a different story

[spring-R 0]

i would like you to consider my story for Operation Flashpoint 2.

i think this is a fresh background story for OFP2 as it doesnt involve WWII, Vietnam, or Russians. as the story for OFP was fictional, so is this (well kinda)

it is the year 2003. the Taliban and all its remains are only to be found in history books. the various states/countries in the middle east are reasonably calm and peaceful. Afghanistan has a Democratic government. after some uneasy years of protesting, the Americans have moved their forces out. some radical extremists who are inspired by the Taliban's ideas see this as the perfect oppurtunity to overthrow the young and vulnerable Independant Democratic Government of Afghanistan. the surronding countries form MERA (middle eastern revolution army) and mobilise its army. surrounded , the IDGA (afghanistan) have no one to turn to as the USA have agreed to not have anything to do with their matters. the IDGA have resorted to the UN. seeing this, Australia and the remaining members of the UN have flown forces to the distressed IDGA in a peacekeeping project.

the russians are now the extrememists (MERA), the americans are now the Australians (and other UN members) and the resistance is now the outnumbered Afghanii army (IDGA).

so what do you think?

cheers

[korax 4]

Errr... I'd like something non middle-east based please.

[Heatseeker 0]

Not bad but.. its kinda inspired on recent conflict and nobody would like to play on the MERA side.

We need the same base has OPF has, two big powerfull oponents with cool units and hardware.

spetsnaz and green berets

naval infantry and marine corps

T80 and abrams

Migs and F16's

etc, etc, etc... list is huge but we need two equaly balanced adversaries to keep things interesting and balanced, you wouldnt like to sit on top of a hill with a rpg7 while others take off F14's from an aircraft carrier would you? .

[Longjocks 0]

I'm all for a multi-national military game, but I hardly think that it would be a wise move to alienate the American market, being the size it is, or exclude the cool stuff they have/had. We can certainly remove the focus away from the super-powers, just don't exclude them.

I also must admit that although I'm not terribly sensitive to whether or not recent middle-eastern conflicts are represented in entertainment media, I am certainly sick to death of hearing about it, let alone having it pop up in the games I play. At least not as the main focus anyway. Let's just let Tom Clancy keep the terrorists and militant groups at bay for now.

[havocsquad 0]

I'm sure it will be a bunch of campaigns in different regions with reasonably involving storylines and a fair amount of "storyline" cinematics and character development to make it feel like you are playing in a movie instead of watching it.

At least one campaign needs to be against the classic "Evil Empire" government/military. My prime wish is it would be Korea as the setting for the long feared final military/political fight to the finish on determining whether democracy or Communism unites Korea.

If done very well, it could surpass the original CWC campaign's storyline and provide a new standard for gaming atmosphere experience.

I suggest they hire some good cinemtographers and a bunch of good symphonic composers/or use some great symphonic music already made that hasn't been overused.

[Heatseeker 0]

So you think they will make a fictional theme plus nam plus afghanistan plus kosovo etc .

My bet goes to the same old stuff, maybe fictional WW3, maybe the cold war never ended and the world found itself split betwean West and East, maybe Soviet union invaded Europe, maybe the remake of the 80's CWC stuff but with a diferent story and characters and a improved engine, realistic units and definetly more realism both in gameplay and missions. I think thats pretty much what is needed here, a improved new engine more optimised and capable of delivering better... everything .

The cold war is the perfect theme for a game like Flashpoint and the improved sequel OPF2, IMHO OPF2 without russian and american stuff wouldnt be the same, i would leave other conflicts material for possible expantions.

[savedbygrace 2]

The guys/gals behind the scenes at BIS undoubtedly invest pride into this title and I am confident that the same pride will carry over if not flood over into the future games of this same series. The latter years of the cold war erra would be great or Perhaps late 80s, early 90s when the Clinton office took over and ruined, I mean ruled the U.S military and made the cuts in their numbers. This would make way for a more diversified Nato with not so much but not too little U.S involvement. Maybe involving soldiers(or groups of soldiers) from different nations to form a close bond over the course of the game similar to that of Armstrong, Gastovski and the others. Maybe the soviet supplied Iraq was beginning to amass what they needed to become a threat to NATO and during a possible push towards the Soviet Union to capture the notorious General Guba(that we all swore was dead and discovered otherwise) we unveil Guba's next masterminded plan of terrorism through the Saddam loyalists. Something along these lines would serve the needs of all I think. Not excluding but not surrounding the super power nations, and at the same time involving more of the smaller(but not lesser) nations, It would maintain the NATO vs. Soviet theme with a twist of present day, it would be in or around Europe and maybe stray towards the middle east towrds the end or perhaps even trace Guba back to Korea(who know's-anything is possible with fiction). It could even take OFP to the cold snowy parts near russia and back down to the desert only to end up in the land of Korea. Whatever they decide to conjure is sure to be great so long as they maintain that essential freedom to roam and complete the tasks in diverse ways. I think also more tutorials or shortcuts in the mission editor or even a booklet with procedures on how to script(or make things happen) the OFP way would help ignorant wannabe mission editors like myself to better my creativity.

[WargamingNor 0]

Any of you read the Tom Clancy book "Red Storm Rising"?

Something along the storyline in that book would've been great. At least include the fighting in europe, Iceland and perhaps from Soviet/Moscow.

Maybe they could get Tom Clancy to write them a story...

(but with Clancy doing the writing, and as I said in the music thread, one of the bigshot movie composer doing the music...I think the budget for OFP2 would be pretty hefty...OFP 2 would probably cost more than VBS1 if it were to happen... but hey, a guy can dream can't he?)

[sputnik monroe 102]

Personally I'm tired of fighting the Russians. I see them as friends and brothers now. That being said, NATO vs Warsaw pact in a Fulda gap scenario is one of the most interesting scenarios. Though I think China is a suitable replacement for Russia as the opfor in a modern WW3 game. Heck you could probably have it be NATO and RF vs China.

Perhaps they could have several campaigns. One main grand campaign (45 missions like CWC) and several mini campaigns (10 to 15 missions). The mini campaigns would be different era's and wars. For example...

1. Main campaign superpower and/or alliance Vs another super power and/or alliance.

2. US mini campaign.

3. RF mini campaign

4. UK mini campaign

5. Brushwar mini campaign.

6. etc

[sputnik monroe 102]

Red Storm Rising would be an awsome campaign. Unfortunetly though UBI soft owns Tom Clancy.

[Friedchiken 0]

Well, Metal Gear Solid 3 kinda shows how the Cold War era can be further explored without going the standard Vietnam route.  Though I think that people should be more creative in the way the different sides are portrayed.  Realism stories can get kinda grey (read, hard to portray without blundering bias) but maybe the story could be like a shadow ops kind of thing where both Americans and Russians have to deal with each other indirectly

Say, multiple small campaigns can focus on both Russians and Americans dealing with guerilla forces.  I'm just not sure if the CIA was really successful in starting some serious movements.

A really funny idea (or not),  Spetnaz are sent to Western Europe to stake out  recent convoy movements in the hills (and in neutral territory at that ).  It's a recon mission and American casualties are frowned upon.  Yet there may be an ethnic conflict and there may be some "third world" loons that need to be taken out as well.  There could a breif string of missions regarding the infiltration and exfiltration.  This type of scenario could apply to American Special Forces as these events might be around the late 70s or (really) early 80s

[FischKopp 0]

I agree with Sputnik Monroe ... I like to see something like CWC in OFP1 with China ... Maybe something about oil and other things which can be found in siberia  ... China attacks RF ... RF calling for help (NATO) ... and we have our WW3 ...

I´ve read a book about it ... not the best but still interesting. It´s called "Arc Light" by Eric L. Harry

[hellfish6 7]

ArcLight would make an awesome scenario - basically, the US, Britain, the Czechs and Slokaks and the Poles invade Russia after an accidental nuclear exchange. Background battles include Korea, Russia-China, and Iceland.

The battle of the Dnieper-Sozh Triangle would be especially fun, where a US Army tank battalion stops a Russian tank regiment's counter attack... granted, we'd need a more robust modelling of vehicles in order to do this right now.

[hellfish6 7]

Oh, and a plotline of a book I started writing about two years ago:

Near future. MidEast oil prices rise steadily and China wants to good on it's claims to the Spratley Islands in order to secure the energy resources to fuel it's huge economy. China isn't stupid, though, and realizes that simply sending marines to the island won't guarantee their success and that such a move would cause others to fight over the islands. China decides to take the opportunity to assault Taiwan simultaneously. Over a year, they build up a quiet coalition of traditionally anti-Western nations: Myanmar, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iran, Madagascar, Yemen, Ethiopia, Sudan, Zimbabwe, and Angola.

Chinese paratroopers sneak into three major Taiwanese airports in Airbus airliners and IL-76 cargo planes disguised as civillian transports. Marines lay offshore in a scattered fleet of junks, fishing trawlers and tramp steamers. At 0400 local time, the paratroopers storm out of the aircraft and hundreds of small boats move toward shore to drop off individual squads, platoons and companies of Chinese marines who move to secure beachheads and port facilities for the amphibious fleet pulling up anchor on the mainland. Dozens of rockets streak out of Fujian province and hit the major Taiwanese bases with high explosive warheads and non-persistent never gas. By 0600, an entire airborne regiment, escorted by Flankers, though hardly opposed by Taiwanese fighters, has landed at each of the three major airports on secure runways provided by the infiltrators.

By 0900, the first Chinese marines begin wading ashore from the larger landing ships of the PLAN, along with their armor. In Hong Kong, three huge container ships set sail, containing an entire tank division in their holds.

A week later, Taiwan is almost totally overrun, though a small bastion of Taiwanese troops, a battalion of Strykers from the 25th Light Infantry Division and American Marines from the 3rd Marine Division hold out until the evacuation is complete. A week later, Taiwan is reunited with the PRC.

And it goes on.

Anyway, I think it's an interesting storyline for OFP2 - some of the new Chinese equipment is on par with what the Russians have. It provides for many theaters of combat (fight with the 82nd Airborne as they try to take Bandar Abbas from the Iranians) or command an Indian T-90 from the 2nd Bengal Lancers as they streak across the Punjab and fight it out with the T-80s and Khalid tanks of the Pakistanis.

[rainbow 0]

In OFP2 very interesing can't by this campaign :

1.Civil War (USA)

2. WW I

3. WW II

4. Fighting in N.Korea, Izrael, Egipt (1950r.-Cold War Conflict)

4. Vietnam Era

5. Iraq Era (Op. Desert Storm)

6. Modern Era

Modern Era - fiction conflict, New generation weapon, (2000r.-2004r.) Russian Invasion itp.

[PainDealer 0]

maybe they could first release the basic OFP2 with a fictional modern or nearly modern era campaign and then develop and release expansion packs for each past conflict. based on historical facts of course. that way they would have something to do after the game has been released.

the result would be like "OFP2: The History Of War"

[Nestor 0]

Why not have a Civilwar i Ucraine?.

Some peacekeeping ops with a EU/Nato force

[PainDealer 0]

or the civil war in spain or finland ;)

[D34N 0]

Ok, Here's my idea, sorry if its been mentioned before:

Setting: Taiwan

Year: Modern (2006?)

The US Navy's 7th Fleet has only been in Taiwan for (Insert Short Amount of time) and China's (Call it "Mainland" or "PRC") economy is thriving, (yet most of the people are still poor) military spending is up and China is negotiating with Taiwan to reintergrate with the Mainland. However China wants the 7th Fleet to leave Taiwan, Taiwan wont agree to it and... OMgosh China Attacks! (Who New? ) Long Story Short US(and NATO?, not the UN though) Teams up with Taiwan and Helps save the Day!..

There are a couple of draw backs to this:

1. It would probably crush the worlds economy. (:p)

2. Unlikely but possible even in hypothesis that one/both sides would use nukes

3. It would start a lot of flamewars.. everywhere..

4. 'my' idea is in 'alpha' stage.

[BOP_101TFS 0]

Ok, Here's my idea, sorry if its been mentioned before:

Setting: Taiwan

Year: Modern (2006?)

The US Navy's 7th Fleet has only been in Taiwan for (Insert Short Amount of time) and China's (Call it "Mainland" or "PRC") economy is thriving, (yet most of the people are still poor) military spending is up and China is negotiating with Taiwan to reintergrate with the Mainland. However China wants the 7th Fleet to leave Taiwan, Taiwan wont agree to it and... OMgosh China Attacks! (Who New? ) Long Story Short US(and NATO?, not the UN though) Teams up with Taiwan and Helps save the  Day!..

There are a couple of draw backs to this:

1. It would probably crush the worlds economy.   (:p)

2. Unlikely but possible even in hypothesis that one/both sides would use nukes

3. It would start a lot of flamewars.. everywhere..

4. 'my' idea is in 'alpha' stage.

lol

[gandalf the white 0]

Ok, Here's my idea, sorry if its been mentioned before:

Setting: Taiwan

Year: Modern (2006?)

The US Navy's 7th Fleet has only been in Taiwan for (Insert Short Amount of time) and China's (Call it "Mainland" or "PRC") economy is thriving, (yet most of the people are still poor) military spending is up and China is negotiating with Taiwan to reintergrate with the Mainland. However China wants the 7th Fleet to leave Taiwan, Taiwan wont agree to it and... OMgosh China Attacks! (Who New? ) Long Story Short US(and NATO?, not the UN though) Teams up with Taiwan and Helps save the Day!..

There are a couple of draw backs to this:

1. It would probably crush the worlds economy. (:p )

2. Unlikely but possible even in hypothesis that one/both sides would use nukes

3. It would start a lot of flamewars.. everywhere..

4. 'my' idea is in 'alpha' stage.

And during the cold war there wasn't any possibilities that one / both side where going to use nukes?

About the flamewars bit: America VS Russia doesn't starts any flamewars? it's a WAR , you can modify the campaign! make a campaign in wich the "other side" wins, If i post a mission here that lets french guys fight against americans will you see the french complain? do you see the americans complain?

(first one that makes a cruel french joke will have it's entrails brutally removed by me ).

Oh, and all ideas begin in "alpha stage" and it's original the allot i've seen here! Problem is that China might not be so eager to give away her military secrets...

[celery 8]

I don´t think the game would have much market share in China, either. the game IGI (dunno which one) was banned with heavy threats in China because the "hero" killed Chinese and China was depicted as a bad country. The story is good, though.

[hellfish6 7]

I think a properly done storyline could work out well.

If Taiwan declares independence in the intro to the campaign, than China has said many times that it would attack. I wonder if the average Chinese gamer would agree with that and think it justified? If so, then American gamers would have a sense of fighting an aggressor and Chinese gamers would have a sense of fighting for what's right.

The key is to be unbiased - don't make the Chinese look like incompetent boobs and don't make the Americans look like knights in shining armor.

[Silent N Deadly 0]

The key is to be unbiased - don't make the Chinese look like incompetent boobs and don't make the Americans look like knights in shining armor.

Knights in shining armor would be a very bad thing to be. Knights can't move in their armor.

[D34N 0]

Ok sorry for taking so long to respond, I don't usually visit this section to often, and thanks for the input.

Quote[/b] ]And during the cold war there wasn't any possibilities that one / both side where going to use nukes?

Yes, but the only thing Russians and Chinese really have in common is weapons because of Russia "Sell Licences to all of our Sukhoi fighters now to Russia and India!!"

Anyways, after a little thought I came to the obvious conclusion that neither side would use nuclear weapons unless nuked first. Here are my reasons(Assuming it is a high-intensity short term conflict):

China: Has no reason to fire nukes, China is a future superpower, why blow it? China has 60 to 70 nukes and they cant hit past the Rocky Mountains Suppose they fire their nukes and 100+ Million Americans die, One hour later 1.3 Billion Chinese People are annihilated. Lets Review.

China: Lost, Gone

America: Lost, Nearly Gone

Taiwan: Lost, If not gone then swamped with radiation

World: Lost, Also covered in radiation, worlds two biggest economies decimated.

And the US has abosolutely no reason to use nukes unless nuked first by China. For same reasons as above.

Quote[/b] ]About the flamewars bit: America VS Russia doesn't starts any flamewars?

Yes, but I think it would be more racist if it was Taiwan/US Vs. China.

Quote[/b] ]If Taiwan declares independence in the intro to the campaign, than China has said many times that it would attack. I wonder if the average Chinese gamer would agree with that and think it justified? If so, then American gamers would have a sense of fighting an aggressor and Chinese gamers would have a sense of fighting for what's right.

Yep.

Quote[/b] ]The key is to be unbiased - don't make the Chinese look like incompetent boobs and don't make the Americans look like knights in shining armor.

Yep.

This storyline would probably have to be one in a bunch of storylines for OFP2, mainly because US subs would be shooting Chinese subs in the Taiwan Strait(Not to mention lack of Abrams, Bradleys etc..), Taiwanese Mirages and US Navy F-18's would also likely shooting at any amphibious craft in the Strait while and engaging J-7's, J-8's. F-22's would probably also be near the Taiwan Strait making quick work of SU-27's and SU-30MKK's. B-2 would also be 'doing their thing'.

Obviously there is no way to make that seems unbiased to Chinese peoplethe way I have told it.