More Photos Surface in Widening German Skull Scand

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[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Maybe they shouldn't send out 20-year olds to a war.

This isn't the soldiers fault, it's the ones who sent them out.

[EiZei 0]

Maybe they were looking for pirate treasure.

EDIT: If you happen find my skull laying around in say 100 years feel free to do whatever you want with it, I wont mind.

[ran 0]

BTDT, nothing new there. The only difference back in my time is that we had a bit more self-dignity so as not to show our dicks around and digital photo cameras and the web were far from being widespread.

You're being a little too peaceniky there Espectro.

Nothing to talk about there really. I don't see why the german media made so big of a fuss from that. Seems like they want to stir trouble up for the guys down there.

That's not a news item, just cheap sensationalism.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

BTDT, nothing new there. The only difference back in my time is that we had a bit more self-dignity so as not to show our dicks around and digital photo cameras and the web were far from being widespread.

You're being a little too peaceniky there Espectro.

Nothing to talk about there really. I don't see why the german media made so big of a fuss from that. Seems like they want to stir trouble up for the guys down there.

That's not a news item, just cheap sensationalism.

Well, I agree that it isn't a big deal, but I still think some of the guys sent downthere are way too young.

How can you decide if you want to go to war when aged 18 or 19?

A different debate none the less

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]The only difference back in my time is that we had a bit more self-dignity so as not to show our dicks around and digital photo cameras and the web were far from being widespread.

Not trying to condone actions, but the big fuzz is really a bit off.

Bones are remains of former russian soldiers and the afghans don´t give rats about them. They just throw them on piles and that´s how it looks. Imagine a big sandpit with workers throwing the bones away that are hindering their work or surface while digging.

That´s what the location is like.

I hope there will be no big stir-up from the Taleban but as it´s

russian bones they don´t seem to care.

Anyway, superiors have done a shitty job there.

Currently 20 investigations are on the way and 2 have been suspended.

BILD - Zeitung is the uber-rubbish shit-spreader.

Now all kind of meatheads and self-titled experts have their say on the origin of the photos and the psychological backgound.

Better pack their asses one floor higher and go to Afgha themselves.

Those soldiers are at war and dealing with humans remains is daily business. If bones lie around like litter they get kind of inflationary and loose the human touch.

Wonder when I´m gonna get sued for the cow-skull we had at our tank for 3 months...

[Messiah 2]

How can you decide if you want to go to war when aged 18 or 19?

dont join the army?

[AfrographX 0]

What would you think if a couple of young people in germany(or any other Western country) finding a common grave from perhaps WWII, toying around with skulls and posing for fancy photos to show of on the internet?

That's sick. No matter where you are and what profession you have. You don't see coroners making silly photos with corpse neither so why should it be acceptable for soldiers?

Because it's a warzone? Shoudln't soldiers be able to do their job and respect the dignity of other human beings dead or alive?

And after all the German soldiers had a choice before going to Afghanistan. Nobody forced them. If they aren't capable of serving there they should search for another profession.

/there's a difference between a cow or animal skulls in general and human remains

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]there's a difference between a cow or animal skulls in general and human remains

I know but in warzones things tend to mix up.

At some point you just don´t care anymore. That´s how it is all over the world.

[sanctuary 19]

Quote[/b] ]What would you think if a couple of young people in germany(or any other Western country) finding a common grave from perhaps WWII, toying around with skulls and posing for fancy photos to show of on the internet?

That's sick. No matter where you are and what profession you have. You don't see coroners making silly photos with corpse neither so why should it be acceptable for soldiers?

Because it's a warzone? Shoudln't soldiers be able to do their job and respect the dignity of other human beings dead or alive?

And after all the German soldiers had a choice before going to Afghanistan. Nobody forced them. If they aren't capable of serving there they should search for another profession.

/there's a difference between a cow or animal skulls in general and human remains

I agree totally,

Being a "warzone" did not excused this kind of behaviour in the past and does not now.

Here those guys are toying around with human remains, not some stupid cow skull.

That's just plain sick. These guys are a disgrace.

[Garcia 0]

How can you decide if you want to go to war when aged 18 or 19?

dont join the army?

Indeed. And if you live in a country where you have to (Norway, Sweden, Finland...Denmark too? (guess you know that )) I think you get to choose if you want to go abroad or not. At least I could.

I have to agree that the media is making a bit of a fuzz about it, but then again, I find it rather disgusting playing around with bones. I'm not religious and I wouldn't care too much if someone played around with my bones sometime in the future, but I would rather not that someone did, and I think it's decent behaviour to have some respect for human remains...those soldiers are apparently too immature and irresponsible to be sent abroad. But that's just my opinion.

[Donnervogel 0]

Well I'd say anyone who was in the military knows why those things happen. For one those people need to detach themselfs emotionally from such things to be able to kill other people when they have to. Killing people is not so easy for many people if they grew up in a "save" and "civilised" society like western Europe. And joking around with human remains helps a lot to get some emotional distance.

And there's obviously also the "bragging" factor when you put a lot of men together. It is common knowledge that men do many stupid things when they "compete" with each other.

I am not very surprised that this happened. We did a lot of "socially unacceptable" things as well during the conscription service. Although nothing like this. But we haven't been in a war zone then again

I am sure there are a lot of even more tasteless pics around that haven't surfaced (yet).

Now for one I cannot agree with those things and some pics are really tasteless. My civilised self is protesting. But I also find you cannot expect from Soldiers to behave to western European social standards if you send them out to eventually face combat where you want (?) them to kill "the opponent". Soldiers are not diplomats that talk like the Queen herself and wear tidy suits. They are the ones that do the dirty, ugly and disgusting things when diplomacy has failed.

Considering the circumstances in this case I really don't think it is worth a hype. Apparently the Afghans don't give a shit about that. As it looks nobodies feelings got hurt and nobody got tortured or humiliated.

Those soldiers should take more care who they give their pictures to

[Messiah 2]

How can you decide if you want to go to war when aged 18 or 19?

dont join the army?

Indeed. And if you live in a country where you have to (Norway, Sweden, Finland...Denmark too? (guess you know that )) I think you get to choose if you want to go abroad or not. At least I could.

yeah denmark too, although its not quite as simple as 'you're over 18, time to serve' its a bit of a lottery, literally, and even then you can abstain by becoming a conscientious objector, which means you end up doing community service

and in any case i moved to the UK so avoided it altogether, although most of my uncles are in the home gaurd still.

im not sure if you can refuse to go once drafted, but different things in different places.

[Acecombat 0]

They've misspelled CSAR .

But quite a stupid thing on their part to do such a thing AND then photograph it AND then put it on the net for ALL to see. Do these guys deliberately pose and take these pics to stir shit up? I mean they know the backlash from such images is bound to come up on them and further destabilize the region. So why bother do it? If you wanna mess with bones to de-sensitize yourself or whatever from the grueling war then do it privately .... whats the problem in doing it privately? Or keeping the pics private.

I think all soldiers should have their camera and net access ceased , judging by how much crap the media makes out of this and the endless stupid debates its gonna spawn and further incense and icnrease fundamentalistic idiots.

[ran 0]

They've misspelled CSAR .

But quite a stupid thing on their part to do such a thing AND then photograph it AND then put it on the net for ALL to see. Do these guys deliberately pose and take these pics to stir shit up? I mean they know the backlash from such images is bound to come up on them and further destabilize the region. So why bother do it? If you wanna mess with bones to de-sensitize yourself or whatever from the grueling war then do it privately .... whats the problem in doing it privately? Or keeping the pics private.

I think all soldiers should have their camera and net access ceased , judging by how much crap the media makes out of this and the endless stupid debates its gonna spawn and further incense and icnrease fundamentalistic idiots.

You're being a bit rude on the camera and net access points. We're not in the 19th century anymore and it's a pretty nice thing to be able to send e-mails to your familly and bring even more photo souvenirs back for a lower cost and with a certain gain in luggage room. A few bad apples don't mean that you have to throw away the whole basket.

The thing that irritates me about this case and a few other publicised ones is the inability of some thick skulls to keep their shit to themselves. Common sense, in the army like ANYWHERE else is in short supply.

[PainDealer 0]

would there be any fuss if the bones were like dog bones, monkey bones or any other animal... hell no, and that's because human remains used to be someone and animal remains used to be something. human respect is limited to only other humans... that's so sad

@EiZei: You stole my point! (I know coming in late is no excuse)

[ran 0]

The border between the someone and the something gets blurry under certain circumstances

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

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[Garcia 0]

How can you decide if you want to go to war when aged 18 or 19?

dont join the army?

Indeed. And if you live in a country where you have to (Norway, Sweden, Finland...Denmark too? (guess you know that )) I think you get to choose if you want to go abroad or not. At least I could.

yeah denmark too, although its not quite as simple as 'you're over 18, time to serve' its a bit of a lottery, literally, and even then you can abstain by becoming a conscientious objector, which means you end up doing community service

Yeah, sounds very alike the norwegian system. My brother got binned because they felt he didn't see good enough, while I wasn't and have to go serve in January, even though my eyes are worse...so quite a stupid system when it comes to picking new recruits

Quote[/b] ]would there be any fuss if the bones were like dog bones, monkey bones or any other animal... hell no, and that's because human remains used to be someone and animal remains used to be something. human respect is limited to only other humans... that's so sad

I don't think I would like to see people playing around with animalbones either, but I wouldn't make a fuzz about it though And yes, in general, humans care about human remains, but not about animal remains...guess people just don't see playing with their grandmothers bones as the same as playing with their dogs bones.

[Stealth3 0]

They should show more respect then regular people because they are soldiers. They have a big chance of ending up like that, and would they want their reamains to be threated like that?

Its a reason we have cemetaries instead of big holes where we piles bodies and burn them.

[Garcia 0]

Its a reason we have cemetaries instead of big holes where we piles bodies and burn them.

That was mainly because of religion in the past, and nowdays it's either religion or just "tradition". But yes, even though some people wouldn't mind their bones being used for that kinds of things, their relatives probably wouldn't. I wouldn't mind too much people playing with my bones, but I sure as hell would have minded if someone did that to my grandmothers bones...

[oneoff 0]

storm in a tea cup, let him without sin cast the first stone, i would hate to see a video of what goes on in the crematoriums morgues and cemetary behind closed door, this thing happened in all eras , its just the modern age that makes it more likely to be seen by the unaware.

it dont make it right but it certainly dont make it unique either, my own pesronal view is that all this is deflecting from a bigger story somewhere else.

we used to have a saying that todays newpaper is tomorrows chip/french fry wrapper, unfortunately with the advent of the net this story will quoted as an example in arguments to dis germany for years to come its not the photos but how they will be used in future thats the real sad thing about it.

[Journeyman 0]

I never saw the photos, they were removed before I viewed the thread, but any kind of parading with human remains shows a distinct lack of respect for those that can no longer speak for themselves. This is even more so if the deceased remains are of those who lost their lives as young men who had little choice of their fate!

It is about as low as you can go IMO soldiers or not they should know of the offence it will cause and it can’t possibly do them any favours as soldiers either! The fact that some folk won’t mind if someone pisses around with their bones when they are dead and gone is irrelevant, as most people will be appalled by the thought of it.

That is the nature of our society and quite frankly I am glad that is how it is. What would the world be like without any kind of decency or respect?  It’s what separates us as humans from more primitive creatures! Even wild animals don’t piss around with each others bones just for a laugh!

[Messiah 2]

storm in a tea cup, let him without sin cast the first stone, i would hate to see a video of what goes on in the crematoriums morgues and cemetary behind closed door, this thing happened in all eras , its just the modern age that makes it more likely to be seen by the unaware.

one of my longest and dearest friends is a medical student. In the first year of his course they were taken to the morgue to view bodies that had been 'donated' for teaching by families. The notion was that as a person in that field, you're going to come across death alot, and hence you need to cut yourself off from the reality, and see it as something completely different. This body is just an object, it is not a person, not something that was living or breathing, it is just a teaching tool. The, how do i out this, pranks, games etc that they played to 'help' this concept along were pretty grim... there's always the legendary urban tale in his medical school of:

Quote[/b] ]

Medical lecturer takes his students to the morgue, where he unveils a dead body. He turns to his students and says:

"In the medical proffesion the first important thing to learn is not be disgusted or scared of anything that you come across in your time as a doctor"

and with that he takes his finger and slips it in and out of the bodies ass, and then licks his finger.

"Now, I want everyone here to repeat what I did"

whilst the students are tentative at first, they decide that the man is right and that its a helpful way of teaching them to cut off from the idea that this is a dead person, so in turn they all put their finger up his ass and lick it.

"Now, the second most important thing is observation. I put my middle finger in the bodys ass, and licked my index finger."

ok, so its a rather grim tale, but whilst this was obviously a myth, it highlights the 'need' for people in such a job to be able to deal with death as a daily occurance.

if you dont, you'll never survive in an environment where the people you deal with can and will die on you. This is no different to the military... whilst i dont condone the actions of those soldiers, it seems more than likely that these are the actions of those men who have to remove themselves from the idea that this was once a human, or that in combat they may kill someone's brother or someone's husband... if you give it a second thought, they generally wont.

[action man 0]

Quote[/b] ]How can you decide if you want to go to war when aged 18 or 19?

well i don't think they joined the army to go doing gardening