Swine Flu has mutated!

[loosebruce 10]

Yes well I am sorry to bring the news but the vaccine is no longer good.

Epidemic here we come:

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Swine flu virus mutations are spreading in Europe, French health officials said Friday as the World Health Organisation reported a leap in deaths from the disease by more than 1,000 in a week. Skip related content

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Two patients who were infected by a mutation that was also recently detected in Norway have died in France, the government's Health Surveillance Institute (InVS) said in a statement.

"This mutation could increase the ability of the virus to affect the respiratory tracts and, in particular, the lung tissue," said a statement from "For one of these patients, this mutation was accompanied by another mutation known to confer resistance to oseltamivir," it added, referring to the main drug being used to treat swine flu, under the brand name Tamiflu.

The case was the first drug-resistant strain found in France among the 1,200 strains experts have analysed here, the InVS said, adding that "the effectiveness of vaccines currently available is not being questioned."

The two patients were not related and had been hospitalised in two different cities in France, it said.

The WHO said Friday the death toll had reached at least 7,826 worldwide since the A(H1N1) flu virus was first uncovered in April.

The number of deaths reported to the UN health agency showed the biggest rise in the Americas, where 5,360 deaths have now been recorded compared to 4,806 a week ago.

But Europe also posted a substantial increase percentage-wise with at least 650 fatalities now reported, representing a surge of 300 deaths or 85 percent from data posted a week ago.

The WHO said Thursday it was investigating reports of mutations in the virus, after half a dozen countries recorded such cases.

"The question is whether these mutations again suggest that there is a fundamental change going on in viruses out there -- whether there's a turn for the worse in terms of severity," said Keiji Fukuda, WHO's special adviser on pandemic influenza.

"The answer right now is that we are not sure," he added following reports from China, Japan, Norway, Ukraine and the United States.

He noted, however, that mutations are common in influenza viruses, and "if every mutation is reported out there it would be like reporting changes in the weather."

"What we're trying to do when we see reports of mutations is to identify if these mutations are leading to any kinds of changes in the clinical picture -- do they cause more severe or less severe disease?

"Also we're trying to see if these viruses are increasing out there as that would suggest a change in epidemiology," he added.

China said earlier Thursday that it had discovered eight people with mutated versions of swine flu while Norway reported last week that it had detected one case.

Fukuda also said that the UN health agency was looking into Tamiflu-resistant cases reported in Britain and the United States but noted they concerned people who are already undergoing treatment for other diseases or who have underlying health issues.

The health agency was therefore maintaining its assessment that Tamiflu, produced by Swiss drugmaker Roche, remained "effective" as a treatment for swine flu, but that "we do have to be vigilant in these very susceptible people."

[Colt45_GTO 10]

man i wont even discuss swine flu, its just another strain of manflu. only it gets more publicity.

[loosebruce 10]

suit yourself but im not taking the risk. making a 2 weeks food and water supply just incase the faeces hits the fan!

[celery 8]

Yeah, the flu devastated the world 30 years ago.

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Not getting the shot.

[loosebruce 10]

Im not getting the shot either and it probably wont help.

I figured to make a nice emergency supply stash would be around £70. A respirator and surgical accessories for a month is about £35 e.g. gloves, masks, sterilisation wipes and gels.

A particle resistant boiler suit is £7 and protective goggles and mask is £50

So what is more important for you?

£250 or your life???

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Do you think 2 weeks is enough? A month?

Man, if this thing is anywhere near as dangerous as you believe, a little stash of goods isn't going to save you. Especially once people realize The Government can't save them and start looking after themselves.

[celery 8]

Im not getting the shot either and it probably wont help.

I figured to make a nice emergency supply stash would be around £70. A respirator and surgical accessories for a month is about £35 e.g. gloves, masks, sterilisation wipes and gels.

A particle resistant boiler suit is £7 and protective goggles and mask is £50

So what is more important for you?

£250 or your life???

What do you do with your life if you plan such precautions to protect it from the smallest of risks? Normal flu is killing hundreds more people as we speak.

[loosebruce 10]

Your right, I need to rethink! Possibly a months supply for 3 people and a dog.

Does anyone have any tutorials on how to make weapons also? The UK has a low amount of Firearms so most people if things get bad will use improvised weapons.

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Your right, I need to rethink! Possibly a months supply for 3 people and a dog.

Does anyone have any tutorials on how to make weapons also? The UK has a low amount of Firearms so most people if things get bad will use improvised weapons.

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you intend to survive by way of "Tutorials", then don't expect to survive.

[sanctuary 19]

Yeah, you should build your own shotguns and run into the street shooting all those H1N1A flying virus around you before they get to you !

I am sure there's a tutorial about this somewhere ! That'll teach them !

[GoOB 0]

I got the shots together with my surgery about a month ago - They came recommended, and just like the surgery they were free of charge. I didn't really care either way, especially since I was juiced up on free, government funded opiates for the better part of that weekend

[AndresCL 10]

I already had it. Its nothing serious (just a bit of vomit and some fever) but after one to two weeks in bed you are as good as new. I really cant believe how all the pepole went "OMFG Swine flu" this year, as its weaker than the regular flu, and it only kills already heavily sick and/or weak pepole (by weak i mean weak inmune system)

Pussies

[echo1 0]

There has been an increase as of late in the amount of deaths of normal healthy people who have the Swine Flu... Then again, I don't think a healthy person is any more likely to die of the Swine Flu compared with the regular flu. Hell, I can think of at least three occasions where I have been within 3-4 meters of someone with the swine flu, and I never caught it.

[JdB 151]

Yes well I am sorry to bring the news but the vaccine is no longer good.

The new mutation is resistant to Tamiflu, which is a generic flu medicine. This is not the same as the actual vaccine against swine flu. Tamiflu is a drug used to treat those that have already contracted the disease, the vaccine is used to prevent people from getting (full-on) swine flu by injecting them with a mild strain of the virus to build up the body' immune system.

[GoOB 0]

Pussies

Haha, yes, having a chronic condition like astma, diabetes or a neuromuscular disease makes you a great big pussy, not to mention a weakling. The same applies for leukemia, and ofcourse the biggest pussies of all - Those little queens "suffering" from high blood pressure.

[Richey79 10]

Yeah, the flu devastated the world 30 years ago.

Not getting the shot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

Not good news if it's mutated. Apparently, the core writer for Left 4 Dead based much of the game's depiction of a wrecked society on his reading about the 'Spanish Flu' outbreak. I know the media love to scare us with a new demon every few weeks, but a serious pandemic might genuinely be something to worry about.

On the other hand, several people I know have had 'Swine Flu' and, if anything, it seemed to have less effect on them than generic flu. As long as it doesn't mutate into a more virulent strain....

[loosebruce 10]

Look,

I recently graduated at Uni with a Bsc. hons. in Biomedical Science. Now I didnt do alot of Virology or Microbiology in that course but I do know two things.

A-we are long overdue for a pandemic of flu

B-with the increase in super-hygienic conditions causing many people to become less tolerant of foreign antigens. Meaning

people will be more susceptible to catching and spreading a disease!

I try to live a safely dirty life as possible not trying to be too clean or too dirty so my immune system is always challenged but not strained. I am least concerned about myself but more concerned for my family.

Besides preparing something like this is fun for me, just like how I used to make mock up preparations for Nuclear wars etc. I have some holidays off from work and plenty of cash so this is more of a hobby for me to buy some water and dehydrated food.

Remember swine flu can affect you in more ways than just your health. It could mess with a countries infrastructure which in turn messes with you!

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Just if anyone is curious a respirator like this combined with other protective items e.g. surgical gloves and a eye protection is sufficient

http://www.protecdirect.co.uk/Brand/3M/3M-Premium-FFP3D-Respirator.htm

[mattxr 9]

Who cares pfft swine flu!! about 36,000 people die from seasonal flu-related causes every year, so its nothing new just its a different kind of flu, once the numbers of deaths rise to everyone who gets it, then it will be different and serious.

[loosebruce 10]

Well MattXR I am glad you feel that way but if everyone took the complacent view that you have then well Im guessing most of us wouldnt be around here today!

[echo1 0]

So, what would you do, other than live out in the middle of nowhere with your pickup truck and Remington 870?

[dmakatra 1]

Meh, might as well take the damn shot. It's not like it's a bother anyway. I took it and it was actually quite enjoyable! They vaccinate everyone of the same age group at the same time here, so I got to meet loads of old high school mates I hadn't seen in ages. Good fun.

And it's government funded. Huzzah!

[jw custom 56]

I have already made a bunker deep in the forest with supply for atleast 1 year :Oo:

[riffleman 20]

I did't going outside,it is best cure than all.

[mattxr 9]

One of my friends got swine flu, nothing bad happened to em im sure thats the case with all the other healthy people. Its only really affecting people with health problems just as normal flu.

The global number of swine flu deaths has jumped by more than 1,000 in a week, latest figures from the World Health Organization (WHO) show.

At least 7,826 people are now known to have died following infection with the H1N1 virus since it first emerged in Mexico in April.

Europe saw an 85% increase in the week, with the total number of deaths rising from at least 350 to at least 650.

However, in most cases the virus continues to produce mild symptoms.

An overwhelming majority of patients usually recover, even without medical treatment, within a week.

The biggest rise in deaths was recorded in the Americas, where the death toll rose to 5,360 - a rise of 554 cases in one week.

Health authorities in Norway and France have each recorded two fatalities from a mutated strain of H1N1.

China, Japan, Norway, Ukraine and the US have also recorded cases of people being infected with a mutated strain.

If every mutation is reported out there it would be like reporting changes in the weather

[sanctuary 19]

If every mutation is reported out there it would be like reporting changes in the weather

It is exact that a mutation that would add or remove 1 hour of incubation is not worth mentionning.

But you must consider that the Tamiflu (trade name for the oseltamivir) is what is mostly used to heal you when you become infected, a mutation of the virus providing it a resistance to oseltamivir is rather worth mentionning to get people being less careless in their usual behaviour in crowd, don't you think ?