The Iraq thread 3

[Chill 0]

The sad fact is that the USA are just plain and simple the new Rome!! No respect for life other than their own.

Heres what the "Freedom Fighting Soldiers" are like!!

He has 12 confirmed kills. One for every month he's been here. But, he says, it's not unusual for his unit, Bravo 1-36 of the 1st Armored Division, which has been deployed in Iraq longer than any other division.

"It was wow, I just killed a man," he says, "you start thinking he coulda been a guy just protecting his family. But then you think, ok he's running around out here with an AK-47 shooting at us--then you just get over it. Move on."

http://www.kevinsites.net/2004_05_30_archive.html

Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers! For they shall be called the sons of God.

[ralphwiggum 6]

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http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/20/iraq.main/index.html

Quote[/b] ](CNN) -- The Arabic-language television network Al-Jazeera broadcast a videotape Sunday night of a man identified as a South Korean hostage whose captors threatened to behead him unless his government quits the U.S.-led coalition occupying Iraq.

On the videotape the man cried in English, "Please get out of here. I don't want to die. ... Your life is important, but my life is important."

The South Korean Foreign Ministry confirmed that the man shown in the videotape is Kim Sun-il, 33, who works for a trading company. It was not known when or how he was taken hostage.

The Foreign Ministry planned an emergency meeting Monday morning to discuss Seoul's reaction to the development and steps to take toward Kim's release.

An official with the South Korean Embassy in Washington said South Korea has about 600 troops in the country and plans to send another 3,000.

The deployment will make South Korea the third-largest contributor to coalition forces, after the United States and Britain. (Full story)

The video showed Kim seated in front of three men whose faces were covered with scarves.

Two of the men held rifles; the third delivered an ultimatum to South Korea's government.

"We ask the government of South Korea and the people of Korea to pull their forces out of Iraq and not to send additional forces," the man said.

"Otherwise, we will send this hostage's head back to them and, God willing, we will kill more of your troops in Iraq. And you have 24 hours, starting tonight."

In Baghdad, South Korea's ambassador to Iraq said he was aware of the tape and had no comment.

Al-Jazeera's editor in chief, Ahmed al-Sheikh, said the tape was left Sunday at the network's office in Baghdad and that he verified it was authentic before broadcasting segments of it. He did not broadcast the entire tape because some of it was repetitious, he said.

[shinRaiden 0]

Was he there officially? The 3 Japanese hostages freed several months ago have had to go into hiding back home, having been socially austrocized for going to Iraq against the warning of the Japanese governement to stay home. Having 'disgraced' themselves, their families are in mourning about the disrespectful behaviour of their insolent kids. Food for thought.

[theavonlady 2]

Was he there officially?

The video was just on the morning news here.

Quote[/b] ]South Korean Held in Iraq Pleads for Life

58 minutes ago

By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - The Arab satellite TV network Al-Jazeera aired a videotape Sunday purportedly from al-Qaida-linked militants showing a South Korean hostage begging for his life and pleading with his government to withdraw troops from Iraq.

The kidnappers, who identified themselves as belonging to a group led by Jordanian-born militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, gave South Korea (news - web sites) 24 hours to meet its demand that Korean forces stay out of Iraq or "we will send you the head of this Korean."

"Korean soldiers, please get out of here," the man screamed in English, flailing his arms. "I don't want to die. I don't want to die. I know that your life is important, but my life is important."

South Korean media identified the hostage as Kim Sun-il, 33, an employee of South Korea's Gana General Trading, Co., a supplier for the U.S. military.

[theavonlady 2]

The sad fact is that the USA are just plain and simple the new Rome!!

That can be confirmed by US pizza consumption per capita statistics. Otherwise, this is nonsense.

Other than that, it's Al-Queda living out "Dar al-Harb" that's brought the US to the region.

Quote[/b] ]No respect for life other than their own.

This coming from people who crash loaded passenger planes into densly occupied office towers, burn bodies and hang them from town bridges, take hostages and saw their heads off.

[Chill 0]

Here we go Avon

AN AMERICAN F-16 jet fired missiles into a residential area in the flashpoint Sunni city of Fallujah yesterday, killing at least 22 members of one extended family.

A US spokesman said the aircraft had been targeting a safe house belonging to the terrorist network run by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian directing a suicide bombing campaign against coalition forces in the new Iraqi security organisations.

One american dies, 22 iraq's get killed.

[theavonlady 2]

Here we go Avon

Again.

Quote[/b] ]AN AMERICAN F-16 jet fired missiles into a residential area in the flashpoint Sunni city of Fallujah yesterday, killing at least 22 members of one extended family.

Had you bothered reading back a page or two, you would see how the reports coming out of Iraq conflict almost 100% and each side's players have their motives. Are they both right? Both wrong? One is lying? I don't know yet. It would appear that neither does the world press yet, as of the time I'm posting here.

Quote[/b] ]A US spokesman said the aircraft had been targeting a safe house belonging to the terrorist network run by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian directing a suicide bombing campaign against coalition forces in the new Iraqi security organisations.

One american dies, 22 iraq's get killed.

If they hit the correct target and if many of those casualties are indeed the terrorists the US claims were there, why don't you tell us your problem with that?

If it turns out that the US goofed and blundered, then the point is not that 22 Iraqis got killed but that 22 uninvolved and innocent Iraqis git killed.

I don't know any better than the news agencies at this moment what actually occurred and who exactly the victims are. Neither do you. But I've expressed my opinions either way this story finalizes.

[theavonlady 2]

CSI Baghdad!

Quote[/b] ]Judge Declares Abu Ghraib a Crime Scene

1 hour, 8 minutes ago  

By FISNIK ABRASHI and JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writers

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A military judge on Monday declared the notorious Abu Ghraib prison a crime scene that cannot be demolished as President Bush (news - web sites) had offered. He also refused to move the trial of a soldier accused of abusing inmates.

Rest of the story at the above link.

[theavonlady 2]

Hail, Britannia! Britannia rules the waves!

Quote[/b] ]Iran Confiscates U.K. Military Vessels

1 minute ago

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran confiscated three British military vessels Monday and arrested eight armed crew members, state-run television reported.

The three British ships entered Iranian territorial waters not far from the Iran-Iraq border, the Arabic language Al-Alam television reported. The station is part of the state-run Iranian radio and television network.

"Iranian forces confiscated the ships and eight military personnel on board," the report said.

The television report said crew members were carrying maps and weapons. It also said the ships were confiscated at about 11 a.m. (0630 GMT) between the Bahmanshir and Arvand rivers, which would put them in the Shatt al-Arab waterway east of the Iraqi city of Faw. The broadcast gave no further details.

In London, the Ministry of Defense said it was investigating the report but did not know if it was true. There were no British warships operating in the Shatt al-Arab waterway, but some smaller vessels were there, the ministry said.

"We are assisting the Iraqi water police there so it may be one of those vessels," a spokesman said on condition of anonymity. "We don't know."

The Foreign Office said British diplomats in Tehran had been in contact with the Iranian government but it was still unclear what had happened.

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]Iran Confiscates U.K. Military Vessels

3 minutes ago

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran confiscated three British military vessels Monday and arrested eight armed crew members, state-run television reported.

The three British ships entered Iranian territorial waters not far from the Iran-Iraq (news - web sites) border, the Arabic language Al-Alam television reported. The station is part of the state-run Iranian radio and television network.

"Iranian forces confiscated the ships and eight military personnel on board," the report said.

The television report said crew members were carrying maps and weapons. It also said the ships were confiscated at about 11 a.m. (0630 GMT) between the Bahmanshir and Arvand rivers, which would put them in the Shatt al-Arab waterway east of the Iraqi city of Faw. The broadcast gave no further details.

In London, the Ministry of Defense said it was investigating the report but did not know if it was true. There were no British warships operating in the Shatt al-Arab waterway, but some smaller vessels were there, the ministry said.

"We are assisting the Iraqi water police there so it may be one of those vessels," a spokesman said on condition of anonymity. "We don't know."

The Foreign Office said British diplomats in Tehran had been in contact with the Iranian government but it was still unclear what had happened.

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Quote[/b] ]Was he there officially? The 3 Japanese hostages freed several months ago have had to go into hiding back home, having been socially austrocized for going to Iraq against the warning of the Japanese governement to stay home. Having 'disgraced' themselves, their families are in mourning about the disrespectful behaviour of their insolent kids. Food for thought.

Food for thought for what? That somehow the treatement of the hostages is justified? They were there as journalists and peace activists. Not contractors or mercenaries. Japan technically shouldn't be there itself.

Quote[/b] ]The sad fact is that the USA are just plain and simple the new Rome!! No respect for life other than their own.

Flamebait if I ever saw it...

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (CNN) -- Islamic militants who abducted and beheaded American engineer Paul Johnson say sympathetic Saudi security forces aided their kidnapping operation with police uniforms and vehicles -- an allegation a top Saudi official denied.

CNN

[ozanzac 0]

Hail, Britannia! Britannia rules the waves!

Quote[/b] ]Iran Confiscates U.K. Military Vessels

1 minute ago  

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran confiscated three British military vessels Monday and arrested eight armed crew members, state-run television reported.

The three British ships entered Iranian territorial waters not far from the Iran-Iraq border, the Arabic language Al-Alam television reported. The station is part of the state-run Iranian radio and television network.

"Iranian forces confiscated the ships and eight military personnel on board," the report said.

The television report said crew members were carrying maps and weapons. It also said the ships were confiscated at about 11 a.m. (0630 GMT) between the Bahmanshir and Arvand rivers, which would put them in the Shatt al-Arab waterway east of the Iraqi city of Faw. The broadcast gave no further details.

In London, the Ministry of Defense said it was investigating the report but did not know if it was true. There were no British warships operating in the Shatt al-Arab waterway, but some smaller vessels were there, the ministry said.

"We are assisting the Iraqi water police there so it may be one of those vessels," a spokesman said on condition of anonymity. "We don't know."

The Foreign Office said British diplomats in Tehran had been in contact with the Iranian government but it was still unclear what had happened.

Hello! This adds yet another dimension to the conflict in the region!

What ships were they. And what the hell! How could there be confusion in the higher ranks over this? Doesn't sound quite right.

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

sounds like a its time to bring back Gunboat diplomacy.

[theavonlady 2]

Hello! This adds yet another dimension to the conflict in the region!

What ships were they. And what the hell! How could there be confusion in the higher ranks over this? Doesn't sound quite right.

I think it's just an isolated incident, sort of like between N&S Korea.

They must have been very small patrol craft, considerring the total amount of crew Iran says it's holding.

I bet it will be sorted out through the usual diplomatic channels right away.

If not, start buying yellow ribbons.

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

We could take Iran anyday.

[SpongeBob 0]

Quote[/b] ]Iran Confiscates U.K. Military Vessels

3 minutes ago

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran confiscated three British military vessels Monday and arrested eight armed crew members, state-run television reported.

The three British ships entered Iranian territorial waters not far from the Iran-Iraq (news - web sites) border, the Arabic language Al-Alam television reported. The station is part of the state-run Iranian radio and television network.

"Iranian forces confiscated the ships and eight military personnel on board," the report said.

The television report said crew members were carrying maps and weapons. It also said the ships were confiscated at about 11 a.m. (0630 GMT) between the Bahmanshir and Arvand rivers, which would put them in the Shatt al-Arab waterway east of the Iraqi city of Faw. The broadcast gave no further details.

In London, the Ministry of Defense said it was investigating the report but did not know if it was true. There were no British warships operating in the Shatt al-Arab waterway, but some smaller vessels were there, the ministry said.

"We are assisting the Iraqi water police there so it may be one of those vessels," a spokesman said on condition of anonymity. "We don't know."

The Foreign Office said British diplomats in Tehran had been in contact with the Iranian government but it was still unclear what had happened.

Here's a pic of seven of the eight British sailors.  

...a three hour tour...

[Koolkid101 0]

Hmm how is it a warship if it has only 8 crew

[theavonlady 2]

Hmm how is it a warship if it has only 8 crew

Three ships - not one.

A military Zodiac would qualify.

[Longinius 1]

Or something like these:

http://home.online.no/~hoevde/s90n.htm

Provided one guy jumped in to the water and swam away... Crewed by three men / boat. Pretty cool pieces of machinery.

Two Swedish conscripts were sadly killed a couple of days ago in an accident involving two of these boats. They collided, one of them crashing into the rear of the other, killing two of the crew-men standing on it.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]We could take Iran anyday.

Very unlikely with 3 iranian Brigades massed at the Iraqi border and MRMS´s ready to go.

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

nuke em but anyways i wonder what craft they where using, seeing as i don't think any RM commandos are in country yet, could be hovercraft? but then they would probally have more men in them.

MRMS'?

[Balschoiw 0]

I guess it were some of those vessels:

They are used for training purposes atm.

MRMS´s are Medium Range Missile Systems.

Edit: If they were captured at the river the Iranians most likely used a Hudong class missile boat or a Parvin boat.

[Badgerboy 0]

We could take Iran anyday.

Not with the amount of troops we have in theatre. The Iranians would roll straight over us, and then give the US a good kicking as well.

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

We could take Iran anyday.

Not with the amount of troops we have in theatre. The Iranians would roll straight over us, and then give the US a good kicking as well.

S-A-R-C-A-S-M

i know some think some of the things i say on these forums are total pish and rubbish but i do realise that our strength in Iraqi is not enough to fight a war against a country.

[theavonlady 2]

It does not mean they are right, right (estimate)? You put tens which is highly unlikely.

Not at all. There were two major organized projects for finding that data. One was by associated press (AP) which looked through records of half of Iraq's hospitals. They counted about 4,000 people. These were however only people that had actually died in the hospitals i.e it was a count of the mortally wounded and that only in half of the hospitals. They did not look at morgue records or similar.

The second organized attempt is the Iraqi body count project that base their results only on things reported in the media. They report around 10,000 dead.

Both the AP and IBC numbers are very incomplete. The AP numbers only include those that actually died inside half of Iraq's hospitals and the IBC numbers only include the deaths specifically reported in the media.

Both projects also only cover civilian deaths. At least 2-3 armored divisions were wiped out and equally many infantry divisions. And that's tens of thousands of men, right there.

One more organization has documented civilian deaths from March through July 2003.

The Iraq Survey reports 2081 civilian deaths.