same troubles getting it working and understanding how it works, but it is very cool given the alternative

Run it in Console mode, it skips that part.

ACE releases a new version every Mon, Wed, and Fri, so if you don't have the same version as the server, it will constantly let you know with very annoying ding sounds, and messages. So you need to use the updater to play online.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

An update. Since the latest standalone release they have scaled back their schedule from the above to Monday and Friday.

[chortles 263]

Was it ever explained how to overcome the "no shortcuts/program group created, no executable" issue? I had this with both 0.83 and the just-installed 0.9...: confused:

[sickboy 13]

People don't know because people don't read. Not because we don't put the info out there.

http://ace.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Download

http://ace.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Update_Schedule

What's going on is on the right side, "News" section visible.

@ Chortles: Not sure what it means.

If you mean the updater can't create a shortcut due to the amount of mods you use, this is a Windows issue, and can only be worked around by using the Six Updater (or any other) launcher to start the game.

In any case, support is over at; http://six.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Six_Updater_Suite+bug_reporting

Edited April 6, 2010 by Sickboy

[krazikilla 5]

six updater is very very nice. its actually easier to keep ACE updated then on normal way.

Once u made the settings (just once, and done in 2minutes)

You just press GUI updater Console, and everything is done on its own.

[icebreakr 3159]

Well, in my team we don't use this tool. Actually we really don't like to play support for the rookies and even more experienced players who can't figure out the use. Even with wikis or videos its too much fuss :)

Therefor we pack ACE2 latest version to tar archives (1.4-1.6gb) even couple of weeks or so for our team to pick it off our servers. So we have all required addons for the event stored at one place only.

[chortles 263]

@ Chortles: Not sure what it means.

If you mean the updater can't create a shortcut due to the amount of mods you use, this is a Windows issue, and can only be worked around by using the Six Updater (or any other) launcher to start the game.

I mean that after I installed Six Updater Suite, there was no new program group with shortcuts in my Start Menu, no "Six Updater - GUI" shortcut on the desktop. I've seen the "how to use" video, and it's not even getting as far as step 1 on my end; I didn't see any existing ticket resembling my issue. This happened with both v0.83 and the just-installed v0.9.10 from Dev-Heaven.

[sickboy 13]

@IceBreakr; last time you checked? 3-5 months ago? :D Basically, the whole software is exactly created for that: Effortless synchronization of mods to the latest version, also available on your server.

@Chortles; sounds like it's time for a ticket then :) http://six.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Six_Updater_Suite+Bug_Reporting

Added a FAQ item, on how to create the shortcut yourself: http://six.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Six_Updater_Suite+FAQ#Installer%20creates%20no%20shortcuts

Edited April 6, 2010 by Sickboy

[SnR 1]

Works a treat here, our servers update with SUpdater then we update Yomas from the server for the members :)

[chortles 263]

@Chortles; sounds like it's time for a ticket then :) http://six.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Six_Updater_Suite+Bug_Reporting

Added a FAQ item, on how to create the shortcut yourself: http://six.dev-heaven.net/wagn/Six_Updater_Suite+FAQ#Installer%20creates%20no%20shortcuts

Seems that the "how to create a shortcut yourself" did the trick for actually using it -- though the bug still applies -- but unfortunately right now both through the client and through a regular browser, the URL to the link mentioned on the FAQ didn't work the first time I ran the program; I believe I kept getting an "unable to connect" kind of error in my browser ("couldn't establish a connection to the server at" the URL), while a second program -- the one that mentions Gslist 0.8.8b and Six Updater Web GUI v0.9.13 -- opens up for a bit. Is that supposed to happen only once? I suppose that I have to open the Updater GUI/let that load, then let the other program load, run, and close itself, then keep the Updater GUI program open until my downloads are complete, then log out from the browser and close the GUI program?

Sorry for all the possibly easy questions, just a first-time user who only NOW got as far for it to make it past step 1 of the instructional video.

P.S. Can I install v0.9.11 over v0.9.10, or would I have to uninstall, reinstall, and then go through the whole process again? Particularly downloading all the stuff when running Six Updater for the first time.

Edited April 13, 2010 by Chortles

[Franklin 0]

Ill agree that I was a bit frustrated at the start, but one of my friends helped me sort it out. Once you get it installed you look back and think, "Holy hell... that's it? That was easy..." Once you get it setup and see just how simple it is, you'll love the Six Updater.

[Kristian 47]

Ill agree that I was a bit frustrated at the start, but one of my friends helped me sort it out. Once you get it installed you look back and think, "Holy hell... that's it? That was easy..." Once you get it setup and see just how simple it is, you'll love the Six Updater.

This is exactly what hapenned to me. Its an awesome tool in the end, only needs now proper GUI and it'll be perfect :)