European Politics Thread.

[sudayev 27]

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/7/b/7bbf818265ca57469def28edc1e538a3.jpg?s=1429619536

17-th May , there comes new law in Poland

when you speeding more than 50 km/h above limit , you have confiscated driving license for 3 moths, however ...

this not occur... judges, parliament member, senators,

parliament members and judges are not under this regulation

similar is with tax-free sum of money,

when you are usual men - tax free sum is 3091 PLN (700 EUro, 750 USD)

when you are member of parliament ... 10 times bigger , 27300 + 3091 PLN

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/5/1/51669302662a311fd58c3a6db97757d1.jpg

Polish tax administration wants to hunt money and taxes from Poles who left Poland to work abroad because they not wanted to work here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity < this should not exist in democratic society, man who is speeding 150 km/h drunk or on dope, when 50 km/h is allowed cannot be free

It's because the Polish people have chosen (and are choosing) post-communist government that goes too far in EU dependence. Since they took control over the mainstream media they can do anything.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Sudayev

[mistyronin 1181]

It's because the Polish people have chosen (and are choosing) post-communism & EU dependence.

I fail to see the connection. If you were to be right, most EU countries would be like Poland, specially the traditional ones. Which doesn't happen at all, in fact the opposite...

But if you check communist and post-communist countries then yeah, corruption is exceptionally high there.

[vilas 477]

you do not understand Misty

in our countries (post commie) pro-EU language and pro-EU rhetorics is used mostly by most corrupted leftists parties

in west you have:

- socialist parties - who care about social

- conservatives - who care about free market, economy,

and some green-ecological etc. left wing,

in our countries it is little different

- right wing - cares about tradition, family, social, left wing in economy, but also pro-church,

- left wing (calling themselves liberals although they are not liberal in economy) - says a lot about EU but they are corrupted, they do all to please western corporations, foreign corportion, they talk about minorities rights and they often have media, public relation or like last time they were accused of falsifying elections,

- rest are farmers party who care about farmers,

- a, post-commies who now play liberals in economy, cause they have money,

- some clown parties doing clown stuff to be visible in media, specially about LGTB, marihuana etc.

there was 20 years party of guys who simply said they are beer party so their program was to drink beer

our political scene is rather 2 big parties + 2 minor small parties (percentage)

joke is that in our society only 40-50% people allowed to voting- votes, rest doesn't care cause they do not believe , we have 5% borderline to parliament, which means - if you have 2 parties which collected 4% each- they are not represented,

only those who are > 5% are in parliament,

it was made long ago to eliminate far right from media, so noone will tell truth just "propaganda of success" ('there is no emigration, youth go to UK cause they love to travel"),

pro-EU rhetoric is used by parties who love to play european face, but in fact they are just cheaters, who dream about career in Brussels , not about own country,

rest is mainstream media propaganda telling only things good for government

joke is that pro-EU in my country were commies

why ?

because they need to locate stolen money in foreign banks, they need to locate their kids abroad, they took bribes in 1989 for releasing western corporations from taxes, plus issues with tax-paradises like Cyprus republic where they can now legally set company and not pay taxes here,

so there is connection but you would have to know our political scene very deep to see this connection

what were ideas of communism ?

socialism that tax you from toe to skull, destroying private property (allowed only for rulling party), taking guns off from people, control industry, mixing nations to destroy nations, remove diversity and traditions ,

does it remind you EU (wtih exception of property issues)?

people vote like they vote (if elections are not falsified, but last elections to municipal organs might be falsified in Poland )

but stuff i linked about speeding limit is not from mainstream - mainstream will never write about it

they focus on Ukraine

Edited April 21, 2015 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

you do not understand Misty

in our countries (post commie) pro-EU language and pro-EU rhetorics is used mostly by most corrupted leftists parties

But if you just said the same I did.

The issue in Poland is not what the EU values are and how it works, but the corruption due to being a post-communist country.

[sudayev 27]

You fail because don't know much about the origins of Polish so called "elites", political transformation in Poland and who was orchestrating it. Suddenly those behind the wheel, all the people that used to drink alcohol with the communist secret service decided to whitewash their clothes and drew out EU-flags from their pockets. Connection and ties to secret service are the key to understaing the corruption in former commie states.

You may know the official version of Walesa, a polite version that is sold to western countries, a version that is lacking of spicy details...

You want some more? Just read some of the leaked Stratfor emails that leaked. How well the current Polish president is connected with former intelligence service based on communist military intelligence source source source etc... Just dig deeper what happened in Smolensk back in 2010, learn how many key researchers and witnesses vanished, died, or committed strange forms of suicide.

This is only one example, literal tip of the iceberg. Everyone from the current ruling regime is dipped in it from leading politicians to most wealthy Poles and mainstream media that are ran by children of prominent party members and security operatives. What you see in the west is powdered version with make up.

On Eu-dependency...First of all... This rat Mr Tusk (cowardly and passive chief of the EU presidium, Merkel's boy) was first one to promise 10 yrs ago to lower taxes and reduce the bureaucracy. What happened next... Taxes were raised and bureaucracy and all the related clutter have expanded like never before in the Polish history! (One of the reasons he decided to evacuate from Poland to safe and well paid retreat in Brussels, it's less likely we will see him back in his home country)

This is how it works...The more subsidy money they get from the EU the more bureaucracy is created to handle projects and shit (aka building bridges ALONG the river). Bureaucrats are well paid and if you want good job in Poland just shut up and do what you are told told and vote on the current party, because the opposition wants to end this, which means that you will loose your job. I know some people, public servants woking on EU projects on different levels - they are keep their head down people, supporters of current regime. A perfect electorate. This is the connection, a perfect symbiosis. We need you - you need us.

Edited April 21, 2015 by Sudayev

[vilas 477]

Misty - i can give example of someone from my family whom i hate

this person was in comunist party

she was "always director" "natural born director" as we say it in Polish language,

she never worked normally , only she went to commie party in 1980 when everyone hated commies, she get foreman position, than director...

after 1989 she... she "found god and Jesus" and started visit church every week, so she was director again

i know such people

who are antisemitic one day, next day they "found Jewish roots in family" , next day they are commie, next day they hate commies and "always hated those muthaf*** commies" , if commies win election than "i never was liberal, i hate capitalism, socialism is only way", when next election is won by right wing "motherfu*** corporations stick nose into our national business, it is guilt of Jews, fucking Russia, fucking Germany, fuck everyone, our industry should belong to us only, those perverts want marriage?", when EU party wins elections "i found Jewish roots in my family, we should respect Jewish tradition, i was always saying that EU is only way, our xenophobic outdated tradition is stupid, look at Russian literature, look at German hard work, Poles were always lazy bastards, stupid church, gay okay"

there are such people , they are "always directors", they change political parties every 4-5 years to be near to currently ruling party,

we have in Poland few members of parliament who in 20 years changed 4 parties membership - they were leaving parties when those parties had low result in polls, before elections to get to party which had better poll , i know such person from my job, i know such person from my family and a from TV

reason is simply - career

in PL we have word "karierowicz"

i do not know if it is translate-able to English

careerist ? maybe not

or maybe paid agents - who promise A (support national business), than after election do B (mostly for sake of foreign corporations)

when you hear someone saying that he support EU, it doesn't mean yesterday he was not against (before voting of course) ;)

Edited April 21, 2015 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

I'm afraid you haven't understood me.

You are assimilating fake pro-EU in Poland with EU in general.

I know about that the corruption of the communist eras has still an impact in nowadays Poland. But that has nothing to do with the EU.

Communism is what brought corruption, not the EU.

[negah 26]

The 5% threshold is not to keep the far-right from the parliament, it is to keep the parliament clean of dozens of minor parties so that it can actually work and has not to be reorganized every couple of months.

We had no such Threshold during the Weimar Republic, and we all know how that ended.

Besides the far right will keep telling truth as long as they are in the opposition just like our leftist party does now. As soon as theyll get to rule the country, theyll switch to bullshit-mode.

[vilas 477]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Rywalizacja-religii-w-XXI-wieku-Kiedy-islam-dogoni-chrzescijanstwo,wid,17471030,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=114bb9

article on danger of islamization of Europe due to fertility rate of immigrants and problems such as Muslims demand Sharia law in Europe and ... penalization of "offending Islam"

article says that in UK now there are functioning Sharia law courts within British legal system (how could anyone allow religious courts in XXI century here in Europe ! it is not middle-ages)

and "MEND" organization ( Muslim Engagement and Development) demands penalization of critics of Islam - they want Sharia in Europe,

that imigrants want to limit secularism, freedom of speech in western countries

it must be stopped untill we can eat beacon without beheading , untill we have rest of freedoms, because they will demand stop secularism, they will demand Sharia , they will not integrate with us, rather behead us for irrational beliefs in "god", future might be very dangerous for Atheists,

Edited April 22, 2015 by vilas

[nodunit 397]

I wonder if at a point, some countries will start setting up tighter boarders and deny anyone who is muslim for fear of things such as this...

Maybe things work differently in Europe but is there a rule saying you HAVE to recognize their religion? I mean okay it exists woopdy doo but does that also mean that it must be adopted into law?

[ProfTournesol 956]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Rywalizacja-religii-w-XXI-wieku-Kiedy-islam-dogoni-chrzescijanstwo,wid,17471030,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=114bb9

article on danger of islamization of Europe due to fertility rate of immigrants and problems such as Muslims demand Sharia law in Europe and ... penalization of "offending Islam"

article says that in UK now there are functioning Sharia law courts within British legal system (how could anyone allow religious courts in XXI century here in Europe ! it is not middle-ages)

and "MEND" organization ( Muslim Engagement and Development) demands penalization of critics of Islam - they want Sharia in Europe,

that imigrants want to limit secularism, freedom of speech in western countries

it must be stopped untill we can eat beacon without beheading , untill we have rest of freedoms, because they will demand stop secularism, they will demand Sharia , they will not integrate with us, rather behead us for irrational beliefs in "god", future might be very dangerous for Atheists,

I'm sorry Vilas but i feel like you're falling in the trap the radical islamists want us to fall. They want to divide our secular societies for religious reasons, and they want that our societies as a whole reject common muslim citizens because a few percent of them are radicalized. We mustn't be naive, but we must not follow the path they want us to follow.

[vilas 477]

maybe NWO wants to cause fear in europe to make people beg for dictatorship or cause civil war,

not safe streets, conflicts - are always benefiting 2 groups:

- policing lobby, dictatorship lobby,

- weapon dealers (in case of europe hightech, including surveillance hightech market)

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http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1348,title,Akcja-francuskiej-policji-Dzis-mialo-dojsc-do-zamachu-w-Paryzu,wid,17473953,wiadomosc.html

French police stopped another terrorist attack in France, Islamists planed attack 2 Chrisitan churches, he is suspected of murder fintess instructor plus French intel found that guy planned to go to Syria to join ISIS after attack on 2 churches

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Arbitration_Tribunal sharia court in uk

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2587215/Sharia-Law-enshrined-British-legal-lawyers-guidelines-drawing-documents-according-Islamic-rules.html

wtf

Edited April 22, 2015 by vilas

[ProfTournesol 956]

French police stopped another terrorist attack in France, Islamists planed attack 2 Chrisitan churches

Yes, this guy shot himself a bullet in the leg and called the emergency services...he is suspected to have killed a 32 yo old woman this WE, probably to rob his car.

[vilas 477]

before WW2 law:

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/a/0/a0515aefb1ca908fcc3f0a692dd06567.jpg

clerk for taking bribe - punishment death

cheating for bribe, hiding truth - death punishment

ehhhh... sentiment

[sudayev 27]

Perhaps we could use some such law again ;) Nowadays clerks remain unpunished when it comes to their bad decisions resulting is ruining somebody's life or business - what happens often.

In my opinion clerks in cases of malpractice should face a) caning [just like they do in Singapore] b) financial reparations equal to victim loss c) imprisonment.

[mistyronin 1181]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Rywalizacja-religii-w-XXI-wieku-Kiedy-islam-dogoni-chrzescijanstwo,wid,17471030,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=114bb9

article on danger of islamization of Europe due to fertility rate of immigrants and problems such as Muslims demand Sharia law in Europe and ... penalization of "offending Islam"

article says that in UK now there are functioning Sharia law courts within British legal system (how could anyone allow religious courts in XXI century here in Europe ! it is not middle-ages)

and "MEND" organization ( Muslim Engagement and Development) demands penalization of critics of Islam - they want Sharia in Europe,

that imigrants want to limit secularism, freedom of speech in western countries

That's not true. And you would know it, if instead of believing those articles, you spent more time meeting and getting to know immigrants.

In fact most of Muslim immigrants tend to integrate well, their offspring already behave like the natives. The radical ones that want to limit secularism and freedom of speech are a minority, brainwashed by Salafist imams sent and funded from Saudi Arabia.

Lately the ones that have denounced the extremist imams were also Muslim immigrants. That says a lot of how well they are integrating and even protecting their status from radicals.

Edited April 23, 2015 by MistyRonin
orthography

[negah 26]

Perhaps we could use some such law again ;) Nowadays clerks remain unpunished when it comes to their bad decisions resulting is ruining somebody's life or business - what happens often.

In my opinion clerks in cases of malpractice should face a) caning [just like they do in Singapore] b) financial reparations equal to victim loss c) imprisonment.

I also wish we had a law system like in Singapore, they have one of the lowest crime rates around the world.

[vilas 477]

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=pl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Azjatyckie-gwalty-zamiatane-pod-dywan-w-Wielkiej-Brytanii,wid,17487604,wiadomosc.html%3Fticaid%3D114c4a&usg=ALkJrhhtCBVJEr52iXkHEPXOTSFGSee1iQ

[vilas 477]

some links to more understand Serbian-Bosnian-Croatian relations as well as Israeli-Palestinian relation

history not begin yesterday, but many bad stuff is located in WW2 relations;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini

https://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/tag/did-ss-head-heinrich-himmler-give-grand-mufti-amin-al-husseini-a-autographed-copy-of-the-plans-for-aushwitz/

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/077.shtml

http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_Legion (participations in crimes in my city during uprising 71 years ago)

links to better understand and know historical facts which are not wide known, fact is that although 70 years passed from WW2 end, but WW2 still shapes a lot

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ISIS to get to Europe using Nothern African escaping people:

https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defence24.pl%2Fanaliza_panstwo-islamskie-w-libii-wykorzysta-europejska-operacje-ratunkowa&edit-text=

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Italian police declasified (after few years) info :

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1348,title,Terrorysci-planowali-zamach-w-Watykanie-Watykan-uspokaja,wid,17482337,wiadomosc.html

islamists planned terrorist attack on crowded by tourists Vatican (in Rome)

Edited April 28, 2015 by vilas

[vilas 477]

another issue with disarmed EU, last time in Poland there was survey - and results are that mostly who have guns are: politicians, judges, high ranked public servants, prosecutors,

in case of low-ranked soldiers or policemen - even they do not have private gun after jobs,

due to some investigation it was found out , and currently it is scandal in press, that our... minister of justice - had gun license illegally - without appropriate psychological tests,

so...

EU citizens are most disarmed in globe (EU, not Europe, cause Switzerland is in Europe, Russia is in Europe, Finland is only exception),

and while EU citizens are disarmed (and put to danger of jihadists inside Europe) our politicians, law enforcement high ranked clerks - are the best armed part of society, every judge has gun, every prosecutor has gun, every member of parliament has gun, every minister has gun... only usual citizens who are living and paying taxes are disarmed, while jihadists swim from Africa, while green men can appear, while banksters are stealing property,

interesting thing in my country:

few years ago - banks pushed in parliament "inverted mortgage" law,

what is inverted mortgage law - it is law that allows individual person to get "pension" from bank and write testimony for bank, so bank will inherit flat after death,

Polish society is very very poor, pensions are very very small , and our insurance system is crumbling (low percent of people who work, big emigration, a lot of old people who do not work but are on pension, simple economy rule - someone must work for money to pay pensions to old people, who will work when 15% of working-age people emigrated ? many families live cause their kids in UK send money from London)

there are no money for pensions and old people need drugs (medical care),

so fuckers from banks now want to steal last thing that family has - a flat, a house,

they propose small pension to old people, so than bank is inheriting this property after death (and kids have nothing, to buy flat , kids have to take bank loan, credit for 30 years) ,

of course banks are foreign,

so people are start to being deprived of property in family and ... banks are gonna have all

in such situation people may want justice and need guns to set justice with banks, but we are disarmed, while our minister of justice had gun illegally ... "lol" , shame i was not born in Switzerland

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meanwhile in Hungary - Victor Orban said he want to restore capital punishment, of course all EU is angry with him, lol

Edited April 30, 2015 by vilas

[ProfTournesol 956]

(BBC News) German BND spy agency 'helped US target France'

Germany's national intelligence agency, the BND, spied on top French officials and the EU's headquarters on behalf of US intelligence, German media report.

The leaks from a secret BND report suggest that its monitoring station at Bad Aibling spied on France's presidential palace and foreign ministry, and the European Commission.

According to the reports, the BND did not target German or US officials in the surveillance, as they are protected by a BND-NSA agreement signed in 2002.

However, it has emerged that the German government knew about NSA spying on European arms businesses as early as 2008. The government found "shortcomings" in the BND's operations, German TV reports.

They should find better target to spy :rolleyes:

[vilas 477]

again:

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Policja-w-Hesji-zapobiegla-zamachowi-terrorystycznemu,wid,17499746,wiadomosc.html

German police stopped planned terrorist attack (of course islamic)

[sudayev 27]

Finland to mobilize a million of reservists

The Finnish Defence Forces are to send letters to all 900,000 of the country's reservists at the beginning of this month, informing them what their role would be in a "crisis situation", causing a row over whether such a move is necessary.

http://europe.newsweek.com/finish-military-preparing-900000-reservists-crisis-situation-326712

[St. Jimmy 272]

Finland to mobilize a million of reservists

http://europe.newsweek.com/finish-military-preparing-900000-reservists-crisis-situation-326712

Lol. That article was in news today about how much bullshit it contains/contained :D

[sudayev 27]

Share some details then. Word is about mobilization.