Cheat and cheat prevention discussion

[hitsqdzulu 0]

At Fraghaus ...we caught one of these bastards. I booted and banned him right away. Now It looks like it doesn't matter cause he can get a new ip and id. Anyways ....we have a bunch of regulars that play on our server so from now on if they see anything funny....besides dysnc......we will imediately ban the suspect. It sucks that people have to cheat.....but I guess they are trying to over come the fact that they are BIG FOOKING LOSERS. Anyways ...I'm sure that once BIS has all the info ...they will try to figure something out. If I were rich...I would go the Jay and Silent Bob route....I would pay for a listing of all these pole smokers, fly to their houses, break their PC and Kick their little or big arse.

Sorry for my little rant ....but there is no place for cheaters in any game.

[backwoods 0]

Quote[/b] ]and im not an American, its funny how you guys start calling us american shits ect as soon as you start loosing or bitching

do the math

AHAHAHAHA BENU YOU GOT BURNED DUDE BURNED!!!!

[Gadger 0]

Funny how Mal just say's "I'm not an American" instead of "I'm a moose!".

Love ya Mal

[benu 1]

Quote[/b] ]and im not an American, its funny how you guys start calling us american shits ect as soon as you start loosing or bitching

do the math

AHAHAHAHA BENU YOU GOT BURNED DUDE BURNED!!!!

Your niveau is really funny. I was talking about europe, asia, america. I don't know how you call that continent, but we here in europe call it america. And did you notice how he did not answer a single of the topics i mentioned? Thats because he has no ansers. He made some ridiculous claims about network setup and failed to give an explanation. Not once, at least thrice. And the way he answers shows that he has not collaboration and exchange of knowledge in mind, but only showing off.

Look up the other thread, where i supplied a nearly complete script for linux servers to automatically kick highpingers and he only writes something like "yeah, there are apps to do this in win too but they are hard to find". Very helpful for the poster. And then he goes off flaming me, that i never did help someone and similar nonsense. That's when i decided further arguing is just a waste of time.

A troll will draw you down to his low niveau and will beat you there with his experience.

Your very "mature" reply shows that discussing with you is a waste of time also. Do you hold some personal grudge against me?

[RN Malboeuf 12]

<----------------------------------------- cow

we trample ppl in our way in case you guys have not noticed that with my personality

[benu 1]

But as i (and others, namely sicilian) told you, banning by ip is practically not working in our country, and may not in others too, as i can get a new ip in one second and it will be in a totally different subnet. So this tool is useless for server admins here. You could have taken that as it was intended: information how things are run in other countries around the world. Instead you go off and say stuff like "i do this for years, this works" and "you are networking noobs". And make some ridiculous claims about networking setup. 8 bit have only 256 different combinations, and due to the nature of the netmask (using AND and OR to calculate network adresses) you can only effectively use 254 of those combinations, and one of those has be a router out of the network. There may have been a misunderstanding somewhere inthat discussion, and if there were that should have been obvious to you, cause sicilian and i told you how we came to that numbers (which you didn't). But you never cared to resolve that if there was any, instead calling us noobs.

But it's not only that the tool would be useless to me and other serveradmins: If your tool automatically bans those long ids, an id faker from this country could effectively DOS a server for all users from this country: just change ip often enough and all users from his country will be blocked. And this will work for all countries where a) the majority of all ppl use the same ISP and b) that ISP distributes IPs in a random fashion from all his "subnets". This may not be the case where you come from, but it is here.

I say again, you could have taken this as information, but you chose not to but to disregard it and instead flame us.

So i have to ask myself: would i want to run a tool that is tailored towards some specific network environment that is totally different from my own? From a coder that does not listen to user concerns?

I think i rather wait for sicilians tool to automatically ban long ids or write my own for my server.

[backwoods 0]

Too long for me to read.... less time for OFP...

[RN Malboeuf 12]

look

banning an IP range will ban 1 fking block not the whole fking country get that THREW you skull

does your country have only 254 ppl in it? are there more then 1 players who play in a block? the answer is NOOOOOOOO

do the fking math ffs and dont claim I an uniteligent when you post such mylarky

[RN Malboeuf 12]

and who gives a rats ass about if there is 254 or 256, the answer is Different DEPENDING ON THE FKING NET WORK SET UP like i posted

RE READ THE FKING STATEMENT you conceded twit

no wonder he runs linux he cant grasp rationality of what IS better and still claims a MS Program runs better on Linux when this community has proved other wise

(note this is a flame, none of my other posts were flames yet he says i flamed him so now i have)

[Status_cz 0]

Seen this before too...  I was playing [AGSF] Hexenkessel and all the buildings were removed 1 by 1.  Then the guy spawned tanks, choppers, bikes, trucks etc. and dropping lots of LGBs everywhere.  You also could not kill him.

Yes,only confirming,i know that too,I aslo saw that,that´s why i dont play MP anymore.

[RN Malboeuf 12]

Yes,only confirming,i know that too,I aslo saw that,that´s why i dont play MP anymore.

we have been playing OFP online for 3 years now and it was worth every penny we spent on it

you're missing out

[SpecOp9 0]

What's wrong with Americans?

Wow, people get so jealous of us.

[benu 1]

and who gives a rats ass about if there is 254 or 256, the answer is Different DEPENDING ON THE FKING NET WORK SET UP like i posted

That's utter bullshit. Repeating your bullshit will not make it any more true. If there is a way to put more hosts into a /24 network than PROVE it, show us the math. But you can't. Because you just told bullshit.

Quote[/b] ]RE READ THE FKING STATEMENT you conceded twit

no wonder he runs linux he cant grasp rationality of what IS better and still claims a MS Program runs better on Linux when this community has proved other wise

I never did claim something like that. Another lie you make up. But that you have to resort to personal attacks shows that you have no arguments to back up your bullshit claims. Get a life.

Rereading your post will not bring any more information, as there aren't any. I could say too, that depending on how you build your car you can go through time with it, but until proven this is just a ridiculous statement, as ridiculous as yours.

Quote[/b] ](note this is a flame, none of my other posts were flames yet he says i flamed him so now i have)

Your other posts were flames too. Just claiming your other posts were not flames because you did not mark them flames and did with this one does not make the other posts less a flame.

Why don't you stop posting until you have something to say to the topic. If you just want to insult me you can use PM for that.

[Commando84 0]

I was playing on a german cti public server and the admin kicked me beaucse i had ECP mod on....

i got really upset beacuse he called it a cheat , ECP is like a FX mod like Gmr but way better...

he said it can be used as a cheat , i have always layed with ecp mod and my friends use it to.. so i don't get it what he meant with a cheat.

here is the main site for ecp and its a ofpec project so i canät understand why its called a cheat!! its like almsot as public thingy as official patches and DXDll mod. Its like holly stuff for me and many others, it adds so much greatness to the game and so on. http://www.ofpec.com/editors/ecfg/

[Norris 0]

I was playing on a german cti public server and the admin kicked me beaucse i had ECP mod on....

i got really upset beacuse he called it a cheat , ECP is like a FX mod like Gmr but way better...

he said it can be used as a cheat , i have always layed with ecp mod and my friends use it to.. so i don't get it what he meant with a cheat.

here is the main site for ecp and its a ofpec project so i canät understand why its called a cheat!! its like almsot as public thingy as official patches and DXDll mod. Its like holly stuff for me and many others, it adds so much greatness to the game and so on. http://www.ofpec.com/editors/ecfg/

That admin is just uptight. If you still wanna play on that server (I know I wouldn't), make an extra shortcut to flashpoint without ECP mod.

[BATPBC 0]

For the IP challenged IP subnetting

of course these guys probably dont know what they are talking about since they only have 80% of all infrastructure.

[Pathy 0]

Hmmm my mind is whirring as to how we could set up a "jay and silent bob" routine world wide....

Tell ya what, if i ever hit it rich, i will set up a shadowy agency with loyal anti-cheater agents all over the world, i'll pay for your transport/baseball bat costs and we can slowly rid the world of cheaters....one by one.......

[benu 1]

I was playing on a german cti public server and the admin kicked me beaucse i had ECP mod on....

i got really upset beacuse he called it a cheat , ECP is like a FX mod like Gmr but way better...

You can use ECP to take over other players into your group, thereby disabling their possibility to have groups themselves and destroy the whole gameplay of cti. I wouldn't allow ECP in cti myself, even if we use it too sometimes (but not for cti) and although we sometimes even let the server run with ecp enabled.

Also, many mods cause problems in mp if not everyone is running them. There were problems with ECP 1.5x which crashed servers if only some players used them and other mods have similar problems. But normally only the players using those mods drop out off the game after some time. But even that is annoying in a cti.

After all, it's the decision of the admin who can play there and why. If he does not know you and does not trust you enough to not disrupt the cti after hours of play he can tell you to turn off ecp. Either accept it or don't play there.

[suma 8]

For improved invalid ID detection check 1.96a beta and let us know how it works.

[Ex0dUd 0]

thx BIS

cant wait for linux version of server 1.96a :P

[sicilian 0]

Thx to you and your team reacting so fast.

The ALSR w32 Server will be updated for testing puposes now!

Report will follow as soon as possible!

Its always nice working on the same probs and then getting such news from your side!  

@Ex0

Lets wait until the w32 server works well with it. Before that point nobody needs to waste any time for linux   cause there's much more work to do than only detecting invalid IDs...

[backwoods 0]

Fuckin A!  Thank you BIS!!

[NKVD 0]

only against long IDs ? well, it was easy before to spot them and kick...not a big deal..

but does patch 1.96a protect against this -> http://www.flashpoint2.ru/cheat-wow.jpg ??

[backwoods 0]

No but it will prevent assholes who use those cheats from using ID changers which in effect, utilize the 12 digit IDs.

[RN Malboeuf 12]

I never did claim something like that. Another lie you make up. But that you have to resort to personal attacks shows that you have no arguments to back up your bullshit claims. Get a life.

Quote[/b] ]I already told them, they don't care. They will ban subranges until they have effectively banned one whole country....

Thanks Suma

ohh and benu