Expansion: Arma: Queen's Gambit

[thy_raven 0]

How come A "Booster pack" is being released with things like new islands and weapons when the Original Game still doesn't do what it was originally advertised to do?

Where's my capture the Island (which i bought the game for) and not evolution. instead of releasing something which adds a few extra features at a cost how about fixing what I originally payed for.

I love OFP and i do enjoy arma, i just feel cheated by this. I didn't complain about CTI before, i had faith that BIS would eventually fix it, i had that faith. But now to see Booster packs being release and talk of Arma 2 and OFP 2, it just makes me feel cheated and let down.

I'm just left with the overwhelming impression BIS has jumped ship on Arma and started trying to make money somewhere else. If someone can prove me wrong or show me that BIS are fixing these things, Please please show me, as I'd be delighted to see it. Otherwise, i can't honestly see how the way they have left arma after what it was advertised as isn't illegal.

Just my thoughts on the matter, not intended to cause offense to anyone, if such an offense is caused i apologize in advance, as such was not my intent. I just feel very let down with the faith i put in BIS, and the promises they made.

[Madus_Maximus 0]

It's to get money to actually fix things you know. BIS don't work for free, they're not a mod team. They're employed and as such expect to get paid for their work. They don't have to carry on supporting ArmA from a business stand point as it's out the door and they made their money from it. By supporting it this long they have to spend money on it that could be spent somewhere else, so they made an expansion pack to give them more resources. They're releasing a patch either with or shortly after QG is out to the public that will fix some things, and I'm pretty sure they'll continue to support the game for another patch or two after that once the expansion is out the door and they get the time.

ArmA 2 has been in development before ArmA was even announced or started. Most of the older community members who were around 2-3 years ago at least would know this, and it's not too hard to find things out with a little digging rather than simply assuming things with no proof, but that seems to be a common thing with this community these days, they'd rather put things down based on very little and convince themselves everything will suck after looking at 2 screenshots or something.

Oh and OFP 2 IS NOT made by BIS, it's being made by CODEMASTERS. OFP2 has absolutely nothing to do with BIS. Codemasters own the rights to the name, as is very common with games actually. Very few developers (unless they also publish the games) own the rights to the name. The publishers own that as a sort of insurance policy or to make them see things more their way in terms of content and the like.

Oh and why are you complaining about a user made mission type? Evolution isn't made by BIS, it's made by community members. Blame the community, not BIS for what they play on public MP servers. The CTI BIS made isn't perfect but it's there, blame people for not playing it on the servers rather than complain about BIS for it.

[Pulverizer 1]

Quote[/b] ]They don't have to carry on supporting ArmA from a business stand point as it's out the door and they made their money from it.

But of course they do unless it's a one-off scam. Most people would learn not to buy games from a company that makes shit releases and doesn't even try to fix them afterwards.

[Madus_Maximus 0]

Quote[/b] ]They don't have to carry on supporting ArmA from a business stand point as it's out the door and they made their money from it.

But of course they do unless it's a one-off scam. Most people would learn not to buy games from a company that makes shit releases and doesn't even try to fix them afterwards.

Why do people still carry on to buy EA and Ubi products then?

[thy_raven 0]

i was saying the only playable CTI like mission WAS evolution, I've tried playing BIS's CTI many times and have never managed to finish a game without the server dying. (and no it isn't the server, thats running fine).

I apologise for involving OFP 2 if that is not anything to do with BIS.

Your comment about BIS using the money from QG to fund further patches etc is reassuring. but my problem is, the game i bought from BIS to play CTI on, (as Published and Advertised by BIS before i even bought the game), Still isn't working properly, and doesn't even appear to be nearly finished.

If BIS are Planning on Fixing CTI in their next patch, then i shall be exceedingly happy with them, although i do feel a feature originally advertised is rather overdue in its fixing. Put if BIS is going to continue to release more and more patches which don't fix CTI i shall be further disappointed. If BIS have Put CTI on hold Or even Abandoned it, then I just wanna know, rather than waiting and hoping for something that doesn't seem like its gonna happen, even though i originally spent money on it.

If i Bought a Sports car and it could only reach 25mph when i got it on the road. but i was told by the mechanic after they released another car they might eventually get round to fixing mine but they couldn't give me a time frame, I'd be Taking them to court.

I am not saying BIS should be taken to court my car example is merely to prove a point.

I bought Arma with the faith it would contain what was advertised on the Box, Not that i might have the features advertised on the box over half a year later after they had released more things. It smacks of false advertising.

[Pulverizer 1]

Quote[/b] ]They don't have to carry on supporting ArmA from a business stand point as it's out the door and they made their money from it.

But of course they do unless it's a one-off scam. Most people would learn not to buy games from a company that makes shit releases and doesn't even try to fix them afterwards.

Why do people still carry on to buy EA and Ubi products then?

Well, for one, they have marketing other than the word of mouth and I didn't know they release games still in mid-developement and completely forget about them. I don't know though, don't remember playing any new games from them. Just Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Raven Shield and IL-2, all of which are at least satisfactory quality and have been patched many times.

[froggyluv 2136]

If i Bought a Sports car and it could only reach 25mph when i got it on the road. but i was told by the mechanic after they released another car they might eventually get round to fixing mine but they couldn't give me a time frame, I'd be Taking them to court.

Oh, another new car that cost 60 thousand dollars analogy...

-yes you have a point that they didn't implement a solid CTI mode yet although I've spent hours on user made CTI which were great fun

-no it doesn't prove a point. Extreme analogies weaken your argument rather than strengthen due to their inherent absurdity. I have bought cars that were falsely advertised and that had a very big impact on my entire life- this is a game, no comparison.

[Balschoiw 0]

New info on new BIS webpage on content of QG:

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Two new story based campaigns:

The Rahmadi Conflict: Beautifly designed 3 large missions involving massive battles between the SLA, US and RACS forces within massive fortifications.

Royal Flush: A group of seasoned mercenaries in 7 action/ stealth missions hungry for one dirty goal. Just what is really waiting at the end of the road? New features of this campaign include equipment management including arms merchant.

New Multiplayer Missions:

Urban Raid: Cooperative MP scenario designed for group of 6 battle-hardened Special Forces soldiers.

Battle of Porto: A "capture and hold" scenario for forty players on a brand new and beautiful sandy island of Porto.

New Environments:

Porto Island: designed for smaller multiplayer scenarios and offers perfect environment for intense battles in urban terrain

United Sahrani: United Sahrani contains new structures built since the original story of Armed Assault with dozens of improvements

New Vehicles:

Airplane: DC3, A10*, Su34*

Car: HMMWV Limousine, MG mounted pickups, Motorbikes*

New weapons:

Grenadelauncher: 6G30

Rifles: M16A4*, M16A4 ACOG*, M16A4 GL*, M16A4 ACOG GL*, AK74 PSO1*

Sniper Rifles: M107*, KSVK*

*Included in patch 1.08 with vehicles, planes and weapons released as free updates for ArmA: Armed Assault.

Original ArmA: Armed Assault required to play.

New QG subpage here.

[NoRailgunner 0]

Thanks Balschoiw... and nice webpage BIS!!

Lets go to the "new" facts:

+ 3 large missions (The Rahmadi Conflict)

+ 7 action/ stealth missions (Royal Flush)

+ Porto Island

+ new structures (United Sahrani)

+ DC3, HMMWV Limousine, MG mounted pickups, 6G30

You may convince yourself... 28.09.07 and 14,99 EUR or not

[SeppSchrot 0]

You may convince yourself... 28.09.07 and 14,99 EUR or not

I go for the latter, but thanks for the offer

[xnodunitx 0]

dreadin that humvee limo..nothing like seeing a bastardized version of military equipment for civilian use.

I wonder if the tower seen here http://www.bistudio.com/images...._11.jpg is about the same height as an Arma smoke stack.

[stegman 3]

Thanks Balschoiw... and nice webpage BIS!!

Lets go to the "new" facts:

+ 3 large missions (The Rahmadi Conflict)

+ 7 action/ stealth missions (Royal Flush)

+ Porto Island

+ new structures (United Sahrani)

+ DC3, HMMWV Limousine, MG mounted pickups, 6G30

You may convince yourself... 28.09.07 and 14,99 EUR or not

What use could a Stretched Hummer be? Unless the King and/or Queen will be ridding around in it...

[malick 0]

This Limo Hummer "thing" is not really what I was waiting for, as a generic black limousine would have been better. The DC3 is a good start for a transport plane, but a C130 Hercules would have been a better choice.

The addons packed in QG do not meet the community wishes or even given scenario, or even a realistic order of battle. Why add a huge Sukhoi that even Russia finds hard to afford, when a rusty MiG21/23/27/29 would have found a perfect place in Sahrani ?

Well, I'm glad they have developed some missions and campaigns for that expansion. I guess it's still up to the community for addons and useful features.

Malick

[Dallas 9]

HMMWV Limousine and other vehicles are probably designed specificly for the role they're plaing in the campaigns. If I'm not mistaken it's just a regular Hummer in black paint.

[stegman 3]

If I'm not mistaken it's just a regular Hummer in black paint.

WHAT!? Thats even more dissapointing.

Not even a new model, just an official reskin.

On the plus side i think theres RAC uh60s too (I've seen them in the video)

[Madus_Maximus 0]

Let BIS make the engine, let the community make the addons. That way people get what they want as they're making them themselves. BIS can't 100% please everyone. If they did they'd never get anything done as they'd have to create every single possible configuration of all weapon systems in use since WW2, and maybe even further back.

[malick 0]

Let BIS make the engine, let the community make the addons. That way people get what they want as they're making them themselves. BIS can't 100% please everyone. If they did they'd never get anything done as they'd have to create every single possible configuration of all weapon systems in use since WW2, and maybe even further back.

Of course, you are right on this.

I expect BIS to produce a reasonable quality product (which ArmA is in my opinion) with useable features and reasonable usefulness in game. This also applies to BIS addons in patches. When BIS adds planes from WW1 (Camel), WW2 (DC3) and WW3 (Su33) instead of planes that would have fit the campaign scenario (F16/MiG29/C130), I don't see the point...

Let the community pump out countless addons of varying quality and usefulness. The addonmakers can please everyone and are able to produce whatever they want. BIS is meant to set a standard and open possibilities by creating features and commands.

Malick

[stegman 3]

Let BIS make the engine, let the community make the addons. That way people get what they want as they're making them themselves. BIS can't 100% please everyone. If they did they'd never get anything done as they'd have to create every single possible configuration of all weapon systems in use since WW2, and maybe even further back.

Of course, you are right on this.

I expect BIS to produce a reasonable quality product (which ArmA is in my opinion) with useable features and reasonable usefulness in game. This also applies to BIS addons in patches. When BIS adds planes from WW1 (Camel), WW2 (DC3) and WW3 (Su33) instead of planes that would have fit the campaign scenario (F16/MiG29/C130), I don't see the point...

Let the community pump out countless addons of varying quality and usefulness. The addonmakers can please everyone and are able to produce whatever they want. BIS is meant to set a standard and open possibilities by creating features and commands.

Malick

hear hear

[jasono 0]

Hey All

I was thinking about something while placing an order for Queens Gambit (the single version on its own, not gold), and was thinking if it will work with all ArmA copies? I have Morphicon German copy, and I don't want to get it to find its not compatible with my ArmA version.

Thanks for your help