The Iraq thread 3

[bn880 5]

I think this report highlights the propaganda issue from the Coalition perfectly:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/31912.pdf

Notice how many attacks/casualties are overlooked to make it appear like the number of terrorist attacks has decreased with the War on Terror. Goto page 20.

Here is a press report on it: http://www.reuters.com/newsArt....5484629

This has been discussed already.

Try not changing the subject. Do you have contrary documentation showing a different status for the phone and telephone infrastructures in Iraq before and after the war, or don't you?

I have not changed the subject, it was someone else, i am talking about the issue of information and propaganda as it relates to your incredibly one sided sources.

[denoir 0]

I find that if I balance the news from the Daily Show and the Onion, I can keep myself informed and unbiased.

Obviously there is an issue of agreeing on what media qualifies to be called 'mainstream' and/or 'unbiased'. And of course on an absolute scale there is no such thing as 'unbiased'.

However for all practical reasons on average people agree on what constitutes 'legitimate' reporting.

[theavonlady 2]

You made a production about the radio talkshow, you have not proven anything yet.

You asked me for proof of a spoof? Have you recently been laid off of work that you've got nothing better to do?

[theavonlady 2]

I think this report highlights the propaganda issue from the Coalition perfectly:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/31912.pdf

Notice how many attacks/casualties are overlooked to make it appear like the number of terrorist attacks has decreased with the War on Terror.  Goto page 20.

Here is a press report on it: http://www.reuters.com/newsArt....5484629

This has been discussed already.

Try not changing the subject. Do you have contrary documentation showing a different status for the phone and telephone infrastructures in Iraq before and after the war, or don't you?

I have not changed the subject, it was someone else, i am talking about the issue of information and propaganda as it relates to your incredibly one sided sources.

So I asked you now to present your own completely one-sided sources. Simple as that!

[bn880 5]

I am not the one who questioned the Radio Report. You are.

[theavonlady 2]

I am not the one who questioned the Radio Report.  You are.

I did not question the radio report article, which I myself posted. I spoofed it. You questioned what my spoof was based on. I responded with the USA Today article about electricity distribution prior to the war.

I hope this interests you.

[theavonlady 2]

Sadly but not suprisingly:

Quote[/b] ]Militants in Iraq Kill S. Korean Hostage

AP - 16 minutes ago

An Iraqi militant group has beheaded its South Korean hostage, Al-Jazeera television reported Tuesday, just hours after a go-between said the execution had been delayed and there were negotiations for the man's release.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Its like you don't know this is an information war, and a key to any success and power of the coalition is propaganda, especially at home.  Thanks for working for the coalition Avon. ;)

so is AQ my friend. both sides do it. but some fail to see that

avon, denoir posted it last page.

[theavonlady 2]

avon, denoir posted it last page.

Missed it. Was distracted by some stupid pick of Bin Laden in pink.

[ralphwiggum 6]

avon, denoir posted it last page.

Missed it. Was distracted by some stupid pick of Bin Laden in pink.

yes. so obvious even in your spelling.

anyways, anyone celebrating June 30th here?

[Veovis 0]

Quote[/b] ]However for all practical reasons on average people agree on what constitutes 'legitimate' reporting.

But fake news makes the world seem so much happier!

On a more serious note... I'm interested in the reconstruction effort. I see very few solid articles on the topic. Liberal news only reports death and explosions, and Fox News reports we're building Iraq into a bustling metropolis. It's almost sad, in a way, that Iraq is so hotly and passionately debated. Everybody picks a side, and as a result, all we see is various news agencies showing us what their political agenda wants us to see.

Jon Stewart's agenda, however, is to make me laugh.

[theavonlady 2]

anyways, anyone celebrating June 30th here?

You must be kidding!

[theavonlady 2]

And again.

Quote[/b] ]Airstrike Targets Fallujah Terror Hideout

19 minutes ago

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The United States launched an airstrike Tuesday in Fallujah on a safehouse used by followers of Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi — the second strike against the terror network in three days, the U.S. military said.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, the U.S.-led coalition's deputy chief of operations, said the strike involved precision weapons to "target and destroy" the safehouse and was based on "multiple confirmations of actionable intelligence."

"Wherever and whenever we find elements of the Zarqawi network, we will attack them," he said.

Large explosions rocked the restive Sunni Muslim city west of Baghdad. Ambulances raced to the area after the 10:30 p.m. blasts. Wounded and dead were being evacuated, said Iraqi Police Col. Mekky Zeidan.

U.S. officials offered no casualty figures, but Al-Jazeera television reported that three people were killed and six were wounded.

An attack in the same area Saturday leveled a building U.S. officials said was a suspected al-Zarqawi safehouse. Fallujah officials claimed the house was owned by an Iraqi family and that no foreign terrorists were there.

Al-Zarqawi, who is thought to have ties to al-Qaida, has been blamed for a string of car bombs across Iraq (news - web sites), including a blast last week that killed 35 people and wounded 145 at an Iraqi military recruiting center in Baghdad.

His Monotheism and Jihad movement carried through Tuesday on its threat to behead South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il after South Korea (news - web sites) refused to withdraw its troops from Iraq.

[reconmercs 0]

I'm kinda surprised this thread is still alive as it is...the fact is war has turned into what the Israeli-Palestine conflict is...ONE HUGE CLUSTER FUCK. period

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I'm kinda surprised this thread is still alive as it is...the fact is war has turned into what the Israeli-Palestine conflict is...ONE HUGE CLUSTER FUCK. period

First it was Vietnam and now its the Israeli-Palestine Conflict.....not saying that you said that but others said Vietnam (a certain senator)

[Badgerboy 0]

Hi all,

Regarding the 8 British 'Soldiers' being held captive, the Iranians showed footage of the weapons seized. They had the craft, plus sidearms.

A M4, and M16/203.......

Regular troops carry SA-80's, but British Special Forces carry M4's and 203's. Looks like 8 SBS guys got picked up!

(Special Boat Service. The naval version of the SAS)

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

wernt they training Iraqi's?, arnt they Armed with old US stuff?

[reconmercs 0]

Hi all,

Regarding the 8 British 'Soldiers' being held captive, the Iranians showed footage of the weapons seized. They had the craft, plus sidearms.

A M4, and M16/203.......

Regular troops carry SA-80's, but British Special Forces carry M4's and 203's. Looks like 8 SBS guys got picked up!

(Special Boat Service. The naval version of the SAS)

LOL...u honestly believe that...if by chance they were SBS or SAS, the news would be talking about a BUNCH of dead iranians in a border clash with unknown forces

[reconmercs 0]

Quote[/b] ]I'm kinda surprised this thread is still alive as it is...the fact is war has turned into what the Israeli-Palestine conflict is...ONE HUGE CLUSTER FUCK. period

First it was Vietnam and now its the Israeli-Palestine Conflict.....not saying that you said that but others said Vietnam (a certain senator)

ur right their not my worlds..and I would never call this another nam..I wasn't in nam and I ain't in this one either ...just repeating the words from my friends in the field...

[billybob2002 0]

Click me!!!!!

Click on U.S. Airstrikes in Fallujah Take High Toll and it is a radio report by NPR (this is not that bias and was about the first airstrike)....

Interesting that the injured and dead were accompanied by heavily armed men with automatic weapons who basically took over the hospital and manned positions. Furthermore, the doctor said the bodies he saw (so far) were of non-iraqi men (and he talked to the people who came in also). The reporter said that when the house was stuck, it just blew up because of explosives inside of it.

NPR is the public radio called liberal sometimes.

Edit: Quicksand......

[theavonlady 2]

Click me!!!!!

Click on U.S. Airstrikes in Fallujah Take High Toll and it is a radio report by NPR (this is not that bias and was about the first airstrike)....

Thanks for working for the coalition, NPR.

[theavonlady 2]

Ding! Dong! Al-Zarqawi calling!

Quote[/b] ]Fugitive Vows to Assassinate Iraqi Leader

2 minutes ago

By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - An audio recording purportedly made by al-Qaida-linked militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi threatened to assassinate Iraq (news - web sites)'s interim prime minister and said the fight against "infidels" would continue "until Islamic rule is back on earth."

The recording, discovered online Wednesday, was believed to be al-Zarqawi's first reaction to the interim government, headed by Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, that was named in late May.

"As for you, Allawi ... you don't know that you have already survived traps we made for you. We promise you that we will continue the game with you until the end," the online recording said. "We will not get bored until we make you drink from the same glass that Izzadine Saleem tasted."

Saleem, a former Governing Council president also known as Abdel-Zahraa Othman, was killed May 18 in a car bombing in Baghdad.

"You (Allawi) are the symbol of evil and the infidel nation; you are the source of all traitors," the recording said.

Allawi heads an interim government that is to take over at the end of June.

"We will carry on our jihad against the Western infidel and the Arab apostate until Islamic rule is back on earth," the voice said.

There was no way to authenticate the recording, but the voice sounded like al-Zarqawi's.

The Jordanian terror suspect is believed to have ties to al-Qaida, and groups associated with him have claimed responsibility for a number of bombings and attacks in Iraq, most recently Tuesday's beheading of South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il.

After news of the beheading and the discovery of Kim's body, U.S. forces launched an airstrike in Fallujah on what it said was a safehouse used by followers of al-Zarqawi. Three people were killed and nine wounded in the strike, said a doctor at Fallujah hospital

But on the recording, the voice purported to be al-Zarqawi said he was not in Fallujah.

"I am like a tourist in Iraq. I move along the country staying with my family and brothers," he said.

There was no date on the 16-minute recording, which surfaced on an Islamic Web site known as a clearinghouse for statements and videos from al-Qaida and other extremist groups.

The speaker compared Allawi to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, whom he said was installed by the United States.

"The indirect occupation is the most effective weapon to be used against this nation. The infidel foreigner who aims at stealing the nation, looting its riches and enslaving it, is replaced ... with hypocrites who wear the same skin and have the same tongue of this nation," he said.

"The Arab countries around us are commanded by the White House through mediators who are very devoted to their (American) masters," the voice said.

He warned Islamic nations to "be careful of the cunning of the infidels."

"Americans and the new Karzai of Iraq can steal the victory the sons of Iraq accomplished in Fallujah," he said.

U.S. forces are stepping up their pursuit of al-Zarqawi, 36, considered the most dangerous foreign fighter in Iraq. Earlier this month, U.S. aircraft dropped leaflets over Iraq reminding people of a $10 million reward for information leading to his killing or capture.

[quicksand 0]

Quote[/b] ]Interesting that the injured and dead were accompanied by heavily armed men with automatic weapons who basically took over the hospital and manned positions

Extremly!It couldn`t be just what the reporter said that they were protecting it out of fear of a new siege.I mean who would actually think US millitary is capable of such a thing,it`s not like they`ve lost close to a 1.000 lifes in the last one.

Quote[/b] ]Furthermore, the doctor said the bodies he saw (so far) were of non-iraqi men (and he talked to the people who came in also).

Sorry,I couldn`t catch his name nor have I heared his voice could he have been this doctor?

Anger in Fallujah

Quote[/b] ]A Fallujah doctor, Fadhil al-Baddrani, told the British Observer that the house belonged to Mohammed Hamadi, a 65-year-old farmer. “The whole family is gone. The blast was so powerful it blew them to pieces. We could only recognize the women by their long hair.â€

Quote[/b] ] The reporter said that when the house was stuck, it just blew up because of explosives inside of it.

Indeed,the reporter was 20 metres away from the scene and he distinctly saw how the house blew up,confirming Kimmit`s exact words.

[brgnorway 0]

Hi all,

Regarding the 8 British 'Soldiers' being held captive, the Iranians showed footage of the weapons seized. They had the craft, plus sidearms.

A M4, and M16/203.......

Regular troops carry SA-80's, but British Special Forces carry M4's and 203's. Looks like 8 SBS guys got picked up!

(Special Boat Service. The naval version of the SAS)

LOL...u honestly believe that...if by chance they were SBS or SAS, the news would be talking about a BUNCH of dead iranians in a border clash with unknown forces

Do you honestly believe SAS/SBS would engage iranian soldiers in Iranian territory? In what possible way would that benefit the relationship between Iran and England?

Even the military high command wouldn't dream of doing stupid things like that!

And furthermore - SAS/SBS/SEALS or whatever are not supermen. They are soldiers who's tactical knowledge and skills would be totally wasted in an open environment - in daylight. Even an average Joe could fight them in their own regular environment.

[Longinius 1]

Good news from Iraq guys!

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4025