what we have to do peace in world

[froggyluv 2136]

Labeling ("that's offensive/racist/nazist/heresy/unamerican!") is the oldest trick in the book to dismiss a statement that doesn't fit your point of view even if it is true

I don't argue in those terms lightly. The fact is the statement you made

Living in a society where physically and mentally weak individuals thrive just as well as stronger ones has halted our evolution as a species

is one of the pillars of reasoning for the Nazi's seeking to purify mankind to build and evolve into supermans. You can believe it all you want and I can find it repulsive just the same.

Civilization made humanity a species that no longer followed the natural way of survival of the fittest within the species

There is no scientific proof to back this. People live longer now than any time in history. What exactly are you arguing here as you are speaking in vagaries? Please be specific in exactly how evolution has stopped in favor of society.

[jakerod 254]

Homo sapiens sapiens has spread across the globe and increased vastly in numbers over the past 50,000 years or so—from an estimated five million in 9000 B.C. to roughly 6.5 billion today. More people means more opportunity for mutations to creep into the basic human genome and new research confirms that in the past 10,000 years a host of changes to everything from digestion to bones has been taking place.

Culture Speeds Up Human Evolution

This has kind of gone offtopic now.

[celery 8]

I don't argue in those terms lightly. The fact is the statement you made

Then it's funny that you find science offensive and nazist.

is one of the pillars of reasoning for the Nazi's seeking to purify mankind to build and evolve into supermans. You can believe it all you want and I can find it repulsive just the same.

Again you use the nazi fallacy. Hitler also liked dogs and he didn't smoke or drink, so those traits must be repulsive as well. The fact that society allows individuals who wouldn't survive in "the wild" to thrive in modern times is, well, a fact. What you do with that fact is another thing but as a logical conclusion it shouldn't offend anyone. I think it's good that we have such a society because I think everyone should have a chance to live a good life regardless of what stats you rolled at birth.

There is no scientific proof to back this. People live longer now than any time in history. What exactly are you arguing here as you are speaking in vagaries?

People live longer on average in well-off countries because they have healthy food, there are very few physical dangers and the society looks after them when they're old. You only have to look at the longevity stats of less developed countries to see that it's not genetic (unless you believe that human genes are that different from area to area).

Please be specific in exactly how evolution has stopped in favor of society.

It's simple mathematics that a small ratio of strong individuals in a gene pool equals a small ratio of strong offspring. Mankind consists of all individual living humans and a big share of those individuals don't have the brain or muscle power to be on par with our prehistoric ancestors.

[froggyluv 2136]

Then it's funny that you find science offensive and nazist

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Science didn't make the statement that the less physically or mentally abled have halted evolution -you did. The fact is evolution continues to this very day,with new changes effecting mostly those that left the sub-saharan areas and had to adapt. I can cite various references for you if you still don't believe me.

Again you use the nazi fallacy. Hitler also liked dogs and he didn't smoke or drink, so those traits must be repulsive as well.

Ridiculous. I am vegetarian as was Hitler, yet that is a triviality. You should be able to tell the difference...

People live longer on average in well-off countries because they have healthy food, there are very few physical dangers and the society looks after them when they're old. You only have to look at the longevity stats of less developed countries to see that it's not genetic (unless you believe that human genes are that different from area to area).

Not the whole truth. The disease Sickle Cell Anemia which is prevalent in poor, underdeveloped nations is believed to be a genetic adaption (read:evolution) to counter Maleria from getting into the bloodstream.

It's simple mathematics that a small ratio of strong individuals in a gene pool equals a small ratio of strong offspring

Partial truth. In early times when a tribe was consisting of a small family unit, no matter how stong their genes, if they kept reproducing with themselves leads to genetic defects -hence the need for an evolved state of peace to seek out suitable mating partners.

Mankind consists of all individual living humans and a big share of those individuals don't have the brain or muscle power to be on par with our prehistoric ancestors

Prehistoric men were adapting to the demands of their extremely harsh environments -yet they would be ill-equiped to thrive in our world today. If your contention was true, then those that never left that lifestyle -sub-saharan african tribes etc... would be the world's most evolved beings. Adaptions are still being made today to suit our current day challenges.

[Scrub 0]

Thank you gentlemen (if I'm wrong, I apologize), you are providing some insight to the threads dilemma with your opposing viewpoints. :p Now where will the war be?:popcornsmilie:

BTW: just want to say how funny and twisted Vilas is. It was the US amongst others that first stopped him from having to say 'Sieg Heil' and goose stepping, using armed force. Then later it was the US that militarily outspent the USSR to crack the iron curtain and allow political/social reforms so he now actually has internet and can freely speak his mind without getting thrown in a gulag or 're-educated' as a dissident. How forgetful of our current blessings.

I wish people remembered there is a huge difference between intelligence (IQ) and wisdom.

[metsapeikkoo 10]

Wasn't that Hitler's dream as well?

Thats pretty offensive Celery. My best friend is quadripalegic and is thriving due to his persistence to not let his disability drag him down. I would argue that men like Stephen Hawkings add more to our evolution with their brilliant minds than 1000 pop cultured but god-like physical specimens that live their self-indulgent lives, contributing nothing to mankind but their brawn and looks.

First I thought about answering to Froggyluv's posts but then I just decided to forget about it after reading the first sentence of that post.

[froggyluv 2136]

First I thought about answering to Froggyluv's posts but then I just decided to forget about it after reading the first sentence of that post.

LOL, yet you must have missed this stipulation concerning Godwin's Law

The corollaries of the law would presumably not apply to discussions covering genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi Germany, or, more debatably, to discussion of other totalitarian regimes, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances is understandable.

...to reiterate, the stating that evolution is being halted by those less perfect in society, fits that bill of false information used by the Nazi regime to a tee.

The fact is that evolution is not halted by these claims and to state otherwise is to promote falsehood and ignorance.

[jakerod 254]

Thank you gentlemen (if I'm wrong, I apologize), you are providing some insight to the threads dilemma with your opposing viewpoints. :p Now where will the war be?:popcornsmilie:

BTW: just want to say how funny and twisted Vilas is. It was the US amongst others that first stopped him from having to say 'Sieg Heil' and goose stepping, using armed force. Then later it was the US that militarily outspent the USSR to crack the iron curtain and allow political/social reforms so he now actually has internet and can freely speak his mind without getting thrown in a gulag or 're-educated' as a dissident. How forgetful of our current blessings.

I wish people remembered there is a huge difference between intelligence (IQ) and wisdom.

You're right there is a conflict between their two viewpoints but I have yet to see either of them attack one another which further provides proof that peace is possible.

You say that Vilas can freely speak his mind, yet you mock him for doing so. Just because the US allegedly stopped the Soviet Union and allegedly made his life better doesn't mean he can't criticize the state of world or that of the US.

First I thought about answering to Froggyluv's posts but then I just decided to forget about it after reading the first sentence of that post.

That's funny because I was about to post a link to Godwin's Law until I realized that what he said had significance behind it. See his post below yours.

So I am going to continue on with my theory that people can choose their actions and thus choose to not act violently towards one another.

[Colt45_GTO 10]

So I am going to continue on with my theory that people can choose their actions and thus choose to not act violently towards one another.

this makes me wanna just beat your effin brains out!

:lol:

j/k mate lol

[Scrub 0]

You're right there is a conflict between their two viewpoints but I have yet to see either of them attack one another which further provides proof that peace is possible.

You say that Vilas can freely speak his mind, yet you mock him for doing so. Just because the US allegedly stopped the Soviet Union and allegedly made his life better doesn't mean he can't criticize the state of world or that of the US.

Peace is truly possible, I don't think that is in question, is it probable though? Maybe the pointed question is the probability of LASTING peace?

Vilas is free to say what he thinks, and so am I. We are exercising what freedoms we have, and do not have to agree.

The only differences are:

1- That I understand and value where those freedoms come from, he doesnt (seem to).

2- The main result of any discussion, friendly or hostile, is that we grow and learn more about the truth of the topic and participants in that discussion. That is happening as well, at least on my side.

I did not tell him to 'shut up', just get the facts (truth) straight and give up the illusion/propaganda/whatever he's saying. :)

Edited December 16, 2009 by Scrub

[vilas 477]

Scrub you don't understand one thing, but i told it few times and i am surprise that you not noticed, so i will repeat myself :

- soldier A kill soldier B because soldier B murder civilians - GOOD

- soldier A kill soldier B which defends oil resources of his country - BAD

- soldier killing/dying for "just cause" GOOD

- soldier killing/dying for money BAD

- killing for just cause as "defending own country withing it's borders" GOOD

- killing people 10 000 miles away from your border BAD

today on English lesson (in job) we talked about "national stereotypes" we had listening :

what said american "we are materialists, we live to work, the more means the better"

and this why you not understand

for us "non materialistic" reasons are more important

"moral" reasons over "benefits" , thats why i think:

- killing pedophile, rapist, robber - good

- killing people that defend own country withing it's borders , that you call "terrorists" "guerilla" "viet kong" - bad

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq - oil countries, now Iran is "evil" "next target" ? cause have more oil ? cause build army to defend own oil ?

when Muslim woman is stoned to death in pro-US arab country you not see it, when stoned to death in Iran you say about "human rights protection" ???

you want "protect human rights" in countries that have oil, not care when ten times worse things happen in countries who not have oil or... buy Bradleys, M4, M113, F16... etc.

while you had racist segregation even during Korean and Vietnam wars yourself

when they buy AKM and T72 they are "evil unhuman", when they buy M16, M113 "they have religion tradition but beauty architecture to travel and see"

when pro-US, in past anti-USSR dictators made crimes in Latin America... nothing ???

or CIA was cooperating with them ?

thats why we think - when in Rwanda/Uganda/Sahrani/Chernarus... bad government kill innocent - he must be stoped

as Hitler was killing in death-camps

i think soldiers from Iraq should be moved to Africa, where real genocide appear

Hitler was mass murderer, Iraq has oil... and you have 6 litters pickup instead of 1 litter VW Polo

i am grateful for US for WW2, yes, but some years after, you started to will to rule world and i causes problem and hate of many people in world, you are 4% of world population, not 96%

i would be grateful if US CIA would kill "evil leaders killing civilians", but i feel hate, when people suffer cause their country have oil and buy AK, T-72 not M16 and M1, and "he not buy from us, he is enemy"

for you "money" is over "another human", for me it is evil, to love money, for me it is good to love human

but not because "our economy depends of their oil resources"

just like with "police job"

when man rob old woman and was killed by police - good

when man lived in country XYZ and US bomb killed him - bad

you wanna equalize Iraq and WW2 wars ???

war for oil is not war for freedom and humankind

and in regard of my so called un/non-thankfulness , you say i live better ...

i made in other topic comparison communism/new country, what appeared in "new" country:

- unemployment, very hard work instead of slower and comfortable

- homeless people, poverty

- gangs, criminals, violence on street

- you must buy (i cannot afford) house, you don't get it for free from state

in my city 40 sqare meters flat cost 100 000 euro, i earn 500 , noone will give me "credit" in bank , cause i don't have "guarantee" i can buy flat how the f*** ????

this is your "freedom" - people without chance for flat, my children won't get free medical care, free university - for all we have to pay, what we had for free

my parents not payed for their studies, hospitalization if there was accident, flats

if you were poor or from poor family (orphan, halforphan) state was helping, now not

over 1 milion Poles emigrated for job, we had in 2002-2003 over 20% unemployment and people earning 200-300 Euro

you say i must be thankful for freedom ? freedom to be poor ???

you don't live here, you not see people who worked all life and now have 200 Euro retirement pension and have no money to pay for flat and to buy medicines :(

you don't have money for this, for that etc.

i care about others, even though i earn not as bad as 50% of people

good material situation have many 10% Poles, "average salary" officially is 600-700 EU

but "mediana" is 300-400

we have small group that have milions and majority of poor people

and thats why "average" is big

when you will take 10 people ; 8 earn 50, 1 earn 100 and 1 earn 500 , average is 8*50+100+500/10= 1000/10= 100

how this 100 is to 50 ?

"official" data about Poland not say about "median"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

you wanna know what my parents remember from "USSR" time ?

streets free of hooligans, you could walk at evening, almost no robbers, gangs

you wanna know what is now ? in my neighborhood a lot of 13-18 years old boys in hood, all go to body building, taking amphetamine, steroids , very strong, very dangerous

maybe i live in big city and it differs from village, but believe me , previously all was under control and thats because we had safety and from my point of view it was better, cause i had no need to carry any weapon if i would live 30 years ago

there was also better control "where got it from"

now a lot of bandits who not work, have super cars, a lot money - noone check , where the hell guy who not works have Porshe Cayene :( i know some 20 years old "bad boys" driving Lexus, Cayene, Audi TT, BMW etc.

noone cares now , they steal, rob, drugs etc. and noone check where the hell he has money, while other people not have money to buy new shoes/jacket/medicine/flat etc.

about your "making my life better" :/

i don't want "your freedom" , i want control and high punishment for criminals, i want be sure that i will get flat, i want my children to have chance for life (education etc.)

i don't want "third world" 1% very very rich 4% middle class 95 % poor

in front of my block of flat and neighboring stand some cars , but in fact there is one or two families which have 3 cars, while 20 others have no car at all

i was very young when communism fallen, i had 12 years back than, but i remember (i am from poor family, father died, only mother worked ) that i was going to free holidays every year

when "capitalism appeared" we lost chance to get flat , i had no holidays, etc.

it is not "black and white" , simply one problems turned to others

things that were easy back than now are problems and vice versa

my mother which was in Solidarity said they fought for "better social state", not for "capitalism"

many people from my family were in Solidarity and fought for "more social, more comfort", not for "harder"

my uncle was worker of ship plant Stocznia Gdanska where Lech Walesa appeared and now old Solidarity members treat him (Walesa) as traitor

they fought for "more social", not for "pay for all, unemployment and poverty"

Polish mentality comes from church ideas and what John Pole 2 told "meter of humanity is how you treat weak and poor"

in America "poor is lazy, not want work, drunkard, while opposite rich is good" , for us "rich - he must be thief, gangsta, bitch or politician or corrupted lawyer" , cause in 90's mostly those "people" get rich

as my parents came from "catholic values" and trade union Solidarity - they were against capitalism, unemployment, homeless, poverty

my heart cry when i see people looking for something in trash can in street, they were workers, their plants were liquidated, now simple t-shirt, screwdriver... all is "made in China"

now we don't have 20% unemployment, but i still remember some people from my neighborhood who committed suicide for economical reasons :( in my block of flats - 2 people, one woman and one old lady

this woman lost husband in car accident , herself had no money to pay for all :(

in my block i have also drug dealer, he has... 3 cars

Edited December 16, 2009 by vilas

[Colt45_GTO 10]

well put vilas and a deeply truthful post.

not many understand any of this but once they read it i'm sure they will get the bigger picture.

some might even argue that you are amplifying what is real? but those who do simply are to ignorant to what is real and what is fauls. alot of people outside of poverty stricken countries live a fauls lifestyle.

they buy things beyond thier means, cars, houses, watches and TV's just to be one up on everyone els.

its this oneupmanship that causes alot of problems in the world.

no one outside of communist USSR ever understood the communist rule. and if the outside countries (super powers) hadn't of intravined i'm sure you vilas would be living the lifestyle your family grew acustom too.

i think one of the main reasons the outside superpowers intravined was simply to help protect the boardering countries that were constantly being attacked over religious beliefs.

lets face it the USSR wasn't exactly a peaceful nation constantly attacking and killing innocents that wanted a different way of life.

would you still want that now vilas?

please understand its how we the outsiders heard it via our governments and media.

if any of what i said is way wrong, feel free to correct me.

[vilas 477]

please understand its how we the outsiders heard it via our governments and media.

i know it

media in cold war (movies, kid-series aka McGyver, movies like James Bond, Rambo etc. ) shaped what you know about "our life in past"

there were no movies like "we beat negers, we have people dying on streets and homeless, they get free flats, work 8 hours, go to holidays and no robbers/gangs cause Militia control all (you call it "regime", some of us call it "safety")

we had many good things, of course we were "poor" when you compare number of cars/TV etc.

but all costs, so... if you have free flat, free university - it takes resources from other branches

also our countries were very destroyed in WW2, you had to rebuilt nothing or X percent of buildings, while in some of our cities we had 25-50% damages, so it was using resources

you canot have anything , cause like in addons : time spent on config - less time for model, time spent on model, less for texture :) time spent with girl - less for friends from block, time with friends - less for family

Edited December 16, 2009 by vilas

[Colt45_GTO 10]

oh i forgot to ask....

vilas.....are there any poles left over there? i thought they all moved here to take our jobs for a pittance? now we have to go work for a pittance because the companies can employ poles for much less so why pay more!

haha damn right i have something against it! i'm a multi skilled mechanic, body repair, paint sprayer. also a very good machine driver (construction) and because now i refuse to take jobs for minimum wage i can't claim any government funds.

you say you live in a poor country? i'm not quite sure!

the (gangsters) driving the porches around....its money sent by a pole working in this country that paid for that. so what you need is to come live in the free country... there are no violent gangs around, the justice system is corrupt to the immegrant side. and you will get £300 a week+child benefits+clothing benefits+car+fully furnished house for free!

remember the UK as the biggest santa in the world all year round (unless your english).

Edited December 16, 2009 by Colt45_GTO

[mr.g-c 6]

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[vilas 477]

answering to your question ( i learn, heheh, spoiler :D ) to not mess 100 lines :D

Poles that left PL are 2 (opposite) groups:

1) well educated , free, ambitious , "przebojowi" (fast moving to get effect and aimed at good effect) - they said to themself "f*** country where priest rule, f*** country where corruption level took away all joy, f** country that gives no chance for life better than grey existance"

2) those who not know foreign languages, who were too weak to get job here, and those you see pissing on your streets, which not know english language

people from group 2 - no need to discuss, there they were "useless" for our "employers" "owners" etc.

you have also "made in China" products and closed factories/plants

people from group 1 - if you finish university, you know 2 foreign languages and ... you cannot get job better than McDonald cause all is "relations" "you must know someone there to get job" "you must have family there to get job"

if not my girl i would be in group 1, but i had than strong relations and it took me in PL from one side, from other side - i respect UK and i don't want take your job and make pressure on your incomes

i will tell you about me, i graduated in 2002, i knew 2 languages (Rus, Eng), i begun than to learn German as third , i knew computers AutoCad, i was MSC with best marks on studies etc .

and... noone wanted me, cause i had no "relations" in some companies

while my colleagues were drinking with son of one director from Toyota Poland i was hard learning

as a result their "drinking together with his son" gave them job, i had no "drinking relations" but "best marks" ... hopefully than i was full of ideas "to help and serve" and went to police dept.

later i changed my mind :)

they say here "its not important WHAT you know, it is important WHO you know"

but look - 2 languages, finished studies = here gives you nothing

my friends that are not educated , earn MORE than those educated

specialists, engineers, we call them "brain workers" earn 50% less than guy who repair car, lift, paint walls etc.

from my point of view, if i finished technical university i should have job that allows me to have my own flat not.. anger

it pisses off those young Poles, when you finished studies, studied hard - you want get more for it , here... you will get less in bureau/office than in some shops or workshops

how many Poles left ?

37 or 38 milions, old retired, lazy, family connected that won't move, children, those who have better job, cowards that afraid of anything new aka. conservatism ? , people who are too old, people who not care about money but "here" called Patriotic ...

in Polish society active working people ratio is 44% of society according to official data in 2005

if i was in your shoes - i would not like emigration for sure, cause those emigrants take away your money, you must try harder (no normal human like it, only workaholics), you spent more in work instead girl/friends... i know problem and belive me , probably only some percent would leave PL if they not had to

but if over 1 milion leave PL (5% of society) than it becomes "national problem" that 5% of man leaves :( it means "here is bad", cause father who have children search for job and... not founds

in my city to hire flat (single room flat, 20-25 square metters flat) is 1200 PLN = 300 EUro, while you earn... 500 ?

when you hire flat , you pay for telephone and etc. you have ... to eat bread only :/ no holidays, no enjoy of life, grey work "to live",

problem for group 1 is "educated earn less than house painter, plumber", people with MSc have problems, people after doctorisation (Doctor degree) have problems...

in scientific laboratory they earn less than guy who put brick on brick,

i know 3 girls with doctor degree - 2 chemician work in laboratory for 1700 PLN to hand (350 EU), 1 work as teacher earning more 2600 (650 EU)

i know some low educated, zero foreign languages guys who only drunk and body building... while we studied and learned equations, physics, math, languages, law, chemistry, metallurgy, engines theory... they earn 2500 washing cars, 3200 painting houses, 2350 as warehouse worker, one on fork lift 2650

cause when those "workers" left country to UK, their salary raised here over 50% (cause owners had no workers to work for less than cost of life)

previously they had 1500 (compare it to 1200 to rent/hire a flat !!!)

thats why many live with parents (flat from comunism), or rent a ROOM, not flat, some people live renting flat from someone for 700 PLN , cause in my city emigration from whole country villages, towns (looking for job) is now 30 or more people here

but you know... when all is "made in China" who need engineers , workers, many many many many plants... not exist, simply not exist

communism built a lot of big plants/factories, now they are ... warehouses for "made in china" products, engineers are selling in shops

do you think i would love to go with baton on street as policeman if someone wanted my AutoCad and engineering studies ???

there was one very sad joke in Poland

"- what say one MSC to another MSC after finishing university?

- McChiken please"

"father comes to employment bureau, says to officer:

- please find job to my son

- we have cleaner for 2000

- too much, he will be drinking

- we have shop assistant for 1700

- too much, he will be drinking, do you have anything below 1000 ?

- have your son finished studies ?"

concerning gangsters - i want them in graves, not in Porshe Cayene :)

Edited December 16, 2009 by vilas
orthography

[Colt45_GTO 10]

damit vilas cant you simplify a post to atleast 7 lines?

anyway i gave you the right plan to move to better living. the more we get here the better chance we can have at a civil war. or simply move to spain. its a dirty triangle....

immegrants move here we moan and move to spain, the spanish moan and move to.....where ever they move to :lol:

[USSRsniper 0]

As long as humans exist there will be no peace at all. People are willing to kill because of skin color, culture and religion, and there are those who kill for money and "fame".

Edited December 18, 2009 by USSRsniper

[jakerod 254]

As long as humans exist there will be no peace at all. People are willing to kill because of skin color, culture and religion, and there are those who kill for money and "fame".

*Points back to theory listed on last page*

In short, what if we convince them not to kill for those reasons or others?

[Colt45_GTO 10]

it would never work mate.

you try convincing the south africans to stop killing natives....once you accomplish that task (which you wont) you would be only 20% clear of peace worldwide.

anyway how boring would life really be?

not only that what would rambo do for fun then?

[Nanthaka 10]

Wars are engineered by those who profit from them. Omg people still believe the mainstream media?

[Sennacherib 0]

9 billion humans in 2050, peace is impossible. personally i'm ready for a new world war, that would be the better joke ever made.

the fact is that humans can't live without a war, war is genetic part of our heritage, alas!

Edited December 19, 2009 by Sennacherib

[Colt45_GTO 10]

yep i said it once or twice before.....peace will never happen. hell will freeze over first!

lets just be realistic!

i dont want peace in the world, same way i dont want crappy new zero emmision cars or everyone to be brainwashed into the same boring frame of mind.

the world is full of people with different idea's, thoughts and taste. i couldn't immagine living in a world where everyone wore a blue suit, drove a grey car and que'd silently to get a pay cheque. how dismal would life be? i'll say now it would be complete crap!

no sport just incase someone got injured!

no cars or vehicles that went beyond 20mph, incase someone jumped infront of one!

no trees or rope so hanging your self wouldn't be an option!

no food because no one would want to kill a cow!

no beer becuase it might make someone violent!

NO THANKS! i like it just the way it is!

if you dont like someone now you have 3 options...

kick the living daylights out of them?

ignore them?

or shoot them in the face! well this isn't an option in some countries but it should be.

Edited December 18, 2009 by Colt45_GTO

[dmakatra 1]

50 billion humans in 2050

Where'd you find that number? On some loft under a few sci-fi magazines? ;)

[jakerod 254]

it would never work mate.

you try convincing the south africans to stop killing natives....once you accomplish that task (which you wont) you would be only 20% clear of peace worldwide.

anyway how boring would life really be?

not only that what would rambo do for fun then?

I think you could convince them if you educate them. Why would life be boring? You can still: Play games, ride bikes, drive cars, see movies, read books, go sailing, go jet-skiing, go skydiving, listen to or play music, make snowmen, take pictures, or do most other things that you want to do for fun. The only thing you can't do is kill someone.

50 billion humans in 2050, peace is impossible. personally i'm ready for a new world war, that would be the better joke ever made.

the fact is that humans can't live without a war, war is genetic part of our heritage, alas!

The U.N. and U.S. Census estimate is 9 - 9.5 billion in 2050. You're only 40 billion off. You want a new World War? Are you prepared to die in it? Because somehow I don't think that you would like that.

yep i said it once or twice before.....peace will never happen. hell will freeze over first!

lets just be realistic!

i dont want peace in the world, same way i dont want crappy new zero emmision cars or everyone to be brainwashed into the same boring frame of mind.

the world is full of people with different idea's, thoughts and taste. i couldn't immagine living in a world where everyone wore a blue suit, drove a grey car and que'd silently to get a pay cheque. how dismal would life be? i'll say now it would be complete crap!

no sport just incase someone got injured!

no cars or vehicles that went beyond 20mph, incase someone jumped infront of one!

no trees or rope so hanging your self wouldn't be an option!

no food because no one would want to kill a cow!

no beer becuase it might make someone violent!

NO THANKS! i like it just the way it is!

if you dont like someone now you have 3 options...

kick the living daylights out of them?

ignore them?

or shoot them in the face! well this isn't an option in some countries but it should be.

Read Dante's Inferno, part of hell already is frozen over. You don't have to brain wash people into being the same people. People will still enjoy different things and have different ideas. You're just less likely to get a Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, or Aidid. You can still have sports. You're vehicles can still go different speeds. Why the hell would we cut down all the trees? Rope would still be needed. There could still be food, people could still kill cows, although in a perfect world I don't think we would. You don't need meat to survive anymore. As being someone who doesn't drink, and the brother of someone who lost his best friend to a drunk driver, i'm all for the no beer thing but I doubt that people would want that and thus it would not happen. I think you've watched Equilibrium one too many times.

Are you one of those kids, who in high school went around beating people up to prove how much of a "man" you were by any chance?