USA vs SLA conflict real life

[Second 0]

One quite funny thing is (which has been discussed earlier too)... Where did SLA train it's tankers and those BIG (atleast batallion or two) mechaniced units? There's not much open space in there, just mountain valleys and fields. Was SLA armored unit named something like 'Mountain Armored Brigade' by anychange?

I always figured they would train them at the North-Eastern most base. The one that you have to attack with the 2 other abrams in the single player mission and in the campaign. There is a good amount of flat space there. The base is big so you know it can fit trainers and recruits. Its also out of the way of the South.

Thats just what I thought though. Im sure there are holes in it.

Well... err... Your right, there is space which i've forgoten totaly.

[sparks50 0]

Its not really very realistic that a country so tiny can have such independent politics either, so this discussion falls a bit on its knees.

Luxembourg?

(is very small)

Luxembourg is 7-10 times bigger and they still havent launched war on France

[Mr_Tea 0]

Have you taken into account that the US has no supporting fleet? They are just a bunch of soldiers (who can't decide if they are US Marines or US Army) with some tanks and a load of light vehicles.

Whatever... it is a game.

Some Army men to train the King`s troops, and some Marine troops to support the operation.

It`s not that they can`t decide what they want to be, it`s the players that take no notice of the story.

[vilas 474]

first of all not implemented in game:

(without my privat opinion about US politics and other)

- no electronic warfare (disabling electrostations and other industry)

- no bombings (US like someone from history, first bombs area, than when all is down, they put first Abrams)

Russian "mistake" in Chechnya is not bombing all before first soldier arive

- attacking from TV guided lauchers/bombs

probably such small island like "Sahrani" would be very quickly beaten , some "guerillas" for money would do the rest , of course what is real - oil in the south, otherwise noone would care about "poor south" people slaughtered by "evil guys"

but SLA have T72, AK - so in real life:

- bombing and electronic war attack

- few chopers would destroy ALL armored vehicles

- few "contractors" and Sahrani exist no longer in 1-2 days

most of SLA would surrender before first US soldier would put his feet on land , when all vehicles and industry would be vanished

so game has nothing to do to real war in modern world, nothing

so this topic is sensless

at the end i will tell - personally i am very very anti-war person and i believe that war is only good when you do something defending your country, not economy interests

SLA vs. US is sick proportion

real poor countries have no this high-tech technology boomsticks

poor , wrong trained man with rifle is not able to do much against all satelites, guided bombs, well trained and well paid ... army and not only army

game is just "game", it is just infantryman against infantryman

[Tic-Tac 0]

Its not really very realistic that a country so tiny can have such independent politics either, so this discussion falls a bit on its knees.

Luxembourg?

(is very small)

Luxembourg is 7-10 times bigger and they still havent launched war on France

LOL!

On topic this is how i think it goes:

1st few days when only small detachment of US army and RACS are defending the island the SLA will probably gain a few towns but then US will completly destroy them when they get proper air support.

But it is like christmas island vs china

[STRYKER555 0]

Well if it was a real war the US forces would rip the SLA troops in the South to pieces as they would certainly attain air superiority within a day or two. Depending on where the US forces attack large formations of SLA troops would be cut off and bombed incessantly it would be a very nasty situation for the SLA units in South Sarhani.

On the other hand if and when US armored and infantry units start to move North they will start to encounter stiff opposition from elite Sarhani units who have already fell back behind the border and communist peoples resistance guerillas who have been thorougly trained and highly motivated with Marxist Leninist ideals. Certain areas of Northern Sarhani will however yield to the US forces as those people there will be fed up of the communists, but other areas with strong communist organization will be a headache for the US as their supply lines get attacked on a regular basis.

Still the US after a tough time in the North will defeat the resistance, as a matter of fact its the stiff resistance and brutality of the communist guerillas that makes the US send in reinforcements and support to sanitize Northern Sarhani of the Reds. To tell the truth even the highly motivated peoples communist guerrilla cells wouldnt have a chance, they wouldnt be getting support, they are cut off by a US Naval blockade, their "peoples courts" executing large numbers their fellow countrymen for helping the Americans and killing of US POWS wouldnt help them at all..

US wins.

[Col. Faulkner 0]

If they were concerned about a realistic conflict, they should

really have portrayed smaller, less "militarily sophisticated"

countries than the USA. A piss-puddle war between the two

armies of saggy-arsed floppys on Sahrani might have been

more believable (but then BIS'd never have sold more than

a few copies, I suppose).

Anyway, it's all just a good fun game of toy soldiers. The

war never ends but nobody ever gets hurt.

[jakerod 254]

If they were concerned about a realistic conflict, they should

really have portrayed smaller, less "militarily sophisticated"

countries than the USA. A piss-puddle war between the two

armies of saggy-arsed floppys on Sahrani might have been

more believable (but then BIS'd never have sold more than

a few copies, I suppose).

Anyway, it's all just a good fun game of toy soldiers. The

war never ends but nobody ever gets hurt.

SLA vs RAC

Thats a fun one. I play those types of levels a lot. I don't ahve to worry about the realism of things as much then. Like the fact that any tank much less a tank platoon would've been taken out by a hellfire one week before ground forces arrived.

Who do you guys think would win that one?

[walker 0]

Hi all

Campaigns are based on a narrative.

Any narrative relies on a premise.

I could start here and write premise after premise explaining how the sides might be equalised. It just requires imagination.

Consider.

Removal of US space dominance

A former soviet republic or new space capable player uses a pre-emptive strike on US spy sats in the area. Using either a satlite based anti satelite shotgun or Directed ElectroMagnetic Pulse (DEMP) gun.

Removal of US stealth technology advantage

Distributed Silhouette Passive Radar (DSPR) detectors relying on radar emissions from stars to see Silhouette of the threat passing between them and the stars overhead. 24 hour sky watch.

Removal of US air superiority

Complex but possible:

Remove Anti Radar missile advantage

DSPR is HARM and ALARM proof. Also add Distributed Active Micro Emitting Radar (DAMER) for a higher fidelity targeting lots of small short range radar emitters with mobility and strobing to reduce affect of HARM and ALARM type Anti Radiation missiles. Emitters are kept separate from the detectors to reduce loss effect. Create lots of cheap emitters and keep the expensive detectors passive.

Improved Range Anti Air Missile System.

Set launchers on helium balloons; simple barrage balloon technology so time to target is reduced and range advantage is given.

Removal of cruise missile advantage.

This one is hard.

Take out GPS satellites with jamming and anti satellite missiles. Barrage balloons and and Vulcan type rapid fire AA guns or standard Anti Missile missiles such as are used to take out low flying missiles like the Super Etendard.

Removal of US numeric advantage

Encourage the US into multi front war or wait till same. Cut US access to Oil. Several methods to do this but I will not explain them. Might give the wrong people the idea.

Remove ICBM advantage

Can not think how to beat that one technologically but wars are won in politics not war.

Political prevent use by threat of third party allie with ICBM capability. Outmaneuver politically. Make ICBMs a no win high cost option.

Fanciful I know but all possible.

Kind Regards walker

[ShooterSix 0]

The SLA in the north would be completely destroyed from a few MOABs. Two or three Abrams platoons would destroy all enemy armor in the South, Gulf War anyone? Their infantry would quickly retreat and surrender under so much firepower, once again, refer to the Gulf War.

It would be a massacre, ended in 12-36 hours.

If the US was completely cut off from any reinforcements and support for a few days or a week, US casulties would occur, but they would be light, and would only delay the enevitable.

Guerilla warfare would be minnimal or non existent, this isn't an Islamic regime, plus the population is very small.

[Correction 0]

From reading the question and several answers, I think something that really needs to be clarified is whether the question is "How should it happen" or "How would it really happen?"

[Placebo 28]

As this thread isn't about anything that's actually part of ArmA (as in the reason for having an ArmA:General forum) I'll move it to OT

[bangtail 0]

Within a day. The whole island is so small that it probably wouldn't take more than 3 hours. It's just 5km from Corazol to Banango. 8-12km to the rest of the north from Corazol. It wouldn't be a war, it wouldn't even be a military exercise. It'd be something for the airforce.

Even with the gear they have ingame now the US would wipe the floor with them.

Yah, just like the US "wiped the floor" with Iraq

E

[cozza 24]

USA invading North Sahrani will be like the US invasion of Grenada. Island was about the same size of North Sharani.

My plan for the invasion. It'll be Special Forces secure Pita airfield, destroy rader towers/SAMs, Mine the road from the Base in the North West. Then the next day, a combined force of RACS and US Mechnized Infantry move through Corazol moving North, which will take a day.

While US Airbourne troops land at Pita airfield securing the moutain areas around there.

[ShooterSix 0]

Within a day. The whole island is so small that it probably wouldn't take more than 3 hours. It's just 5km from Corazol to Banango. 8-12km to the rest of the north from Corazol. It wouldn't be a war, it wouldn't even be a military exercise. It'd be something for the airforce.

Even with the gear they have ingame now the US would wipe the floor with them.

Yah, just like the US "wiped the floor" with Iraq

E

They did, Gulf War 1 and 2 are considered some of the most successful military campaigns in the history of mankind. Occupation is a different matter.

MehMeh saying it wouldn't take more than three hours, probably isn't exaggerated too much.

[Rommel 2]

But you also have to remember, forgetting how SLA got their equipment, that the US had only a small contingent and a carrier group was a few days out, hence why they got their asses kicked so much initiailly, but I still think air support would come a lot sooner and most of the installations would of been destroyed earlier, and SF would of been deployed to cut supply lines and weaken enemy causing attrition, wouldn't take nearly as long as they made out, but it wouldn't be three hours going by the campaigns storyline.

[alext223 0]

The SLA would get whipped into submission by "shock and awe". Once it got there. Until then, your on you own pal! Which IMO, is where you are when ArmA starts. My guess is that your Battalion flew there, while the rest of the division went by sea, ( because of political sword rattling. ). And you get the shit end of the deal. As we all know from the game. At the end of the ground war, known dissidents, political leaders and most POW's and surrendered troops would be held until they were "tagged". And if nobody makes the F___ up Jerry Bremmer made by disbanding the Army. Once the money started flowing into the peoples pockets, the propaganda would ACTUALLY come true.

Think it will ever happen???

alext223

Edit:

P,S,

In regards to air power; Bad weather. It does happen! It snowed during Gulf War 1.

TLAM & B-52 strikes; your guess is as good as mine.

Intel of all sorts; It helps, but if you don't have the full means to exploit it, what good is it. Just gotta cover your arse and stay alive.

[Second 0]

SLA vs RAC

Thats a fun one. I play those types of levels a lot. I don't ahve to worry about the realism of things as much then. Like the fact that any tank much less a tank platoon would've been taken out by a hellfire one week before ground forces arrived.

Who do you guys think would win that one?

You mean RAC vs SLA? In "clean" one-on-one match between RAC and SLA without US presence?

SLA would be my choise. They most likely have more manpower (drafts) and they have better suiting equipment to south (their gear suits better to south than to their own country ). Light infantry can't fight back effictively against mechaniced force there, unlike in most parts of north. Mountainrange south of Somato is basically only thing they can defend or operate, but SLA handels that terrain as well (they have biggest mountains and lots of them)... When looking at campaign most heroic thing RAC, well Guards actually, could do was to kill their own citizens They couldn't much halt the SLA's advance. SLA took over mountains as well as south and big cities in south hastly, even when US was helping RAC out.

RAC's lack heavy eguipment which is telling that either their defencebudget is very-very low, or they military-units are former "thugs" of royal family, mostly anti-revolution troops and borderquards, who knows maybe most of RAC troops are still that (atleast they handled the 'shoot the civilians'-drill). I doupt that South is having drafts but they are prone to favor well paid troops, which means that they have much less troops than North has.

So i'd say SLA owns RAC. Good job SLA.

EDIT: It can be that i have 100% wrong idea of what RACs actaully are, but i do see them as army which is covering asses of royal family from the revolutional forces within country. They are trained and equiped so. They are not prepared to face conventional opponent, such as SLA. Maybe they are preparing for it right now, but they are not even near to be ready.

[MehMan 0]

Within a day. The whole island is so small that it probably wouldn't take more than 3 hours. It's just 5km from Corazol to Banango. 8-12km to the rest of the north from Corazol. It wouldn't be a war, it wouldn't even be a military exercise. It'd be something for the airforce.

Even with the gear they have ingame now the US would wipe the floor with them.

Yah, just like the US "wiped the floor" with Iraq

E

They did. They wiped the floor with Iraq the first and second time. Occupation is another thing.

How did they wipe the floor? Well, with preplanning, command of the sky and good coordination. And that's what would happen to Sahrani if there was any problem with it.

Besides, Sahrani is too small to wage a real war on it.

[Spokesperson 0]

Of course the US would win. Just send 10 troops for every citizen and everything would be solved.

[Mr_Tea 0]

The situation on that island would be totally different from that in Iraq for example.

You have no neighbor-states from that insurgents can infiltrate the land, or transport weapons and explosives in.

Even on an island that is far bigger, the situation would be no big problem for the US troops.

[hypno toad 0]

As much as I hate to say it, the US would really kick the crap out of the Sahranians. And despite what you say, there would be no guerrilla war, the population is too small, and it would only take a matter of hours to find all of the guerrilla camps.

[-AIF- Kris 0]

I think the Americans wouldn't stand much chance look at the facts:

Every Fight the Americans have been in on there own they lost. When they do fight alongside other countries they end up killing about a 1/4 of there own men. If they were to get into a fight with SLA they would need help from Allied Countries.

(this is not a rage at the Americans)

[Mr_Tea 0]

Kris @ Jan. 26 2008,13:26)]I think the Americans wouldn't stand much chance look at the facts:

Every Fight the Americans have been in on there own they lost. When they do fight alongside other countries they end up killing about a 1/4 of there own men. If they were to get into a fight with SLA they would need help from Allied Countries.

(this is not a rage at the Americans)

LMAO, realy.

That tiny little island would be no problem at all, not a bit.

Would not need one complete US-fleet, nor the involvement of the US-Army.

Look at the numbers, the US.Military might be a bit bigger than you think.

Don`t get me wrong.

God bless the US-Troops in field, but to hell with their`e political leader(s).

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Kris @ Jan. 26 2008,13:26)]I think the Americans wouldn't stand much chance look at the facts:

Every Fight the Americans have been in on there own they lost. When they do fight alongside other countries they end up killing about a 1/4 of there own men. If they were to get into a fight with SLA they would need help from Allied Countries.

(this is not a rage at the Americans)

This is idiotic. What conflict has America been the sole participant in that they have lost?

Further, do you really believe a small below poverty line island could defeat even a brigade sized task force? Seriously.

I think everyone in this thread needs to take Iraq out of their thought-process, because as it is now, it seems that you are all assuming Iraq is the way all war is fought. Iraq is the way it is for a number of reasons, failure by the military is not actually one of them.

I mean, jesus, the US Army has more soldiers than Sahrani has people.