BF2 Criticism and Thoughts

[Stealth3 0]

Although BF2 looks like a great game with nice graphics and large maps, it has its bad points.

It can be obviously be concluded that the game was rushed, and I will point that out later in this post.

Myth ONE: Battlefield 2 is said to feature 100 players on a server at one time. Too bad that out of the maps that they showed it, none feature more than 64 players. Suspicious isn't it? Source: http://www.totalbf2.com/game/maps/

So the question is: How many maps will feature 100 players if any? Im pretty sure the game won't be released with 30+ maps, so if out of 12 none feature 100 players, what is the possibility of 100 player maps. It seems in the latest interview, the developer kept on bragging about the "100 players on a server". We haven't seen anything YET, so time will tell. Im pretty sure you will see 100 players on a server in BF2 when pigs fly.

BF2 is the last game you would want to buy if your aiming for realism action. As it was said by the developers, BF2 will feature a "rock-paper-sissors" system. Now lets not go into all the things they did get wrong, like inaccurate weapons, etc.

Now, whats up with the medic. For those of you with "half a brain", you would know the defibrillator is used in hospitals to release people from heart blockout. Usually when somebody has a heart attack. It shocks the muscles and gives the heart another start. Thats the best solution DICE found to give to medics for their medic pack. :rolleyes: You will see the defibrillator in action on a real battlefields when pigs fly. Unless all the soldiers are 60 year old known to have heart attacks... :laugh:

Ok, so whats up with the armor system. To my knowledge, soldiers carry the same flak jacket regardless of rank or what their role is. Ex: machinegunner, soldier, medic, etc. Except for the sniper which might carry different uniform and body armor. Why isn't that in BF2? Why does the assult guy take more damage than a medic?

Not to mention that DICE didn't even bother to record realistic sounds for weapons, or find their value of penetration to implement in games. Even counter strike source has that!

The vehicles will all be balanced and the M1 will equal the T90 and so forth. Im also expecting to shoot 3 times at a tank to blow it up. :laugh: Uhm well thats not really true in real life and even for a game its stupid if you ask me.

This game is said to feature "modern" equipment. Well the AH64 is newer than the "Cobra" yet added the cobra is added instead.

Now to prove that the game was rushed: There is no COOP feature in it, no campaign, and in the skirmish single player, there are only 16 bots to go against. The question is: Is this the best DICE can do? Altough more than half of the community wants COOP support, there is none.

So what would you be playing? Same old, repeating and predictive conquest.

In conclusion, do not just rush and waste 50$ on this game. Play the demo, and if you like it, by all means buy it. Don't waste your money like that. All your doing is making EA/DICE rich for a job thats probably lamely done

[Extremeus Decimus 0]

I agree, but that's always been a point about the BF series, just unrenting, totally unrealistic action, basicly a mindless shooter with vehicles thrown in the mix, and it seems you need a rather high-spec system to play it with 64 players..never mind the suspected 100..that'd put the servers under alot of strain, basicly if you like realism, BF is not the game franchise to get.

[Stealth3 0]

There is no more 100 players anymore. They just couldn't do it so they canceled it.

[MrZig 0]

But if you like to have some quick action and good fun, BF2 is the game to get :o)

I'm looking forward to it, and I'm also looking forward to OFP2. I'm not a realistic fanboy who bans all unrealistic games to hell, because I buy games to have entertainment.

If I have an AH-1 cobra instead of an AH-64 Apache in BF2, who the hell cares, it blows stuff up! And that's fun!

On the other hand, a game that STRIVES for realistic measures like OFP and OFP2, would probably want everything from gun recoil to the penetration of an M1a1 abrams shell to be modeled realistically as possible.

I enjoy both types of genres because both are unique in their own way.

BF2 is looking quite decent and I think I'll buy it when it goes down in price a lil bit or I can bring back some games for it, because a game like that only lasts for a few months if not weeks at a time, while OFP has lasted for years.

[ralphwiggum 6]

just for the record, old BF2 thread

http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....;st=135

[Heatseeker 0]

The USMC uses the cobra, not the apache .

I think the game looks great... but im not really interested in it and im not buying it, it doesnt seem to offer enough has a game. SP, realism and coop are very important features .

[kerosene 0]

It'll be better than joint ops, the 100 player games on that never actually seemed to end, 64 isn't a bad number at all.

Have you actually played a beta or something?

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Now to prove that the game was rushed: There is no COOP feature in it, no campaign, and in the skirmish single player, there are only 16 bots to go against. The question is: Is this the best DICE can do? Altough more than half of the community wants COOP support, there is none

Thats the whole point of the BF series though!

With the commander role used properly and people playing seriously, it could be very good, but it'll probably just get ignored, that'll be the worst thing.

[Guest Ti0n3r]

We all know that BF2 is Flashpoint for kids, right?

But I think I'll buy it anyway...

[SpongeBob 0]

Now, whats up with the medic.  For those of you with "half a brain", you would know the defibrillator is used in hospitals to release people from heart blockout.  Usually when somebody has a heart attack.  It shocks the muscles and gives the heart another start.  Thats the best solution DICE found to give to medics for their medic pack.   :rolleyes:  You will see the defibrillator in action on a real battlefields when pigs fly.  Unless all the soldiers are 60 year old known to have heart attacks...  :laugh:

Remember in TeamFortress Classic the medic had a med pack and if you "use" the med pack on an enemy, he would be infected. In BF2, if you manage to sneak up behind an enemy, can you "use" the defibrillators to kill him?

[Daniel 0]

Yeah you can

You can also unlock novelty items like piano wires for getting so many kills etc.

[DracoPaladore 0]

Oh wow, like I havn't heard this before.

I don't care about realism, the fligth dynamics, the physics model, the ability to point and click my navigational waypoints on my airplanes flight navigational system or some such. That's why there are games like Operation Flashpoint, IL2, LockOn and so on. When I feel like jumping into a more realistic and dynamic model for a game, I'll play one of those. I have IL2 and OFP on my computer, as well as BFV Doom3 and HL2.

Though, the lack of COOP is upsetting. Me and my brother play BFV together alot.

A little fun never hurt, and it's a game I'm looking forward to getting. As well as OFP2, and other games.

[Airbourne Alchaholic 0]

Seriously, i think the BF series lost its "seriousness" with Secret Weapons of WW2. If you've seen the opening vid you'll know what I mean.

But who the hell cares! It's a great idea (if you have the PC to run it).

Personally I would find it hilarious to sneak up on someone and hit them with the defibrillators and see them flying in the air, if it was implemented in the game.

I also think that it's a good trophy game, show it off to ya' mates!

The only thing i can really slap BF2 for is the system requirements, check this:

Quote[/b] ]Target Minimum Specification Machine:

1.7 Ghz CPU

512 Megabytes of RAM

128 MB video card (must support 1.4 shaders)

Recommended Specification Machine:

2.66 Ghz CPU

1024 Megabytes of RAM

256 MB video card

I don't know about you, but how many PCs come with a 512mb ram standard? And the recommended is 1GB!!

[Stealth3 0]

I have 1.5 GB so Im set. But Im pretty sure I won't waste my money on it

[SFWanabe 0]

I personally only play BF1942 and BF:V when I'm mad and want to TK a whole bunch of 12 year olds. But other than that I really think BF1942 and BF:V really arent realistic and anyone who says they are is asking for a beatdown by loyal OFP fans. So unless BF2 has some serious changes and the Dev has taken they're time (which I doubt) then BF2 will not be any better than BF1942 and BF:V.

[Apollo 0]

Persoannly i am of the oppinion that bf1942 sucked ,for the same reasons why most of the people hate it here ,lack of realism.Though im not saying that that part of the fps community doesn't deserve a run and gun shooter ,it's thx to games like bf1942 that Ofp still has a quite mature community.

That said however ,seeing bf1942 purely as a platform ,it's not impossible to mod the game and make it realistic ,in fact some mods of Bf1942 looked actually quite good and realistc ,because there was a segment in that community that wanted a more realistic game.I know atleast one BF1942 mod that looked very nice for a realism gamer ,almost worth to buy the crappy vanilla game just for that mod.

Vanilla Bf1942 sucks for realism fans ,but the engine and platform are technicly quite competent ,so with extensive modding work it can be molded in a nice game IMO ,from the realism gamer point of view.

As to enforce my point ,you should check out this Bf1942 mod:

Forgotten hope

If you take the time to learn what this mod is (and i never actually played it) ,you should be impressed by the sheer volume of tanks and weaponry included.This team claims to have added many touches of realism ,as for ex FH has armor penetration value's. (something even OFP is lacking)

My point being ,don't by vanilla BF1942 when it's just out as a realism gamer ,it will suck for you ,rather wait till good mods come out and the price of the game only a 4th of what it once was ,you actually get a fairly good game for a cheap price then ,maybe still not gaming nirvana ,but worth it's cost in quality.

[MrZig 0]

I think BF1942's, BF:V's and soon to be released BF2's lack of realism is the choice of the developers, not lazyness. They probably wanted it to be an exciting quick action game for when you want to have quick exciting fun. That's all games are for, right? Fun. Some people like arcade-shoot 'em up games, and some like the tactical strategy games.

Of course, this being a forum based on a tactical strategy game I can see how most of the people will shit all over BF2 because it lacks realism, but I think it looks quite entertaining and would give me much enjoyment.

[Daniel 0]

That Forgotten Hope Mod has a really nice site, I've never played any BF games personally

[Apollo 0]

Well ,if someone here sometimes complain about certain aspect's of Ofp ,often many people will reply: If you want it differently you can mod it!

Ofp has that freedom and flexibilety ,but a game as the BF series have similar flexibilety i think ,so if we don't like vanilla Bf1942 ,we should just mod it.Actually ,that was what a lot of BF1942 players did out of the frustration of vanilla Bf1942 being so arcade ,on the other hand some addon maker in the Ofp community have realesd addons to that rather dumned down the game a bit for own pleasure.

Take HL as ex. ,and compare a mod like Day of Defeat with Counterstrike ,the difference in gameplay is very different ,and it's not because people don't enjoy CS that they won't enjoy DoD ,and i think a lot of players here can relate to that.

In the end ,for modding community's concerns ,only the core engine really is determinal ,games can be modded the way you like granted the limitatations of the engine ,but games like BF1942 and Ofp have somewhat similar performance's in the engine area ,it's only the game around the engine that is so much different.

[Apollo 0]

Daniel @ June 04 2005,01:00)]That Forgotten Hope Mod has a really nice site, I've never played any BF games personally  

I only tried the demo ,never bought the game. But i think something can be made of the Bf1942demo + FH mod ,if youre not to shy for some reverse engineering.  

edit: sry shoulda edited previous post ,thought i did that but accidently made a rply.

[Stealth3 0]

Guys, guys, since this debate is getting cool, join the real fun.

Join the debate in a bf2 forum.

There are 5 pages of flames, and each acting dumber than the previous. Its very fun messing with a bunch of loyal bf fans

The thread was just moved to offtopic for proving my point. Here it is:

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Please refrain from posting the link again, and please do not ask members here to go to the other forum to cause trouble, or this thread will be closed down.

Thanks.

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

Do you know what really sucks about OFP i can't shoot and jump at the same time, i cant ride on the wing of my mates plane and parachute onto an enemy carrier and blow up all their planes etc etc.

If you bought BF:1942, BF:V or you're going to buy BF:2 and expect it to be some sort of substitute for OFP then you need to be shot, BF has so many great parts especially the fun factor and the sheer comedic value, who cares about the weapons if your having fun? if your really that anal about a game then go back to OFP.

99% of the critisisms on BF2 are part of the game design, BF2 has never been a game to compete with OFP so why people on this forum bicker like it should be is really beyond me.

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

I liked forgotten hope

[DracoPaladore 0]

I liked forgotten hope

I used to play it alot. Bu I kinda lost touch with the whole World War 2 theme after awhile. Didn't really interest me.

[Airbourne Alchaholic 0]

I though Forgotten Hope to be an excllent mod that re equalized the realism/fun aspects of BF1942.

But TBH I agree with Monkey, if you just want to go all Die Hard Private Winston Churchill guns blazing go for the BF series. I've fallen out of my seat laughing more than once at some point while playing the game (such as a full team of VC charging a tank with mechetes or blaring "Ride of the Valkiries" on a moped while storming a heavily armoured position on BFV).

I'm not saying OFP isn't fun, but the lack of seriousness with the BF series wins me over every time. And let's look at things, the only reason OFP keeps on going is because of dedicated mod makers, and the engine's flexibility. While on the other side, the BFs have proven they can live on just a few popular mods (like Desert Combat).

[Victor_S. 0]

I dont believe the part about only 16 bots. That is less than BF1942. I dont think they would take a step backwards.