what we have to do peace in world

[HyperU2 11]

Just turn off the news, chances are your day to day life will be much more peaceful.

[jakerod 254]

Just turn off the news, chances are your day to day life will be much more peaceful.

That would be turning my back to the problem and ignoring it. That doesn't help anyone and there is a good chance that that would eventually catch up with me.

[Scrub 0]

Edit first: Totally agree Jakerod. Face and correct the issues.

Alright Vilas, I agree without reservation on the severe punishment of criminals, no contest no question. We are fighting over here for the same thing, and it's getting better. Peace through a good justice system.

For you to want government control and me to want freedom from government, we'll have to agree to disagree.

For all the crap about crimes, lack of education, healthcare, you can't get a job to pay for house (maybe I misunderstood?). You simply live where you want to. Some people like the 'gangsta' scene and want to pay the price, some want white picket fences and peaceful neighbors. We have both and everything in between. But it's YOUR effort that garners it

But, here are some statistics you may want to educate yourself on before you go slamming another nation. I know the freedoms of the U.S.A. have great rewards and also allow great crimes, but you do not have the relative utopia you profess.

This is not meant to be a challenge, I'm trying to be level headed about the propaganda you speak. If you want peace in this world, please lets start with truth. All stats from http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php

Drug offences (most recent) by country

#9 Poland: 36,178 per 100,000 people (!?)

#41 United States: 560.1 per 100,000 people

-Holy crap there are some drug issues-

Burglaries (per capita) (most recent) by country

#8 Poland: 9.46071 per 1,000 people

# 17 United States: 7.09996 per 1,000 people

-pretty close there-

Bribery victims (most recent) by country

# 1 Poland: 5.1%

= 12 United States: 0.2%

Corruption > % of managers surveyed ranking this as a major business constraint (most recent) by country

# 50 Poland: 15.03 % 2005 Time series

U.S.A didn't even make the list

-and you say WE have corruption?-

Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country

# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people

To quote the greatest book ever written: "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" You should read it rather than burn it. :p

A question. How many constitutions did your country have in the past 100 years? Talk about war and the U.S. taking over the world, does Europe even look at itself for all the war mongering it was part of? How many European nations disappeared in the past 100 years? Past 40? Fractured from internal/racial/ideological strife, from the fall of communism's artificial forms. Please lets remember history and move away (as the US will starting in 2010) from the hate of the past.

Edited December 18, 2009 by Scrub

[jakerod 254]

Edit first: Totally agree Jakerod. Face and correct the issues.

Alright Vilas, I agree without reservation on the severe punishment of criminals, no contest no question. We are fighting over here for the same thing, and it's getting better. Peace through a good justice system.

For you to want government control and me to want freedom from government, we'll have to agree to disagree.

For all the crap about crimes, lack of education, healthcare, you can't get a job to pay for house (maybe I misunderstood?). You simply live where you want to. Some people like the 'gangsta' scene and want to pay the price, some want white picket fences and peaceful neighbors. We have both and everything in between. But it's YOUR effort that garners it

But, here are some statistics you may want to educate yourself on before you go slamming another nation. I know the freedoms of the U.S.A. have great rewards and also allow great crimes, but you do not have the utopia you profess.

This is not meant to be a challenge, I'm trying to be level headed about the propaganda you speak. If you want peace in this world, please lets start with truth. All stats from http://www.nationmaster.com/index.php

Drug offences (most recent) by country

#9 Poland: 36,178 per 100,000 people (!?)

#41 United States: 560.1 per 100,000 people

-Holy crap there are some drug issues-

Burglaries (per capita) (most recent) by country

#8 Poland: 9.46071 per 1,000 people

# 17 United States: 7.09996 per 1,000 people

-pretty close there-

Bribery victims (most recent) by country

# 1 Poland: 5.1%

= 12 United States: 0.2%

Corruption > % of managers surveyed ranking this as a major business constraint (most recent) by country

# 50 Poland: 15.03 % 2005 Time series

U.S.A didn't even make the list

-and you say WE have corruption?-

Murders (per capita) (most recent) by country

# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people

# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people

To quote the greatest book ever written: "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?" You should read it rather than burn it. :p

A question. How many constitutions did your country have in the past 100 years? Talk about war and taking over the world, does Europe even look at itself for all the war mongering it was part of? How many European nations disappeared in the past 100 years? Past 40? Fractured from internal/racial/ideological strife, from the fall of communism's artificial forms. Please lets remember history and move away (as the US will starting in 2010) from the hate of the past.

I think he would agree with you on all those stats. The impression that he gives me is that he doesn't like the way Poland is right now. I am assuming that those stats are some what recent since you didn't say they were from 1980 or anything like that. That just helps him show why he liked Poland better before. Maybe it had lower stats than the U.S. did during the Cold War. Maybe it was better off when it was a communist/socialist nation instead of a capitalistic one. I don't know though. I was only alive for two years before the Soviet Union fell so. I'm told it was not a good place though but i'm told that by people who have always lived here.

What's happening in 2010 in the U.S.?

[Scrub 0]

True, in communism you feared the government and were a good 'cog' in the machine if you didn't want the KGB to come and take you away in the middle of the night (or so the 'anti-USSR' propaganda here went). So of course there was nothing big happening to complain about.

As for the timeframe, follow the link, it will tell. It was more a measure of what is being said with misplaced venom.

In 2010, we now rabid voters will start kicking the Marxists out of our democracy. A variety of elections go on until the 2012 Presidentials. Sorry, but your neighbor from Chi-town has riled the nation. Write a journal, because this may be the run-up to the Second Civil War.

[froggyluv 2130]

In 2010, we now rabid voters will start kicking the Marxists out of our democracy. A variety of elections go on until the 2012 Presidentials. Sorry, but your neighbor from Chi-town has riled the nation. Write a journal, because this may be the run-up to the Second Civil War.

Oh lord... and replace the 'Marxists' with what? Sarah Palin and her ragtag group of constitution thumping Tea-Party'ers? God help us...

This administration has it's fair share of problems but lest not forget the previous one's spending/borrowing habits as well as his cabinent filled with PNAC members who want to carve much of the Middle East up to suit America's, erhm... interest.

A Second Civil War would be the end of America as we know it and not in a good way.

Edited December 18, 2009 by froggyluv

[Colt45_GTO 10]

I think you could convince them if you educate them. Why would life be boring? You can still: Play games, ride bikes, drive cars, see movies, read books, go sailing, go jet-skiing, go skydiving, listen to or play music, make snowmen, take pictures, or do most other things that you want to do for fun. The only thing you can't do is kill someone.

The U.N. and U.S. Census estimate is 9 - 9.5 billion in 2050. You're only 40 billion off. You want a new World War? Are you prepared to die in it? Because somehow I don't think that you would like that.

Read Dante's Inferno, part of hell already is frozen over. You don't have to brain wash people into being the same people. People will still enjoy different things and have different ideas. You're just less likely to get a Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, or Aidid. You can still have sports. You're vehicles can still go different speeds. Why the hell would we cut down all the trees? Rope would still be needed. There could still be food, people could still kill cows, although in a perfect world I don't think we would. You don't need meat to survive anymore. As being someone who doesn't drink, and the brother of someone who lost his best friend to a drunk driver, i'm all for the no beer thing but I doubt that people would want that and thus it would not happen. I think you've watched Equilibrium one too many times.

Are you one of those kids, who in high school went around beating people up to prove how much of a "man" you were by any chance?

haha no i'm a realist. i see things as its going to happen. i gave up dreams long ago.

did i run round beating folk up? lets say school was tough.

[jakerod 254]

i'm a realist.

I am too. Although I question if you truly are.

did i run round beating folk up? lets say school was tough.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Edited December 18, 2009 by Jakerod

[Colt45_GTO 10]

dont be sorry it was more fun than pain.

i'm not a realist? hmm i beg to differ! malcom X had a dream he got shot. many other hippies had dreams and they got shot. not much hope for dreams these days.

your more of a dreamer than someone that opens his eyes to the world.

peace? never happen. as in as long as we Jake live and breath, there will always be one country wanting more than they got and sending troops to get it.

thats real jake. wake up and have your breakfast dude ;)

that said, you can have your fantasy and wish your life away as much as you want.

see i dont hope or wish for things that wont happen. i dont wish 3rd world countries had better emineties. i also dont want my country sending billions of pounds in aid to said countries when its own front lawn is littered with unemployed poor folk. i personally think its complete bs. people in third world countries can die for all i care. because it doesn't help our own climate by sending billions we dont have to feed the rich of said third world countries.

if people want to help, drop a nuke on them and put the poor souls out of thier misery! the rest of the world can get on with thier own lives then.

if you want to help the world jake, give up your job (if you have one) go find a charity organisation and work for free, sell your car and walk everywhere. if your so dead set on world peace then start at home. conflicts are over oil. if you dont own a car and you give up electricity and hot water your no longer contributing to aid a war. so if thats what you really want? you'd be best taking a stand and canceling everything that requires power.

Edited December 18, 2009 by Colt45_GTO

[froggyluv 2130]

This thread is filled with defeatism :p

Bring on Mad Max2 Post Apocolyptic anarachy!

Of course there will never be absolute World Peace so that is not even worthy of discussion. Again, I think it's relative World Peace was what this thread was intended for (actually I'm lost, I've no idea what was it was intended for).

[Colt45_GTO 10]

This thread is filled with defeatism :p

Bring on Mad Max2 Post Apocolyptic anarachy!

Of course there will never be absolute World Peace so that is not even worthy of discussion. Again, I think it's relative World Peace was what this thread was intended for (actually I'm lost, I've no idea what was it was intended for).

between me and you mate, i lost track too! i think jake is training to be a preacher? or he's a little cookoo? either way he wont swing my thoughts or knowledge. i live in a real world not one made by a drug fantasy :lol:

[jakerod 254]

dont be sorry it was more fun than pain.

That explains a lot.

i'm not a realist? hmm i beg to differ! malcom X had a dream he got shot. many other hippies had dreams and they got shot. not much hope for dreams these days.

You're right a lot of dreamers get shot but that doesn't mean they were wrong. I would say that it means that the dreamers were right. The people who didn't like them had no way to hide the truth anymore so instead of defeating them on logical grounds they had them shot instead. I find it odd that you used Malcolm X instead of Martin Luther King Jr. though since I would be more in-line with him. Keep in mind that after they both died, their dreams were realized. At least in one form or another.

your more of a dreamer than someone that opens his eyes to the world.

peace? never happen. as in as long as we Jake live and breath, there will always be one country wanting more than they got and sending troops to get it.

thats real jake. wake up and have your breakfast dude ;)

I agree, that is real. That is real now but it doesn't always have to be that way.

that said, you can have your fantasy and wish your life away as much as you want.

see i dont hope or wish for things that wont happen. i dont wish 3rd world countries had better emineties. i also dont want my country sending billions of pounds in aid to said countries when its own front lawn is littered with unemployed poor folk. i personally think its complete bs. people in third world countries can die for all i care. because it doesn't help our own climate by sending billions we dont have to feed the rich of said third world countries.

I don't think we should be sending aid to other countries while our own people suffer either. I think we should actually take care of the problems at home and then work on the other countries who want help. I don't want them to die though.

if people want to help, drop a nuke on them and put the poor souls out of thier misery! the rest of the world can get on with thier own lives then.

just out of curiosity, how old are you?

if you want to help the world jake, give up your job (if you have one) go find a charity organisation and work for free, sell your car and walk everywhere. if your so dead set on world peace then start at home. conflicts are over oil. if you dont own a car and you give up electricity and hot water your no longer contributing to aid a war. so if thats what you really want? you'd be best taking a stand and canceling everything that requires power.

I do have a job. I actually had two but recently left the second one because it was a limited time deal. I had been thinking about doing those things that you have been so kind to plan out for me for a while. I have a better idea though I just need a bit more time to plan it out. I'm not dumb enough to think that me not driving anywhere is going to do shit. Maybe if I convince a few other million people but I don't see that happening.

between me and you mate, i lost track too! i think jake is training to be a preacher? or he's a little cookoo? either way he wont swing my thoughts or knowledge. i live in a real world not one made by a drug fantasy :lol:

If by preacher you mean a priest or rabbi or whatever then no since i'm an atheist/agnostic. Cookoo? Maybe but everyone is a little crazy. It would be hard for my world to be a drug fantasy, unless people are slipping me things I don't know about.

Edited December 19, 2009 by Jakerod

[Sennacherib 0]

sorry double post

Edited December 19, 2009 by Sennacherib

[Sennacherib 0]

50 billion humans in 2050, peace is impossible. personally i'm ready for a new world war, that would be the better joke ever made.

the fact is that humans can't live without a war, war is genetic part of our heritage, alas!

The U.N. and U.S. Census estimate is 9 - 9.5 billion in 2050. You're only 40 billion off.

yes, i made a mistake, H1N1 effect :p

You want a new World War? Are you prepared to die in it? Because somehow I don't think that you would like that.

no i don't want a new war, but this is a real possibility for the future, so when i say " i'm ready", i mean that i won't be surprised :) and i'm not frightened by the death, of course i don't want to die, but when the Ankou ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankou) will come for me, i won't be frightened :p

in fact i don't trust enough in the humans capacity to live in peace.

[jakerod 254]

yes, i made a mistake, H1N1 effect :p

no i don't want a new war, but this is a real possibility for the future, so when i say " i'm ready", i mean that i won't be surprised :) and i'm not frightened by the death, of course i don't want to die, but when the Ankou ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankou) will come for me, i won't be frightened :p

in fact i don't trust enough in the humans capacity to live in peace.

I wouldn't be surprised by one too but my faith that mankind can reach peace still stands. Thanks for posting the link to the Ankou thing. I have never heard of that before.

[vilas 473]

dear Jakerod - exactly, he not understand and show new stats

number of many heavy crimes (f.e. killings) doubled in 1992-2002 comparing to "before"

number of beating (by hooligans on street) is 5 times more

number of robbery with violence is 3-4 times more

problem is in finding criminal, officially 90% of killers are found but... fact is that 50% of killings are inside family - drunken husband killed wife in argue for example , home violence etc.

but what pisses of people 77% want capital punishment, gov. piss on us cause "EU"

people want harder law, law is day by day softer

he shown newest statistics , while US police has best equipment, laboratories and etc.

ratio of killings in PL and US is similar when you count ratio on 100 000 citizens

but please compare such stats for 1985 ?

i know that back then US was dangerous (lower Police technics)

and funny how he says about my life there

it is me who live here, not him

i live here 32 years, my parents and family 62 years

he writes about people fear gov., yes, specially on US movies and in mouth of teenagers here who tell legends like "you had to carry with yourself toothbrush and towel, cause you might be arrested any time"

well - noone from my family was arrested, but in 90's (most dangerous) my auntie had her car stolen, purse robbed and drunk groups of hooligans throwing bricks after football match broken windows in block

for people like those football hooligans for sure PL before 1989 would be "regime", cause they would not run street throwing stones at pedestrians

also it would be regime for all those not paying taxes "businessmen" and those who "not work but has super car" and for "must shout at non-church gov." catholics who wanna put cross everywhere and forbid naked woman instead

our society is in big percent catholic, so for them "atheistic" state was enemy, so they look different, and if they think i (me - Vilas) must pray now - yes, they teach their children it was regime.. but hell , how much money had they payed for university or flat in which they live ?

of course now they can built from my taxes another church, while i would prefer if those taxes would go to build hospital

such things had no place before 89, just like people asking for food on street(not drunkers, but retired old woman with low pension who has 250 EU pension and must pay 120 for flat , although whole life worked honestly , or guys unemployed looking for raw materials, metal, copper - cause plant is no more, cause "Made in China" products are everywhere)

those who worked simply and not making problems - had easy life

stats that he shown are modern , but since 5 years we have serious rise of efficiency of police

stats from 1992-2001 would look much worse and stats from 1984, 1985, 1978, 1976... would look definitely different

stats are also "cleaned" by "znikoma szkodliwość społeczna czynu" "low danger act"

when you steal below 200 PLN , it is not taken under account or chased

so... when you rob from someone 199 = nothing happened, 201 - police register it ... and say "man, it is not W-11" (W-11 is popular Polish TV criminal serial about unit W-11 , fictional division in one city) or discontinue letter after 30 days (law term 30 days)

only Helsinki foundation a*** fights for more comfortable life in prison cell or "whether handcuffs are not too tight"

Jakerod i see you are wise man, believe me - i know that none of those both systems is "good", good would be mix of both, not "black or white" but mixed , but as you see, some of your country people make "commie" of someone who not likes "liberal jungle law strongest will survive money is god"

Edited December 19, 2009 by vilas

[Colt45_GTO 10]

just out of curiosity, how old are you?

too old to fight for my country, too wise not to. when i was young and nieve i may have but not now.

i couldn't pick up a weapon and fight for the idiots that run this country, if i did fight for anything it would be for my family and nothing els.

you see over the years our governent has fucked us over and its happening every single day. the best thing to happen to this god forsaken hell hole is that all the polotitians resign or die. and a new bread step in. and i mean those that actually care for the sake of this little island.

then i might start to give a fuck. but hell didn't freeze over yet and there is no god! nor is there a hell.

life begins at home along with charity. beyond that are idiots with idiotic idea's.

so no i have no faith in anything except my better half and her and my own family......i also have faith in my car because it starts every time i want....except when it doesn't.

there can be a world war as far as i'm concerned, i think the world needs it to straighten shit out.

peace

Edited December 19, 2009 by Colt45_GTO

[USSRsniper 0]

*Points back to theory listed on last page*

In short, what if we convince them not to kill for those reasons or others?

But can you? Some people choose crime because they simply can't make enough money working at some low paying job.. What about ethnocentrism? Are you going to remove all the different cultures just to prevent wars?

[jakerod 254]

But can you? Some people choose crime because they simply can't make enough money working at some low paying job.. What about ethnocentrism? Are you going to remove all the different cultures just to prevent wars?

I am positive that there are ways to make people stop. Maybe not this generation and maybe not the next but some generation (assuming humanity survives long enough to see this generation) will be able to see how pointless killing for shit like that is.

I hope to show them that they do make enough money working at a low paying job or if they actually don't then to find a way to get them an education so they don't have to.

You wouldn't have to destroy all other cultures and perhaps not any to prevent wars. You might need to find a way to phase out violent parts of them though. There is also the option of educating people about certain parts of life depending on what they do that might change their mind about them. I'm definitely not ethnocentric though. There are elements of a lot of different cultures that I think are far better than ours. I especially like certain aspects of Japanese culture and will be taking a class in January about various African ones.

[Colt45_GTO 10]

jake, how in the world can you show a junkie thats high on crack 24/7 not to take drugs or shoot someone over a pair of shoes to pay for his next fix?

you wont thats how!

you sure dont live on this planet pal.

i'm no criminal but i wont be told what to do either. i have a problem with autority like i wont be spoken down too. people that try get ignored and i'm talking RL here not some forum crap. this never effected any of my employment status's. i left each job to go straight in another more higher paying.

but seriously if i had to switch on the tv to someone like you sat preaching to the world...i'd switch it straight off!

if someone like you came knocking on my door trying the same thing, you would get the same treatment jahoves witnes's do.. door slam!

[vilas 473]

people, people

lets divide criminals from wars

and topic is about wars/peace not crimes

wars are: thousands troops move to other country, jets bomb city

not robber hooligan attacked old lady

wars are made by governors, kings, politicians corrupted by lobby of war-machines producers or oil-needed industry

you cannot stop "criminals" on street , but you can stop country A from bombing country B

just like pollution topic was messed by "temperature level effect"

topic starter wrote about US troops in (maybe his) country , for me peace also means lack of wars , lack of troops moving on other ground than their fatherland and etc.

just like i divide "politics" and "addons" (which many people cannot) or i divide "politics" from "market" , like for example i buy many US things cause i think they are good quality as specially clothes EWCS, wool socks, touristic equipment, bulbs GE and etc.

i don't mix politics and addons, politics and what i buy or respect technically

and thats why i also don't mix criminals and wars, cause you cannot stop junkie on street unless you shot him, but you can stop president who want invade

There are elements of a lot of different cultures that I think are far better than ours.

yes Jake, as i heard about Japanese - they are very very polite, and not lie and fulfill promisses

i even heard (maybe it is legend) that Japanes had no paper-signed contracts cause "told word" was enough

it is something what we (living in culture full of liars, lawyers, marketing, p.r. managers) can be only jealous , to have it here

and yes, i see this "cultural difference" when sometimes people living in west do not understand my problem, when for example i hate liars and they diminish problem of lies by someone

for them it is "what's the problem", while for example someone lied few times, they say about "forgiving" , not about "how we should punish him" instead :/ i don't understand why forgive not punish :/ so "strict" culture/rules is for me better

Edited December 20, 2009 by vilas

[jakerod 254]

jake, how in the world can you show a junkie thats high on crack 24/7 not to take drugs or shoot someone over a pair of shoes to pay for his next fix?

I haven't figured that one out yet. The best way would be to find a way to make people not want it first. I'm told the British Approach is a fairly good way of doing things too.

you sure dont live on this planet pal.

I'm fairly sure I do... unless you live on a different planet than the one I am thinking of.

i'm no criminal but i wont be told what to do either. i have a problem with autority like i wont be spoken down too. people that try get ignored and i'm talking RL here not some forum crap. this never effected any of my employment status's. i left each job to go straight in another more higher paying.

So if someone could logically prove to you that what you are about to do is stupid, pointless, and that you do not gain anything from it, then you are still going to do it just because you think that you're better than them?

if someone like you came knocking on my door trying the same thing, you would get the same treatment jahoves witnes's do.. door slam!

A nice thing to do is to invite them in and talk to them. It serves two purposes: 1.) You help others because they don't have to talk to them since you're taking up their time, 2.) You try to convince them that they are wrong or that their religion makes no sense or something. Its always fun to watch people try to justify their religion.

[Colt45_GTO 10]

I haven't figured that one out yet. The best way would be to find a way to make people not want it first. I'm told the British Approach is a fairly good way of doing things too.

I'm fairly sure I do... unless you live on a different planet than the one I am thinking of.

So if someone could logically prove to you that what you are about to do is stupid, pointless, and that you do not gain anything from it, then you are still going to do it just because you think that you're better than them?

A nice thing to do is to invite them in and talk to them. It serves two purposes: 1.) You help others because they don't have to talk to them since you're taking up their time, 2.) You try to convince them that they are wrong or that their religion makes no sense or something. Its always fun to watch people try to justify their religion.

i think you should leave the meth alone.

i have an idea.....i can block your jibberish. because you aint gunna change a thing!

[froggyluv 2130]

so no i have no faith in anything except my better half and her and my own family......i also have faith in my car because it starts every time i want....except when it doesn't.

there can be a world war as far as i'm concerned, i think the world needs it to straighten shit out.

peace

...as long as those things you just mentioned that are important you aren't hurt right? Well that goes for everyone. You may live on an Island, but in the matter of a World War, so is the entire planet. With today's military technologies, you and yours would be effected and I doubt you'd be so welcoming of it then.

[NoRailgunner 0]

You want peace on earth? Just change how humans feel about each other (hate, envy, greed) and in what they believe (religions, money, power)! Of course there are simpler things like exploring the space and finding there a suitable place to live. ;)

Edited December 20, 2009 by NoRailgunner
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