Why I think ArmA will still be better than OFP2

[opg4740 0]

Ok, so Codemasters is pushing out OFP2.

it will be avail for Xbox.

Framework simulator games don't make good console games.

If you make it run on a console, then you have to remove everything "open" for the game.

Does anyone else remember games that were good, they came out with a sequel and made a console port during the sequel?

Deus Ex would be a great example, they had to completely dumb down the interface to allow for console play (and players).

I also think that a fan base follows the developer, not the publisher. Who follows EA?

When some of the guys that worked on Medal of Honor left EA to go make CoD did people stay with EA or follow the guys to see what CoD would be like?

I have always though of BIS as selling the best "framework" military game on the market. I just don't see a developer understanding that.

I also think I am a bit biased, I am really hoping that OFP2 will suck hard and that Codemasters will fail.

[BraTTy 0]

I can also add that BIS has way more experience with games on this nature

Has this community with some much input from users and are already steps beyond. More importantly it has me ,lol

[Sennacherib 0]

Quote[/b] ] Who follows EA?

a big international team. tons of graphics designers, texturers-modellers. and they have a chance, they don't have a "community", which give lessons to the professionnals.

i don't want to see, neither BIS or Codemaster to fail, i just want to see happy players, with one of these games.

[Col. Faulkner 0]

If both are very good then I'll buy both - I'm sure installing

both onto the same HD won't make my computer explode

(although you never know...). As far as the two companies

go, a bit of competition is always healthy.

I just can't understand the attitude of those who say things

like "I hope this game will be crap and I hope the developer

fails"! Shouldn't that rather be "Yay! there's another

game of the sort that I like!"?

[DBO_ 0]

Quote[/b] ]i don't want to see, neither BIS or Codemaster to fail, i just want to see happy players, with one of these games

Same here neither have done any arm to my game experience and badmouthing codies without the facts is just plain and simply silly.

the best scenario that may come from all this is that the DM and ctf crowd get a bloody good game from codies and the co op and large mapped rts/rpg gamers get a bloody good game from bis.

[SaBrE_UK 0]

I know BIS said they'll be releasing for consoles (I hope they do for financial reasons) but their hearts are with PCs. I'm thinking OFP2 is likely to be slightly dumbed down at least, unless of course, they make two different versions (one for PC and one for consoles just like was done with GR:AW). That's a good idea!

[opg4740 0]

ok, maybe I was a bit harsh on Codemasters.

While I like competition, I want EVERYONE to play ArmA. I want more servers to pick from, more people to play with, and more MOD options.

OFP and ArmA are the only games that I can "go for a hike" in.

I would love to make mods, missions, hell even maps... but I don't have the time to learn the skill, to devote the time...

So I rely on the game to be SO COOL that people never want to leave and they make more fun stuff to play.

My worries about Codemasters and OFP2 is that it will be a closed system more like BF2.

EA was so busy putting out more crud to buy for BF2 that they never went and fixed any core problems.

The BF2 system was so closed that there was never a mod community.

If we run into any real problems with ArmA.. OFP has shown that the mod community can just write "realism" patches and such and resolve most all of it.

[Ezekiel 0]

Guys, Codemasters are using a DRIVING SIM engine! I know its just MHO but I'm thinking they've latched onto the whole 'wow big landscapes, planes, helicopters AND tanks! And you can even play on foot!' idea.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out a bit like mercenaries but with a soldiery theme and Flashpoint style plot.

EDIT: Not that I'm saying that's a bad thing n all, I'd prolly go out and buy it if it got good reviews. Just saying, it won't have the OFP flavour to it. No detailed radio command system, no float zone, no obsession with realism..

[opg4740 0]

driving sim?!

you mean we can make Tank race tracks?

I can re-create the old nintendo excitebike tracks with dirt bikes?

I would love a game where people could go online and race cars, trick out cars, and make and install mods on cars.

They could race the cars around tracks and see who really had street cred....

and that game would have AT launchers so I could sit up on a hill and blow them all the hell up...

"Time to un-pimp za auto"

[Guest Ti0n3r]

I expect OFP2 to much better than ArmA. And much more 'fluent'...

[paragraphic l 2]

I'm sure that OFP2 will be more streamlined and stable then ArmA is, but I don't question the ability that BIS has too make ArmA 2 great on pc and consoles Got ArmA, OFP and OFP:E to prove that

[VaiHalen 0]

ok, maybe I was a bit harsh on Codemasters.

While I like competition, I want EVERYONE to play ArmA. I want more servers to pick from, more people to play with, and more MOD options.

OFP and ArmA are the only games that I can "go for a hike" in.

I would love to make mods, missions, hell even maps... but I don't have the time to learn the skill, to devote the time...

So I rely on the game to be SO COOL that people never want to leave and they make more fun stuff to play.

My worries about Codemasters and OFP2 is that it will be a closed system more like BF2.

EA was so busy putting out more crud to buy for BF2 that they never went and fixed any core problems.

The BF2 system was so closed that there was never a mod community.

If we run into any real problems with ArmA.. OFP has shown that the mod community can just write "realism" patches and such and resolve most all of it.

I dont understand your point. I Arma is better and more realistic than OFP2 then no body will stop playing Arma. If OFP2 is as good as Arma then everybody will play both games. If OFP2 is better than Arma in the bearings Arma players like, then everybody and YOU will play OFP2.

[Beagle 684]

driving sim?!

you mean we can make Tank race tracks?

I can re-create the old nintendo excitebike tracks with dirt bikes?

I would love a game where people could go online and race cars, trick out cars, and make and install mods on cars.

They could race the cars around tracks and see who really had street cred....

and that game would have AT launchers so I could sit up on a hill and blow them all the hell up...

"Time to un-pimp za auto"  

And who said that this OFP2 will have a nice and eays mission editor...which is and was the nr.1 reason to buy OFP and ArmA for me...?

[Frantic 0]

I expect OFP2 to much better than ArmA. And much more 'fluent'...

yeah OFP2 has to be better than ArmA, but thats not hard atm...lol

But I hope that ArmA II will be the best revival of good old OFP, so OFP2 was just a short time killer during the waiting time for ArmA II.

I believe that ArmA wasnt the real new game from BIS, they just needed money to continue their work on Game2=ArmA II and at same time they gave the OFP veterans something new to play with.

Ah gaming future looks nice with all the upcoming new online FPS games.

but OFP2 wont have the size of ArmA or even OFP, with their racing engine...but i like to be surprised!

[Longjocks 0]

While I like competition, I want EVERYONE to play ArmA. I want more servers to pick from, more people to play with, and more MOD options.

Everyone playing ArmA is really only up to BIS and their ability to support and improve the product.

[Beagle 684]

I believe that ArmA wasnt the real new game from BIS, they just needed money to continue their work on Game2=ArmA II and at same time they gave the OFP veterans something new to play with.

It was never a secret that ArmA was planned just as a graphical update of the OFP engine... just because it became more makes people ranting now...they obviouisly never get satisfied.

[opg4740 0]

Quote[/b] ]

"I dont understand your point. I Arma is better and more realistic than OFP2 then no body will stop playing Arma. If OFP2 is as good as Arma then everybody will play both games. If OFP2 is better than Arma in the bearings Arma players like, then everybody and YOU will play OFP2. "

I worry that the two games will splinter people, and we won't have a good pool of players in either.

[Bunks 0]

It was never a secret that ArmA was planned just as a graphical update of the OFP engine... just because it became more makes people ranting now...they obviouisly never get satisfied.

Really, just a graphic change? I must have missed that review and got the wrong cover on my 3 games which say something totally different. Not to mention the tons of interviews BIS did claiming so many new features. No wonder why I felt so cheated.

Well, far as im concerned, which ever game comes first gets my money. If they come out the same time, Ill try Codemasters first, since BIS has already screwed me over once with this piece of trash. Got to be fair and give Codemasters a chance to do the same. Im an "equal opportunity to be screwed over customer" gamer by nature.

[Sennacherib 0]

Quote[/b] ]but OFP2 wont have the size of ArmA or even OFP, with their racing engine...but i like to be surprised!

this is not really a racing engine. a 3d engine is just a platform. the programmers decide which game will be on the engine.

but, i'm not sure

Quote[/b] ]I dont understand your point. I Arma is better and more realistic than OFP2 then no body will stop playing Arma. If OFP2 is as good as Arma then everybody will play both games. If OFP2 is better than Arma in the bearings Arma players like, then everybody and YOU will play OFP2.

hum! not sure for that. in my humble opinion. the players will be different, because i bet that ofp2 won't be a "simulation" like arma.

[paragraphic l 2]

I believe that ArmA wasnt the real new game from BIS, they just needed money to continue their work on Game2=ArmA II and at same time they gave the OFP veterans something new to play with.

It was never a secret that ArmA was planned just as a graphical update of the OFP engine... just because it became more makes people ranting now...they obviouisly never get satisfied.

I start to believe that this is something only OFP veterans really understood, costumers who where just looking for a new game when ArmA was released would not have gotten this impression when looking for info about the game.

But yeah in most pre-release interviews ArmA was called OFP 1.5 and only in a few well informed (P)Reviews this was also mentioned.

[Cannon Fodder 0]

In particular reference to the way the 'bigger' publishers treat tactical shooters, I'm inclined to be a little bit suspicious of Codemasters in this instance. I'm expecting a significantly diluted experience.

That said, they did release the original OFP... So I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. As with all unreleased games, a wait and see atttitude is perhaps the best one to adopt.

[bravo 6 0]

I believe that ArmA wasnt the real new game from BIS, they just needed money to continue their work on Game2=ArmA II and at same time they gave the OFP veterans something new to play with.

It was never a secret that ArmA was planned just as a graphical update of the OFP engine... just because it became more makes people ranting now...they obviouisly never get satisfied.

the problem is that with ArmA, BIS lost some old OFP veterans..

And now these same veterans might think ARMA 2 will be very similar to ARMA1.. they can state it looking to the released pics in original ARMA2 web site.

At least they could post something "appeal" instead text.

[dm 9]

the problem is that with ArmA, BIS lost some old OFP veterans..

Blaming ArmA exclusively for the "loss" of community memebers is a very naieve point of view.

The "community" was in decline long before ArmA was released, which is the natural way of things. To expect EVERYBODY who bought OFP to buy ArmA is a logical fallacy.

[bravo 6 0]

The "community" was in decline long before ArmA was released, which is the natural way of things. To expect EVERYBODY who bought OFP to buy ArmA is a logical fallacy.

with that statement your giving me even more rights..

vets got fed with OFP, when ArmA came = total disapointment (for some)

(ARMA2 = (ARMA1 pics + some text)) => ARMA2 (disapointment^2)?

[NoRailgunner 0]

Hey guys - you don't know much about marketing and PR? Open up your eyes and you could complain about many things that are "made for advertising". It's ridiculous to discuss about things that are not released yet! Better discuss how ArmA gets better and better.