Hostage cownapped by militants

[denoir 0]

We had similar monuments in Buffalo. Only they are Buffalo.

[ig]http://www.buffaloroundup.com/Blue_Sky.jpg[/img]

And no one has actualy tried to steal or defile them.

To me that is art, to my mind it's making a statement about the decline of the Buffalo herds, 150+ years ago the American plains were "painted" with buffalo, then the "white man" came along and now there is more landscape than buffalo

Heh, I was about to say the opposite. The cows have at least some avant-garde look in terms of design. That buffalo is ..well.. kitsch. It is art, but bad art ("hillbilly art" if you wish).

If somebody would force me to put one of those cows or that buffalo in my living room, I'd choose a cow. (Although I'd rather burnd down my flat than having either one of them there)

[Balschoiw 0]

I´m in a mixed condition when it comes to modern art. There are some things I just like but I don´t get the message of some of them and dislike a lot of modern art.

That´s the moment I tell myself: "Maybe I should check again in 20 years."

I think a lot of modern art is just useless and wasteless crap, like video installations, where a pop - up head tells you the ABC and such. I mean that´s crap , isnt it ?

A lot of weirdos are in this scene, good weirdos and bad weirdos Time will separate the good from the bad. It ever did so. Just relax and wait for the bull**** to pass and pick out the perls. Your personal ones.

I like Giger and his work, I like Edvard Thole and I like Andre Heller´s work.

That´s what I pick.

Not a cow, so called cow...

[Gollum1 0]

I saw those fiberglass bovines all over the damn place in Stockholm a few months ago, good riddance I say.

On the subject of controversial art, there was quite a ruckus here in Finland about one artist who took in a stray cat from a shelter for them, killed it (brutally I hear) then masturbated over its remains.

And taped it. Art.

In one of many interviews he was quoted as saying;

"My grandmother has her own name for me. She calls me the human Satan."

It did spark some sort of debate over what can be considered art, so I suppose the cat didn't die in vain. I think he was going to be brought up on animal cruelty charges, but I don't know what became of that.

About the goldfish in blenders, I agree, clever.

[GoOB 0]

It is quite a serious matter though. What these people have done is essentially hijacked societys ability to display things to one another.

This has already been done by Stockholms municipal board, or was it *SL? But in this case it was done to the graffiti artists, I do beleive quite a few public graffiti displays (note: not the wallpainting type thing here) have been shut down by whatever authority.

And also... I really have to question the right these cows have to the Stockholm streets, compared to the sometimes quite well done graffiti paintings that are mostly painted in areas that are considered ugly and boring pieces of concrete.

I also have to put something in about the trains run by SL.

(primarily the old subway trains and old suburban trains)

Why not lend the exterior of certain wagons to talented graffiti artists? And some of the grey concrete often surrounding the areas around the subway stations could also be used for the same purpose. I would much rather see a subway train painted with good graffiti than the brown old color that crowns most subway trains from the 70's/80's.

And I'd much rather look at this:

Than those ugly fiberglass cows they have littered all around Stockholm.

[ralphwiggum 6]

ok juut to make sure things don't go out of hand, no images that violate forum rule will be allowed under pretense of art.

[stgn 39]

Well if this had happend a couple of years ago I would have thort this was funny too but hearing about people getting there head cut off down in Iraq(for actualy the same reasons "we don't want you") this turnes in to a very sick joke for me. I also agree whit ozanzac about the "what can I place in a public spot".

Grafiti is vandalisem venever it is done whit out permission.

STGN

[DracoPaladore 0]

It reminds me of many emo young teenagers today taking black and white pictures of anything, giving it an emotional name or something about death, and calling it art work. Find alot of that on places like DeviantArt. They literally take a picture of anything.

[GoOB 0]

Well, photography with the right thought, and motive is very much art. Alot of the stuff on deviantART is probably made by teenagers aspiring to do something great, and thus they try too hard. Some photography I have done I like to call art, or rather "artsy".

I guess what every person classes as art just boils down to how their buttcheeks are split.

[ozanzac 0]

Art or Vandalism?

Bogside, Derry.

[sputnik monroe 102]

Quote[/b] ]Art or Vandalism?

Depends. If the owner of the wall it's on did not give permission then it's vandalism. If they got permission then yeah it's art.

How would you feel if some one painted an image on your house with out permission? I think that's the big difference here. It seems the stupid looking cows are there by permision, , where as graffiti is simply "fuck you I'll paint on your wall wether you say I can or not damnit!".

[Drill Sergeant 0]

I honestly don't like that cow they have stolen.

It may be art but it's prety ugly.

Also as a note of intrest, those are not drills but........

DEWALT SAWS-ALL's!!!!!!  

Evile Men with the Cow

My SAWS-ALL

(Please note they are useing cordless and I only have one with a cord.)

I got my time in on useing SAWS-ALL on our many building

projects and all I can say is, they'd beter pay the ransom or

the SAWS-ALL will make quick work of that modern art.

Though I think the cow is not so much of a waste that it

shouldn't be displayed, I'm shure some people can interpit

what the artist was saying. I can't interpit what she was

saying though. Anybody here understand what the cow

means?

[EiZei 0]

Quote[/b] ]Art or Vandalism?

Depends. If the owner of the wall it's on did not give permission then it's vandalism. If they got permission then yeah it's art.

How would you feel if some one painted an image on your house with out permission? I think that's the big difference here. It seems the stupid looking cows are there by permision, , where as graffiti is simply "fuck you I'll paint on your wall wether you say I can or not damnit!".

Seems tad too big n complicated for unauthorized graffiti in my opinion.

I just wonder, how the hell they managed to steal a 120kg fiberglass cow without anybody noticing?

[Grizzlie 0]

They have painted it with invisible paint

[HellToupee 0]

Quote[/b] ]A lot of people do not consider graffiti as art.

To go out on a bit of a limb. I consider Graffiti as art so long as it's not mindless vandalism. There is skill involved. Graffiti can even have a political meaning behind it. Even if sometimes it can be hard to read and decipher.

the vandals are just taggers, they have no real talent all they can do is write their name on the wall, tagging.

There are grafiti artists, was some exibition here by one, and theres a guy at the place i work also very good at it, did a huge banner for a party we had looked awsome.

Google found me this

"The term "graffiti" was originally used by archaeologists to describe drawings and writings found on ancient buildings and monuments in Pompeii, Egypt and in the Roman catacombs."

About the cow, it looks terrible drill it.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I hope they treat the hostage well. I cant imagine what the cow must feel right now.

[theavonlady 2]

I hope they treat the hostage well. I cant imagine what the cow must feel right now.  

Don't worry. It's most probably been hit with the Stockholm Syndrome.

[Frisbee 0]

Well if this had happend a couple of years ago I would have thort this was funny too but hearing about people getting there head cut off down in Iraq(for actualy the same reasons "we don't want you") this turnes in to a very sick joke for me.

Wow, wait, people didn't get kidnapped before Iraq?

[/sarcasm]

There was vandalism in Brussels here too, and all in all, if you put something you call art in a street, there will be *ahem* comments like this.

Oh, and we had one cable-car thingie painted by a grafitti group, it looked awesome, might try looking for pictures later.

Grafitti artists don't get any love for their skills, if some stupid cows get publicly applauded I'd be pissed/jealous too.

Oh, and if I were a store owned in a city, I'd lend my wall to a good grafitti artist, if needs be pay him/her, you're gonna get it plastered on your walls anyhow, so better something good looking, right?

[GoOB 0]

I definatley think cities should promote the graffiti artists. And let them paint on areas that are colorless, boring and that makes you want to vomit during those depressive winter days. Like walking tunnels, subway stations (granted, most subway stations in Stockholm look OK) and other similar areas.

And is it right, that SL (the company that runs all trains, busses and subway trains in the Stockholm area) spend 55 million a year getting rid of Graffiti? Donate the exteriors of the ugly trains to talanted graffiti artists, make them colorful, make art a part of every bored to death commuter in Stockholm daily lives.

[denoir 0]

The interesting thing is that the artist that painted the cow said that she did not for one second believe that graffiti artist were behind the stealing of the cow. She said that she was 100% sure that it was a prank by art students and that it's nothing new really - that it is a very current debate in art circles. Also what should be pointed out is that the cownappers are not objecting against the cows because they are modern art, but because they consider them to be commercialistic crap. That the cows got sponsored for all the wrong reasons.

It makes actually perfect sense that it would be art students. At Swedish universities there is an initiation tradition for new students called 'nollning' where new students are given certain tasks (pranks), usually bordering on the criminal. For instance at my old uni one famous such prank was that they constructed a real brick wall blocking the entrance of the economics faculty and put up a sign saying "now it's even harder getting in".

So it's not beyond reason to suspect that this cow deal is a student prank as well.

[stgn 39]

Well if this had happend a couple of years ago I would have thort this was funny too but hearing about people getting there head cut off down in Iraq(for actualy the same reasons "we don't want you") this turnes in to a very sick joke for me.

Wow, wait, people didn't get kidnapped before Iraq?

[/sarcasm]

erm NO kidnapping is somthing that was envented during the war in Iraq dident't you know     not funny realy

ofcause they where and some where killed too but I unestly don't remember hearing about vidio klips on the internet whit the execution, and you should rember the saying what you don't hear, don't hurt you(that was my English version of the Danish one so im not sure if its correct).

STGN

[HOBOMAN 0]

MMM fresh meat

[HotShot 0]

In Venice, Florida, their are things like these cows, but they are pigs around the streets. I went and saw them while i was on holiday their a few weeks ago, they looked really good (and their's about 40 in all), but i can't say these cows look particuly great, and not so fun. I mean the cows just look like a paint-by-numbers canvas to me.

Pig Pic

[Gollum1 0]

ofcause they where and some where killed too but I unestly don't remember hearing about vidio klips on the internet whit the execution, and you should rember the saying what you don't hear, don't hurt you(that was my English version of the Danish one so im not sure if its correct).

STGN

That's right you didn't see such clips on the Internet, but there were many such clips especially from Chechnya.

[bucket man 2]

Yes these videos do exist.

I was looking for something different and found a video but the name made me suspect something sick. I made my friend watch it and he said its okay and the fool I am I watched it too.

In the video chechen militants cut the throat of a russian soldier. Its not one of those crappy quality videos shot from a mile away. At the first theres just someones head in the screen and the next second boot is pressed to his head and someone sticks a knife just under his chin.

I was like:

I almost threw up and had real troube sleeping as the image was burned into my brain. Call me a wuss but that was the most awfull thing I have ever seen in my life.

[ralphwiggum 6]

For instance at my old uni one famous such prank was that they constructed a real brick wall blocking the entrance of the economics faculty and put up a sign saying "now it's even harder getting in".

So it's not beyond reason to suspect that this cow deal is a student prank as well.

LOL...wonder how art students do in economics class. I bet the economics professor purposely drop there grade and say "Supply and demand should be applied to raise your grade, but game theory was used."

anyways, instead of cow we have Angels here in LA

article relating to the angel

http://www.today.ucla.edu/2001/010522mymind.html