European Politics Thread.

[chrisb 196]

but press and mainstream media became education source for many people and later my friend who visits Australia on business trip hears that he has blood on his hands

for many people TV, press is only education they have (school teaches us not history but math, physics, orthography, biology, chemistry most often and if history than mostly our own nation so Austrialian is taugh about Australia history, Croat about Croatian history, Thai about Thailand, rest is from press and from time to time from Discovery Channel if one has cable TV )

so informations presented in media shape people knowledge and voting as well,

and historical knowledge in school is least important , cause it will not give job, so people in school focus on IT or other skills which will give them money in future , chemistry and biology if person tends to be doctor,

but historical knowledge is from mainstream press, mainstream TV, unless someone doesn't focus on studying history ,

average person builds his opinion on press and tv information, cause in school he was taught only about his own country plus mostly on job-required skills such as IT, technology and later such person can say "let Poles pay Jews for holocaust if they built death camps" cause such average person has no idea about WW2 but he is skilled forklift operator and voter

when you look at number of students in my country than:

- Chemistry,

- Mechatronics,

- Biotechnology,

- Telecomunication,

- IT

- Psychology,

- Environment protection

- Economy

- human health and beauty care,

- Math

- Geodesy and Cartography,

- Filology and foreign languages

- robots and automats,

- architecture,

- transporatation and logistics

- journalism,

- electrotechnic,

- nurse and medicine,

- mechanics and machines are most popular dept of university

people know how to program CNC machine, people know what is C2H2OH+NHSi4 reaction or this:

http://www.matematyka.pl/latexrender/pictures/0/5/05404f13fa36e88d44636524c5a9f4e6.pngbut other things they know from press

But where knowledge/learning is concerned, we have books. But better still, we now have the internet.. O.k. not the best source for everything. But when, and if you look, there are many other views about topics, from different perspectives, which is good. In school, not sure about recently, but when I went to school (long time ago), we learned a fair bit about history, probably going back too far i.e. not all was relevant for us and our lives, but still.

Where WW2 is concerned, I learned a lot from family members who served or lived through the war. Talking too, or reading normal peoples views, is interesting. What they saw or thought and also what they read at the time in their papers (propaganda mostly). Their thoughts on it afterwards, because at the time many would have thought it must be propaganda, then found out later, it was. What did they think/feel.

Regards WW2, its an interesting subject, the more you look into it, the stranger it becomes. We may live through a WW3, so our own experiences, may be those that people read many years ahead, should we bother to write down what we see, think, feel and do.

Of course we hope we don't have to live through WW3, but they didn't want to live through WW2 either. Anyway wondering off topic now. :p

[vilas 477]

But where knowledge/learning is concerned, we have books.

average person returns from job, prepares dinner, kiss kids, asks kids how was today in school, wife prepares dinner, man starts watching football news,

than they sit , eat dinner, than they take pilot from TV and turn on TV and if not TV than they go to gym, bodybuilding, take beer , some go to dance a little, wife goes to care about kids, man goes to bodybuilding facility and thats how average people live, they do not look for books about WW2,

they read mainstream press when they look for forecast, they see TV informations when they wait for movie or sitcom or another broadcast like "look how celebrities dance",

most of TV is focused on dancing, crime-stories 45 minutes serie, sitcoms,

channels like discovery are watched by small number, of course people like mythbusters when they blow up mannequin,

things you say are about 1 maybe 5% of society,

mainstream media informations are only source of knowledge for majority, now internet play big role but among young generation,

mostly people if read anything, it is "celebrity life" magazine about which actor married which actress, than those people meet someone and say he is responsible for holocaust,

what books people read ? 50 shades of Grey, Harry Potter, Lord of Rings or The Catcher in the Rye 10 years ago,

in 36 milion society series about "love soap operas" such as "L like Love" sitcome has 12 milion of constant watching public, so 1/3 of society (including all society, kids, elder people, working age people) watch one soap opera every day, do they watch at least Discovery (you must pay extra for such channel if you have cable tv at all ) ? no

they are voters, they have their knowledge from everydays news at 7PM in one or second TV channel cause after it will be "celebrity splash" "dancing celebrity" or another Jean Claud Van Damme kicked Arnold Schwartzenegger movie,

people return back from job tired, they want to eat dinner, maybe sleep a little, maybe walk with dog, hug cat, kiss kids

on majority of TV channels in my cable tv i have mostly sitcoms, soap operas, crime stories, cartoons, fitness, cooking channels,

i had to pay more to buy discovery some time ago, but than i resigned from having TV at all but most of people use internet to watch redtube

http://qz.com/367487/goodbye-math-and-history-finland-wants-to-abandon-teaching-subjects-at-school/

not only they have such idea to remove history from school cause "who need this"

indeed when you search for ideal worker, happy slave, you do not need him to know history cause than he notices if mistake is repeated or he unify with his local society against corporation from other place, none of it is good for those who rule us and for those who want to sell us their products or even convince us to fight for them

crimes in North Korea ? majority of people on this planet doesn't know too much about it,

Unit 731 maybe 1 permile knows, in far Asia maybe 10%

ask who is wife of David Beckham - all world knows

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[sudayev 27]

Sharing the guilt for millions people that died at the hands of German people is part of their - Geschichtspolitik aka whitewashing. It's characteristic to aspiring hegemonies who can't swallow a bitter truths about well documented shameful past. Hitler indeed was "a great leader" and thought of Germany well, he had a romantic vision of German master race ruling the entire Europe, he deliberately placed the most effective factories of death outside Germany - allowing him to blame other nations for what was going on, moreover at some point they stopped using German hands and replaced them with eastern collaborator for dirtiest jobs like keeping order and "production" in death camps. Using word nazi, solely is wrong. It detaches the national factor. The Nazi were Austro-German and whole population supported them at large. Now many say - we were against. Yeah...Where were they when my old aunt was a slave working for rich German families.

Where were they when my grandpa was a slave worker on German farm in Ukraine (these were not Ukrainian farms - they were German!). They always treated them like dogs and showed off in front of their neighbors who laughed at these poor children. None of them threw a slice of proper food to keep them working with full strength.

That was the reality with everyone proud of Adolf Hitler. After the Soviets crushed Hitler army, all these Germans were saying - No, no, Hitler kaputt. We hated Hitler. Hitler was bad, we never hailed him! Just A two years earlier these pathetic liars were praising the fuhrer for all the good they were receiving, almost like a worshiping a living god.

Now after the war it looks like the NSDAP were on their own, an evil band - out of nowhere that took the whole country. Germans like criticize Vladimir Putin for his revisionism besides looking on their own. Hypocrites. Nevertheless both German and Russian revisionism hits Poland by the ricochet. A buffer between two most powerful countries in Europe - Germany and Russia who never wanted seeing it Independent and strong.

People are dumb these days, they don't think, they don't read books, they think in slogans seen on the TV and website headlines. A lie told often enough becomes the truth! In 50 years people may seriously believe that the holocaust was organized by Poles if aggressive German whitewashing will be in effect.

I wonder why no one says about Dutch, Estonian, Latvian, Belarussian, Austrian death camps? This play of words creates a very dangerous precedent paving the way for telling lies and further criminal activities.

In this world where an average Joe - can't point his fucking town on map - THIS IS REALLY DANGEROUS. I was shocked when I came to the the US and people were asking me if people ride horses instead of here? Does communists still rule? How it is to live in a communist country. I spent many hours educating them and showing the right image, I don't blame them (I blame faulty education system and stereotype driven media) because they were very interested and eventually excused me for bullshit they were telling me first. People in the UK were no better, one example - they didn't know that both Polish and Czech pilots did big time saving their country from German airplane attacks...

Please watch this 2014 documentary carefully. It exposes the obscenity of Holocaust denial. It's also about Brits who kept in shadow original material this film is based on and how someone in the western Europe cared not to blame Germans for Holocaust. We still have to struggle with that, there is also this "holocaust extortion" linked with that but that's another story...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPukz3rttrk

Edited June 17, 2015 by Sudayev

[vilas 477]

and who gave information about how Enigma encrypting machine works, and who gave informations to Churchill about death camps, and who brought informations about V2 which were ignorred etc.

of course average Joe knows from Hollywood version it was US intel or UK intel , not Polish underground,

and average Joe votes, average Joe meets people and like friend of mine in Australia - asks "how do you feel with Jews blood on your hands"

[chrisb 196]

average person returns from job, prepares dinner, kiss kids, asks kids how was today in school, wife prepares dinner, man starts watching football news,

than they sit , eat dinner, than they take pilot from TV and turn on TV and if not TV than they go to gym, bodybuilding, take beer , some go to dance a little, wife goes to care about kids, man goes to bodybuilding facility and thats how average people live, they do not look for books about WW2,

they read mainstream press when they look for forecast, they see TV informations when they wait for movie or sitcom or another broadcast like "look how celebrities dance",

most of TV is focused on dancing, crime-stories 45 minutes serie, sitcoms,

channels like discovery are watched by small number, of course people like mythbusters when they blow up mannequin,

things you say are about 1 maybe 5% of society,

mainstream media informations are only source of knowledge for majority, now internet play big role but among young generation,

mostly people if read anything, it is "celebrity life" magazine about which actor married which actress, than those people meet someone and say he is responsible for holocaust,

what books people read ? 50 shades of Grey, Harry Potter, Lord of Rings or The Catcher in the Rye 10 years ago,

in 36 milion society series about "love soap operas" such as "L like Love" sitcome has 12 milion of constant watching public, so 1/3 of society (including all society, kids, elder people, working age people) watch one soap opera every day, do they watch at least Discovery (you must pay extra for such channel if you have cable tv at all ) ? no

they are voters, they have their knowledge from everydays news at 7PM in one or second TV channel cause after it will be "celebrity splash" "dancing celebrity" or another Jean Claud Van Damme kicked Arnold Schwartzenegger movie,

people return back from job tired, they want to eat dinner, maybe sleep a little, maybe walk with dog, hug cat, kiss kids

on majority of TV channels in my cable tv i have mostly sitcoms, soap operas, crime stories, cartoons, fitness, cooking channels,

i had to pay more to buy discovery some time ago, but than i resigned from having TV at all but most of people use internet to watch redtube

http://qz.com/367487/goodbye-math-and-history-finland-wants-to-abandon-teaching-subjects-at-school/

not only they have such idea to remove history from school cause "who need this"

indeed when you search for ideal worker, happy slave, you do not need him to know history cause than he notices if mistake is repeated or he unify with his local society against corporation from other place, none of it is good for those who rule us and for those who want to sell us their products or even convince us to fight for them

I think your assessment is probably very near the mark. Who cares what goes on in the world provided we ourselves and our families are o.k. A case of 'I'm all right Jack'.

I was the same, well no, but similar ;) when younger and with my family and own business. It is a case of looking after those that matter. But as you get older you get more cynical I feel. You start to look at things more closely, things start repeating themselves, events etc. So you question more, probably because you have more time and less commitments. The family have grown up, got married and now have their own families, which are of course still our family, but without so much of the concern involved as before. They find their own way in life.

Learning is for the individual, if he/she wants to learn, then they can. But to take everything from mainstream media is not going to give you a true look at the world. However, I or indeed you, can't do anything about that. People will believe what they want to believe, so that's for them to make whatever decisions in life they want to make, based on those beliefs.

If those people writing the news can't get facts straight, then what can we do to stop them writing, complain, gets no one anywhere nowadays. Try and correct a media outlet, virtually impossible, even if you get to talk to a human at that outlet and not a recording. They are not concerned because as you say, they are those people you describe, looking out for themselves and their families.

The really sad part is, its because of that lack of interest that things like death camps become reality. We stop questioning what those that govern do. But at the same time, we are not the ones perpetrating the crime, even though unknowingly or unwittingly being associated to the crime in some way.

We're guilty of being ignorant, self absorbed, selfish and so on. But we're not the murderers, even though we may have put those that do/did, in a position to carry out such crimes. The blood is still on their hands, not ours, because at that point they stop acting on our behalf and start acting on theirs.

[vilas 477]

However, I or indeed you, can't do anything about that. People will believe what they want to believe,

i do, i fight when someone say about Polish death camps, no matter Batto called me nationalist ;)

because i believe that it is worth fighting for because i do not want to hear that my grandfathers are responsible for it

We're guilty of being ignorant, self absorbed, selfish and so on

not exact, but when people work all day, than they have to prepare dinner, do shopping, than they are tired and simply want to see sitcom and go to sleep,

most of us work 8 hours daily, some 12 hours daily, some of us spend 1 hour on travelling to job, some spend 2 hours in traffic jam,

if we have kids than time is more limited, so we do not have time to read anything except forecast to check if we need warm or light clothes

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why such important for us?

in WW2 Poland lost nearly every fourth citizen, USSR lost nearly every fifth

it is not like other countries who lost 1% or 2%,

we lost every fourth-fifth person in Poland and USSR

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[spooky lynx 73]

when in polls Germans, Frenchmen, Italians say they are against NATO intervention if Poland or Lithuania is attacked by Russia

Don't you think it is because they realize that both Polish and especially Lithuanian governments are just US puppets and can drive their countries to hell if Uncle Sam orders? And they simply don't want to be token-money in Russian-US tensions.

BTW Vilas I understand your anger about 'polish death camps' but that's just a part of history revision done via Overton window method. First part of it was leveling of USSR and Germany, Soviet and German regimes of that times. "Polish death camps" is next stage. About 40-50 years ago most people would answer that Red army done most of the work of crushing Wehrmacht. Now many say that it were 'Allies' that saved the world and USSR was something like Nazis.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Spooky Lynx

[doveman 7]

I think it was a documentary called "Shoah part 1" which I saw fairly recently and was very revealing about the contempt and jealousy Polish people had towards Jews around the time of WW2. That doesn't mean that current Poles bear any responsibility for what happened back then of course and hopefully such attitudes are no longer common or acceptable but it raises the same question that gets levelled against German citizens who said they didn't support what happened "what did you do to oppose it?" and in many cases it seems they were only too glad to see the Jews gone so that they could move into their homes. I wonder whether the heirs of those Jews have been compensated for their appropriated property, which Germany has done in large part at least?

[vilas 477]

what people did to oppose ?

do you see difference between country that is occupied and fights (underground resistance) and and country that is not occupied ?

if you do not know than read about General Government and death punishment for helping Jew during WW2 that was here,

and compensation - if German bomber plane destroyed building than what Poles can compensate ? nothing

Gemans already compensated it afaik, so it was compensated already,

some part of their property which was not destroyed was confiscated by comies indeed, not talking that 60% of commies who ruled Poland after WW2 were Jews and Russians, than we also fought communism, and lots of people died after WW2 when Poles were opposing communism , we had civil war after WW2 here if you do not know, so what we did to oppose :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communist_resistance_in_Poland_(1944%E2%80%9346)

to know Polish-Jewish relation you should study history deeper, deeper than XX century,

in XV century when all Europe accused Jews of leprosy , Polish king gave them shelter,

so we rescued them in XV century ,

what happened in XVIII and XIX century ?

Poland was occupied by Russia and Germany , guess who was cooperating with Russian Tsar administration, guess who was agents of Ochrana ,

Poland (if you do not know history of this country) was occupied since 1780s-1918 by 3 empires, Tsar Empire, Prussian/German Empire, Austro-Hungarian Empire,

we were divided for 123 years, main cooperators of Russian administration were Jews , the same Jews which we helped 200 years earlier when whole medival Europe was slaughtering them accusing of leprosy in medival Europe,

so we helped them and they stab us knife in our back, so those things have deeper historical roots than 70 years, it has 500 years roots, it was not that in 1939 someone woken up "oo sun is not shining , so i do not like Jews"

a lot of Polish property was confiscated during Tsar Regime in XIX century (because Poles ogranized uprisings against Tsar as result thousands of Poles were sent to Siberia by Russian Tsar ), and this property was given to those who cooperated with Tsar , guess who

those things are of course hard and politically not correct, but thats how it looks from historical point of view,

i know that talking about what happened in 1832, 1865 is in 2015 strange, but in 1938 it was not that far away, it was 3-4 generations only,

WW2 changed a lot of things, a lot of people fought with evil of nazism and communism, now those people are being called "also responsible" ?

and it is sad because some groups want to earn money,

there are always in all societies people like this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3853395/Good-Samaritan-can-be-sued-after-pulling-friend-from-car-wreckage.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear:_US_Special

http://img5.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201009/1284735629_by_kaju_600.jpg

people who get help sue those who helped them , it happens

with any nation , thats why such shout playing victim cards cause some people see opportunity to earn some money on tragedy from past,

just 2 example : TV donated car to people who lost all,

someone rescued person from accident,

it happens cause some percent of people are greed and some people would like to get compensation for compensation after compensation,

you can see it in the west when you rescue someone from war , give someone shelter and refugee status and he sues you cause food was not halal,

what happened in Canada some time ago ?

Canada helped several refugees from Middle East , what those refugees did ? they sued Canada for getting not halal food

or it was USA

strange isn't it?

probably documentary which you seen was focusing on history of WW2 only, not looking deeper, why ? cause Jews love to be always victim,

many many many many nations have black cards in their history, there are good and evil people in all nations,

but some nations are getting angry and denying if you tell they had evil people inside of them (in my nation some people still deny how our grand grand grand grand fathers treated Ukrainian slaves in XVII century, all bad relations with Ukrainians was because our Polish nobles were treating Ukrainian slaves very badly, because back than there was slavery in the world and our nobles were commiting a lot of crimes, but during feudalism era human life was not valued at all, only noble life was valued and our nobles were keeping slaves longer than any other European kingdom and it was Russian Tsar who gave slaves freedom in XIX century while in France since revolution in 1790s there was no formal slavery, in Prussia slavery was deleted in 1811, in occupied by Russia Polish territory in 1862 and Polish nobles were against it of course) and deny anything which is not "bright"

you know what was reaction on Jewish forum when one Jew wrote that they also had crimes in their history ?

all called him traitor, some whished him death cause Talmud says this: https://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/jewras.htm

this guy on Jewish forum simply said that Jews cooperated with Stalin administration and were in NKVD,

there were no other voices criticizing it, there were voices calling him traitor that should die,

those people on that forum that i rememeber were absolutely not accepting that single Jew could commit any evil act cause "they are chosen by God"

so this is politically not correct clarification of history ,

if someone believes he is chosen by God than what he differs from those who think about their supremacy of Giants Race mythology ?

first thing to build any good relation between ethnic groups is removing "supremacy" ideas and "gods that chosen us not you",

history is not simple black-white image only, history is complicated and often things that we least expect or least accept are real

so maybe it clarified to you time around WW2 and those relations which we had here

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edit:

examples we know that good and bad people are in every nation, it is natural, every nation contains decent , honest, helping people and criminals,

but for example in many interviews with few important people representing Jewish society in Poland they were telling that there were no Jews commiting crimes,

for example offciall data shows this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Public_Security_(Poland)

Jews were 40-50% of leading commie aparatus of terror, 18.7% of serving in commie security forces, although they were < 1% of our society,

what say Jewish officials in interview ? Marek Edelman, survivor of Ghetto Uprising said in one interview "maybe 10 maximum 100 Jews were serving it, 95% were Poles", how can it be called ?

official data say they were 40-50% among leaders of communist violence and terror aparatus, they were 18.7% of serving there and he says they were less than permile

so this is what this Shoah part 1 movie is worthy

and if this movie shows Poles as antisemitic than how it rely to fact that from over 30 milions o Poles zero were serving in SS, and from maybe 10 milions of Dutch neraly 50 000 served in SS as volunteers ?

studying data about foreign legions of SS show who was really not tollerant and now in XXI century people try to revert it, capsize it, cause they cannot accept their past in the west so they look for bad deeds in the east ?

who was leading in eugenics ? whole major western countries including american continent countries were pushing eugenics before WW2

such documents in fact show only chosen facts, not whole view,

it is like showing on and on and on and on one example of criminal act in one city saying that this city is dangerous, while in other cities crime rate is 3-5 times higher,

Edited June 18, 2015 by vilas

[vilas 477]

another WW2 story

how all Polish gold reservers disappeared in first weeks of WW2,

circa 75 tonnes of gold which was in Polish treasury disappeared in France, UK, Germany,

http://www.bibula.com/?p=76308

http://www.forbes.pl/porwane-zloto-ii-rp-co-sie-stalo-z-polskim-zlotem-,artykuly,135909,1,1.html

http://wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,101562,10143353,Historia_polskiego_zlota__Jest_warte_miliardy__ale.html

http://www.fronda.pl/a/gdzie-przepadlo-polskie-zloto,43257.html

Poland was most robbed country of WW2, question is who now has our gold reserves robbed during WW2

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=153366

1 kg of gold is 38 000 USD

i talk about 75 tonnes of stolen gold 2,85 bilion dollars

no only every fourth-fifth man was killed here, but also all our treasury was stolen probably also by allies and 80% of buildings were destroyed

Edited June 18, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

another WW2 story

how all Polish gold reservers disappeared in first weeks of WW2,

circa 75 tonnes of gold which was in Polish treasury disappeared in France, UK, Germany,

http://www.bibula.com/?p=76308

http://www.forbes.pl/porwane-zloto-ii-rp-co-sie-stalo-z-polskim-zlotem-,artykuly,135909,1,1.html

http://wyborcza.biz/biznes/1,101562,10143353,Historia_polskiego_zlota__Jest_warte_miliardy__ale.html

http://www.fronda.pl/a/gdzie-przepadlo-polskie-zloto,43257.html

Poland was most robbed country of WW2, question is who now has our gold reserves robbed during WW2

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=153366

1 kg of gold is 38 000 USD

i talk about 75 tonnes of stolen gold 2,85 bilion dollars

no only every fourth-fifth man was killed here, but also all our treasury was stolen probably also by allies and 80% of buildings were destroyed

Well I guess the Germans stole it and then later either the Soviets, or the west allies liberated it. In both cases Poland is unlikely to ever get it back. In my opinion Poland is the most cheated country in WW2.

Assaulted by the Germans, stabbed in the back by the Russians, Polish soldiers used for all kinds of very dangerous operations, again betrayed by the Soviets during the Warschaw uprising, sold out by the west allies to the Soviets, purged and enslaved by the Soviets. Poland has had it rough.

[vilas 477]

Polish patatroopers division/brigade of Sosabowski were organized to help Warsaw Uprising in 1944, instead of this they were dropped to defend bridges after D-Day,

Polish soldiers which went to western front fought in battle for Monte Cassino, Battle for England (pilots) and more over they were never invited on winners parades,

but this gold probably is also in France or UK

moreover, Brits still clasified for another 50 years documents about death of General Sikorski - head of Polish army on the western front,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1943_Gibraltar_B-24_crash

General Sikorski was on and on arguing Winston Churchill about case of Polish gold stored in UK

and his intervention about Polish gold ended with this suspicious crash

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_Sikorski's_death_controversy

http://niezlomni.com/?p=6616

http://www.bibula.com/?p=76308

http://biznes.onet.pl/wiadomosci/kraj/porwane-zloto-ii-rp/t47lq

11 tonnes of Polish gold was taken by Brits and Poland never get it back

11 tonnes of gold at current price is 420 milions dollars

---------- Post added at 11:11 ---------- Previous post was at 09:55 ----------

http://www.money.pl/gospodarka/wiadomosci/artykul/francuska-firma-zbrojeniowa-omija-zakaz-i,98,0,1833314.html

French arms company builds facility in Russia not taking care about sanctions

Edited June 18, 2015 by vilas

[oxmox 73]

For the first time in modern history, Asia is now richer than Europe.

The wealth of nations

For the first time in modern history, Asia is now richer than Europe. And it is catching up with North America too; by 2019 the region’s wealth is expected to reach $75 trillion compared to $63 trillion in North America. And although America is still the country with by far the most millionaires in the world, of the 2m new millionaire households created last year 62% are from Asia-Pacific. China is the main driver here; it will account for 70% of Asia’s growth between now and 2019, predicts BCG, and by 2021 it will overtake America as the world’s wealthiest nation.

At the same time, the world’s wealth is being concentrated in fewer pockets. Whereas in 2012 38% was held by millionaires, in 2014 this was 42% and the trend is increasing. Whereas households with more than a million dollars in the bank saw their wealth swell by 16% on average, those with less wealth saw it grow by only 9%.

But although Asia is now richer than Europe, individual Asians are not.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2015/06/asia-pacific-wealthier-europe

[St. Jimmy 272]

That's what happens when you sell every factory and job in Asia :D

[vilas 477]

and when all is produced in Asia, and when machines and hightech and semiautomatic drones replace low skilled workers (automatic warehouse, even automatic car parking, automatic machine production, automatic welding) than you have unemployment as result and than it is very bad for employee cause he has to competee as cheap as he can, than EU says about adding more low-skilled workers who have 4 kids and this can really create huuuuuuuuuuuuge mess in next generation,

of course China is superpower,

20 years ago they were poor country with huuuuuuuuuuuge poverty, starvation, now they are superpower probably number one on the globe

[vilas 477]

Celebs wear next to nothing on TV, so a bikini at the pool is not going to offend anyone. No its not true. Think page 3 (Sun), actually not sure if its still going, but anyway. That's UK for yer..;)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa

?

i asked 2 days ago if news in Polish press was true, now i see such press in UK press , so is it really fake?

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/british-waterpark-bans-bikinis-muslim-oriented-event

or this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-170373/School-bans-pig-books-avoid-offending-Muslims.html

http://americannews.com/grandfather-to-be-exhumed-because-his-grave-offends-muslims-see-photos/

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/06/12/dead-grandfather-could-be-dug-up-because-his-grave-offends-muslims/

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/whoa-oxford-university-press-bans-bacon-pork-because-it-offends-muslims/

[vilas 477]

last months Poland was shaking due to large scandal of words and corruptions shown by independent media which published wire-typed politicians,

politicians of ruling party were wire-typed in restaurants and they were talkin many things which could lead to state tribunal , they were talking about simply criminal cases , about cheating people by bank system and about changing law for some businesmen needs,

what happened as result - Polish law was changed, since 1st July 2015 new law comes into live - any "illegally without authorisation" wire-typed record cannot be taken by court as proof in criminal case proceeding

so if you record politician when he say about bribe but you recorded without asking him before - it is illegal and there is no case against him (and such record is not proof for court and judge cannot take it ) but case is against you - for recording it,

this is law made by Donald Tusk friends leftists from Civic Platform party

Edited June 19, 2015 by vilas

[vilas 477]

http://www.tvp.info/20496390/nielegalne-nagrania-nie-beda-dowodami-w-sadzie-nawet-jesli-beda-dotyczyly-najciezszych-przestepstw

http://parezja.pl/od-1-lipca-nielegalne-nagrania-nie-beda-dowodami-sprawie/

http://www.polskieradio.pl/9/302/Artykul/1463645,Sady-bez-nielegalnie-zdobytych-dowodow

officially told in media,

since 1st July if you record someone without his authorization, even if he commits worst crimes (including all crimes even murder) than such record is not proof for court

this is reaction of current corrupted politicians on wire type scandal in which they were recorded how they talk in restaurants about breaking budget, breaking national bank, being usefull and serving rich businesmen, how they say about corruption, gifts from businesmen and etc.

of course mainstream media (which belong to Axel Springer GmbH and ITI Group) tried to hide all but thanks to internet records seen light and viewers

once again leftist clicque changed law in my country for sake of bandits and criminals,

in outumn we should have parliament election and currently 2 ruling parties :

- PO - will be third , not even second but third, opposition according to different polls should get twice more than them, cause huge emigration, huge corruption and never ending "weekly" scandals (scandals which in other countries appear once a year in my country appear once a week)

- PSL will not even rich parliament cause their support is below 5%

last municipal elections were probably falsified, cause ... PSL which had 5% in some regions suddenly get much much much more percent in municipal elections, no matter of big number of protests municipal elections "result" was kept,

in some towns PSL had 2-3 dozens percent while in polls they had 5%

in some cities people who started in elections had 0 votes, yes, 0 votes while they voted on themselves !

so even if you start in elections, you vote for yourself, your wife votes for you, your adult kid vote for you, how can you get 0 votes ?

Edited June 20, 2015 by vilas

[sudayev 27]

since 1st July if you record someone without his authorization, even if he commits worst crimes (including all crimes even murder) than such record is not proof for court

Only evidence from legal recordings and after agreement of listened person can be legal and taken into consideration by the courthouse :D

This is so ridiculous, but this is how Polish banana clique from Civic Platform is protecting themselves against the law, because the scale of their corruption and affairs is beyond comprehension.

Now after this, what's the purpose of detectives? Investigative journalists? How they will gather evidence? Will they be asking their subjects to be recorded or wiretapped?

I hope their days are to be their last days after parliamentary elections in fall 2015. Time to appraise post-communists for their rules full of corruption with influential people from communist military intelligence behind their backs and finally send them to the garbage dump of history once and for all.

[chrisb 196]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/584338/WaterWorld-Stoke-on-Trent-Muslim-Islam-waterpark-women-only-bikini-ban-clothing-veil-burqa

?

i asked 2 days ago if news in Polish press was true, now i see such press in UK press , so is it really fake?

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/british-waterpark-bans-bikinis-muslim-oriented-event

or this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-170373/School-bans-pig-books-avoid-offending-Muslims.html

http://americannews.com/grandfather-to-be-exhumed-because-his-grave-offends-muslims-see-photos/

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/06/12/dead-grandfather-could-be-dug-up-because-his-grave-offends-muslims/

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/whoa-oxford-university-press-bans-bacon-pork-because-it-offends-muslims/

Luckily Labour has been decimated, not that the Conservatives are any better, but the political correctness of some and its labour run councils (only a few really), were way over the top. But it will correct itself again over time, labour have lost all credibility as a party, but they always do. The conservatives will be next to lose all credibility. Its just the screwed up politics of the UK. But no, this is by no means the norm here in the UK, I live not far from the seaside, bikinis are everywhere during summer, even street wear.

Here's the old council leader, I'll leave you to make your own mind up.

[vilas 477]

EU wants to force 10 countries in EU (which haven't signed it yet) to create law, that allows banks to ... confiscate our accounts in case if bank is "in danger",

i think this needs to be wider spread information, that was so far secret,

European Commission prescribed 2 months term to Poland and 10 more countries to create law that allows banksters to steal our savings,

so far in Poland we have law, that guarantee that if bank is cheater than bank has to return money to clients,

now EU wants to replace this law with law that makes banksters steal more

a Bułgarię, Republikę Czeską, Francję, Włochy, Litwę, Luksemburg, Holandię, Maltę, Polskę, Rumunię i Szwecję do pełnego wdrożenia dyrektywy w sprawie naprawy oraz restrukturyzacji i uporządkowanej likwidacji banków. Dyrektywa ta (2014/59/UE)

Bulgaria, Romania,Czech, France, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembour, The Netherlands, Malta, Poland, Sweden, directive 2015 /59/EU

edit:

notes say it touches only customers with saving > 100 k Euro, but anyway, if bankster has wrong business why customer has to pay for it

Edited June 23, 2015 by vilas

[oxmox 73]

Life is a show....."Facebook" followers in real life ;)

UK political parties 'paid for fake supporters in run-up to general election'

The efficiently named Rent a Crowd is a company that provides 'background extras and crowds of people for anything and anywhere in the UK', and this apparently includes political campaigning.

When I asked whether the company had been hired by any UK parties, a spokesperson confirmed it had "provided people at different locations across the UK in the build-up to the election."

The company doesn't make public which parties it works with, but the fact they have the budget to bring external PR agencies on board suggests they are probably larger than an independent candidate who comes away with a handful of votes.

The Conservatives, Liberal Democrats and Labour all said they were not aware of having worked with the company.

The tactic is allegedly also being used in the US by both Republicans and Democrats, where companies will go as far as to create positive signs for rallies and prepare enthusiastic vox pops for the cameras. Earlier this week, Donald Trump denied paying actors to cheer at his presidential bid announcement.

"The crowds we hire are never there to voice any political opinion but simply to beef up the numbers in the crowds," the rep added. "We get very little info on these other than a simple brief of where to be and to mingle into the crowd. "

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/exclusive-uk-political-parties-used-rentacrowd-during-the-general-election-10339061.html

Side Note/Offtopic:

*There is an interestig documentary from the Austrian state TV (english subs) about Revolutions around the world, as an example the Color Revolutions, and how some kind of a "Revolution Ltd.", did actually support and actually planned such movements....will post it maybe in the next days.

Edited June 23, 2015 by oxmox

[vilas 477]

http://niezalezna.pl/68310-korupcja-w-sadzie-najwyzszym-sprawe-umorzono

today minutes ago , Polish prosecutor office dismissed case about corruption in Highest (Primal) Court ,

all details are now top secret and any corruption charges are dismissed

corruption in highest court was revealed as part of huge wire-typing scandal year ago

only result of wire typing corruption scandal in Poland is so far that there is changed law about wire typing so such records are no longer proof in court

[sudayev 27]

Don't worry, sooner or later someone will lift up this carpet that is hiding corruption on highest levels.

[vilas 477]

http://niezalezna.pl/68313-gdzie-jest-8-mld-zl-z-kont-emerytalnych-rencistow-pieniadze-po-prostu-zniknely

http://zus.pox.pl/zus/zniknelo-8-miliardow-zl-z-kont-emerytalnych-w-zus.htm

http://www.wykop.pl/ramka/2619209/z-kont-zus-zniknelo-ponad-8-mld-zlotych-pieniadze-zwyczajnie-wyparowaly/

http://wpolityce.pl/gospodarka/257156-gdzie-sie-podzialo-8-mld-zl-z-kont-emerytow-cezary-mech-ogromne-pieniadze-wyparowaly-nie-ma-ich-nasz-wywiad

http://parezja.pl/zus-u-wyparowalo-8-mld-zl-eksperci-nie-potrafia-ustalic-sie-stalo/

http://www.dziennik.com/wiadomosci/artykul/znikajace-miliardy-w-zus-ie

http://fakty.interia.pl/polska/news-z-kont-emerytalnych-w-zus-zniknelo-ponad-8-mld-zl,nId,913345

https://kefir2010.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/gigantyczna-afera-po-z-konta-zus-wyparowalo-8-miliardow-zlotych/

http://www.wiadomosci24.pl/artykul/z_kont_zus_znikaja_pieniadze_gdzie_sie_podzialo_8_mld_zl_227323.html

8 bilions PLN (2 bilions Euro, 2000 milions Euro) disappeared in Polish budget,

now another scandal,

such money disappeared in state budget under current government

there were 8.4 bln PLN on accounts of dead pensioniers (people who died without getting pension)

and in next year budget in those paragraph suddenly 0 appears ... so money disappeared and were not moved to other paragraphs of budget - discovered by economists

after presidential elections, lost by leftist corrupted current gov, and with new parliament election that probably will be in September, suddenly money in budget disappeared ,

whole press (except few titles that belong to foreign corporations) is full of news about it here,