Marine assault pack

[gazmen 0]

Please Suchey answer my question please ?

Do you have in plan to make others weapons ?

[9mm 0]

So we've got the name for the first booster pack:

a 7.62mm Pack ;)

7.62x54 mm (Moreph):

PK  - Machine gunner

Dragunov - Sniper (marksman?)

7.62x51 mm (USMC):

M240G - Machine gunner

M14 DMR (Designated marksman)

M40 (sniper)

[nickless 0]

By the way, the SEALs will be replacing the M60/Mk43 by the Mk48 Mod 0, that's basically a Mk46/M249 in 7,62mmx51 NATO caliber:

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[gazmen 0]

So we've got the name for the first booster pack:

a 7.62mm Pack ;)

7.62x54 mm (Moreph):

PK  - Machine gunner

Dragunov - Sniper (marksman?)

7.62x51 mm (USMC):

M240G - Machine gunner

M14 DMR (Designated marksman)

M40 (sniper)

Hi, 9mm

Are you a part of Bacobomb mod ?

[Drill Sergeant 0]

By the way, the SEALs will be replacing the M60/MK43 by the Mk48 Mod 0, that's basically a Mk46/M349 in 7,62mmx51 NATO caliber:

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They have the option to use that but under the newer programs the US Army wants all one caliber, and the MK43 and the MK46 are two difernt units to my knowledge.

The M60e4 Is the more popular version of the M60e3, notice the forgrips are difernt among other things?

As for the M240 you are right I just didn't want to go threw all the work of finding that model. Us Army needs everything with a barrel shroud so noobs don't burnthemselves too badly.

But for SOF units and certain other units, it's all down to opperator preference.

[9mm 0]

Hi, 9mm

Are you a part of Bacobomb mod ?

Unfortunately, i am not.

[AKM 0]

Ahh, 'Allo Tom if that is you.

I've never heard of this M-60E4 being in active service, but I only heard of it today, which'd explain a lot.

I suppose one of the major issues with the 5.56x45mm NATO round is that it is lighter and smaller than a good ol' 7.62x39 or 7.62x51mm which means smaller holes, less stopping power, et cetera. The M-16 is still a viable weapon, but the M-4A1's been having some problems because of the shorter barrel reducing an already weaker round's hit and kill ratios lower than they should be - the Afghanis are not THAT tough, I'm sure if the SF guys who've been reporting this were using M-16 rifles, they'd have dropped their targets. Apparently some Afghani fighters can take anywheres from 2 to 8 rounds in center mass... which seems odd when you think about it. But I've only ever heard that reported with the M-4A1.

AK

[Cloney 0]

2-8 Rounds?! Why is that so bad? Just keep shooting them, the rifle is semi-automatic, not bolt action and it's also not like they pay for the ammo.

[ran 0]

2-8 Rounds?! Why is that so bad? Just keep shooting them, the rifle is semi-automatic, not bolt action and it's also not like they pay for the ammo.

you don't carry an ammo factory on your back ...

2 to 8 rounds in long duties and engagements is a lot

i wouldn't want to waste a 3rd of a magazine (slightly exaggerating but well ....) on a single target

[Harnu 0]

i wouldn't want to waste a 3rd of a magazine (slightly exaggerating but well ....) on a single target

So use a fifty cal

[ran 0]

i wouldn't want to waste a 3rd of a magazine (slightly exaggerating but well ....) on a single target

So use a fifty cal    

i don't want the enemy to be jealous because of my gun

[AKM 0]

Carrying a .50 would be a bitch, and make you a lot more likely target for being wasted by riflemen. I'd probably shoot the man with the .50 Barret before I turned my attentions on the guys with the "lesser" firearms on a distance engagement.

And 2-8 rounds from a M-4, engaging a target that would be dead with a single round from a M-16 at longer ranges is damn annoying - you run out of ammo easily if you arn't careful, and if your firearm takes longer to drop them when theirs can put you down with one, its BS.

*Watches the off-topic meter swing wildly into the red*

AK

[ran 0]

Carrying a .50 would be a bitch, and make you a lot more likely target for being wasted by riflemen. I'd probably shoot the man with the .50 Barret before I turned my attentions on the guys with the "lesser" firearms on a distance engagement.

a barret isn't such a threat in this kind of conditon because :

1- infantry squads are issued with Barret AMrifles or any kind of .50 sniper except under very special circumstances

2- if taken apart during an ambush , the Barret gunner won't have the time to get his weapon ready for such a firefight :

1- zero-ing of the sights

2- try to get a good LoS during an ambush with such a bigass thing as a .50 AM rifle

3- once you have your line of sight on the attackers , identify the threats (a .50 AM rifle isn't an HMG so , you better not waste ammo)

4- find a prioritary target in the above identified threats

5- shoot it

6- re-cock your weapon if it's not a semi-auto

7- repeat procedure from 4-

well , the procedure described above is just a WAG since I don't have a heavy sniper/marksman formation

i was kidding with the .50 , and i was talking about a M2HB

[AKM 0]

Ach. Nevermind.

Still... We're getting off topic. I suggested a PKM because the RPK-74M doesn't quite measure up to the M-249 evenly - giving the USMC a bit of an advantage when their M-249 eats the entire platoon of Russians and they can't really effectively lay down a base of fire with a 45 round magazine - not quite important though... I know that MORPEH use the PKM, which is why I brought that up. The problem is now finding an equivalent American weapon to even the scales once again... re-issue a M-60E3 to 'em, or a M-240G?

AK

[Gollum1 0]

M240G, definitely.

I agree that the RPK is really mismatched against the SAW, I mean, 45 rounds? A drum mag with at least 75 rounds would be great for the next version, right now the RPK is basically an assault rifle with an extended magazine, not suited for suppressive fire at all.

[hellfish6 7]

M-240G.

[ran 0]

Ach. Nevermind.

Still... We're getting off topic. I suggested a PKM because the RPK-74M doesn't quite measure up to the M-249 evenly - giving the USMC a bit of an advantage when their M-249 eats the entire platoon of Russians and they can't really effectively lay down a base of fire with a 45 round magazine - not quite important though... I know that MORPEH use the PKM, which is why I brought that up. The problem is now finding an equivalent American weapon to even the scales once again... re-issue a M-60E3 to 'em, or a M-240G?

AK

well , the RPK-74M is the equivalent of the M249 when it comes to its role and the PKM is the equivalent of the M240G

consider that the russians have a certain advantage with the BS-1 silenced grenade launcher (blowing up whole squads while staying unnoticed) or with the RPG-16 rockets dropping less than the SMAW ones

and i haven't tested , but the RPK can keep the same accuracy as an assault rifle while the M249 has a larger dispersion radius (could anybody test it to prove me right or wrong on this one ?)

[r71 0]

The average human only needs to lose about 20% of blood volume (only 1 liter) to induce shock and lose consciousness.  50% (2.5 liters) almost always causes death.  Severe damage to a major vessel can cause as much as 1.5 liters a minute in hemorrhaging.

Wolf 55 grain FMJBT from a 1:9 Bushmaster 16" after striking gel @ 2855 fps.

Fragmentation and wound volume are minimal, but I dont think your going to be able to fight much after this. And look what happened to the people that got hit in the U.S. by that sniper. I think you need to rethink your 2-8 round stroy.

Anyways... That RPK74M 1P29 has alot less recoil then the M249 in this pack. If you notice the M249 hits highand low in two spots only when you fire. The RPK only hits in one spot, so its much better for longer range. If the RPK had the 100 round drum I would rather use that then the M249. I dont know if they can fix that fire in two spot thing... It just looks so odd when you fire it  

[hellfish6 7]

The RPK gunner can also carry an RPG, while the SAW gunner cannot. The RPK is, essentially, a fully auto assault rifle with a larger magazine, whereas the SAW is a true light machinegun.

[Gollum1 0]

The RPK gunner can also carry an RPG, while the SAW gunner cannot. The RPK is, essentially, a fully auto assault rifle with a larger magazine, whereas the SAW is a true light machinegun.

IMO that's a Bad Thing , because every squad needs an MG for supportive fire. Why do you think real life militaries use LMGs?

(Not aimed at you, Hellfish. )

@R71: LESS recoil than the SAW? How is that possible? I'm playing OFP on FDF mod with increased recoil and I can fire it like an assault rifle on full auto while standing up. Sure, I've heard that the real FN Minimi has very little recoil, but really... It's a super weapon, I hope the recoil is increased a bit.

[Heatseeker 0]

Gun discusion?, i thought the thread was about the Marine/Naval infantry addon .

Anyway, they are perfect, i really like the camo and how it works well in diferent environment, their hands look so much better, the spetznas and force recons actually have nails on their fingers and i also like the wrist watch detail.

I like every single one of these units, they feel like their what should have come with the game and the fact they come balanced for both sides only makes it better, hope that in future releases the makers will keep releasing units for west and east. The bleeding blackout efect is great and is also a great way to enforce teamplay in mp i guess.

Ive noticed they do a diferent sound when crawling, very nice. The weapons are just the best ive played with, everything is perfect from models and textures to fire and reload sounds and sights, best rifles ever.

All this goodness i played with many units @ 1240x1024x32 and high detail settings and no performance drop noticed, amazing how we can play OPF with such detailed and great looking units without loosing performance. If OPF standard units and everything else was this detailed and great the game would be much more realistic and a true masterpiece .

[Baron von Beer 0]

With this pack "More" recoil = some recoil, as opposed to less= none. I have been using the pack, but not the weapons (with the exception of AT and the shotgun. ) I've fired an MP-5A2 full auto ( A real one, not talking about in game) , and it kicked more than the M249, AK, and M4 in this mod. (And it didn't kick much at all, compared to any firearm I've fired, let alone a full auto weapon) I understand the statement of the weapons are balanced WRT to the opponents weapons within the pack, but this could have been achieved with more realistic weapon recoil as well, I imagine. At the least, will keep my fingers crossed for an "extra" weapon set, with kick turned up. That way, those that wan't these for quick easy n deadly fights don't loose weapons they like as well. (simple addition of the config to make 2 versions of each weapon)

[r71 0]

The RPK gunner can also carry an RPG, while the SAW gunner cannot. The RPK is, essentially, a fully auto assault rifle with a larger magazine, whereas the SAW is a true light machinegun.

IMO that's a Bad Thing â„¢, because every squad needs an MG for supportive fire. Why do you think real life militaries use LMGs?

(Not aimed at you, Hellfish. )

@R71: LESS recoil than the SAW? How is that possible? I'm playing OFP on FDF mod with increased recoil and I can fire it like an assault rifle on full auto while standing up. Sure, I've heard that the real FN Minimi has very little recoil, but really... It's a super weapon, I hope the recoil is increased a bit.

I dont know if you would really call it more kick, but the m249 has a strange way to fire in this pack. Lets see if I can show you what I mean...

                                  hit

         M249=

                                  hit

         RPK=                   hit

If you fire 50 shots with the M249 25 will land high and 25 will land low. With the RPK all of the shots will land in one spot.

[ran 0]

With this pack "More" recoil = some recoil, as opposed to less= none.  I have been using the pack, but not the weapons (with the exception of AT and the shotgun. )  I've fired an MP-5A2 full auto ( A real one, not talking about in game) , and it kicked more than the M249, AK, and M4 in this mod. (And it didn't kick much at all, compared to any firearm I've fired, let alone a full auto weapon)  I understand the statement of the weapons are balanced WRT to the opponents weapons within the pack, but this could have been achieved with more realistic weapon recoil as well, I imagine. At the least, will keep my fingers crossed for an "extra" weapon set, with kick turned up. That way,  those that wan't these for quick easy n deadly fights don't loose weapons they like as well. (simple addition of the config to make 2 versions of each weapon)

well , here's my advice : get a good pair of arms mate

[ran 0]

The RPK gunner can also carry an RPG, while the SAW gunner cannot. The RPK is, essentially, a fully auto assault rifle with a larger magazine, whereas the SAW is a true light machinegun.

IMO that's a Bad Thing â„¢, because every squad needs an MG for supportive fire. Why do you think real life militaries use LMGs?

(Not aimed at you, Hellfish. )

@R71: LESS recoil than the SAW? How is that possible? I'm playing OFP on FDF mod with increased recoil and I can fire it like an assault rifle on full auto while standing up. Sure, I've heard that the real FN Minimi has very little recoil, but really... It's a super weapon, I hope the recoil is increased a bit.

I dont know if you would really call it more kick, but the m249 has a strange way to fire in this pack. Lets see if I can show you what I mean...

                                  hit

         M249=

                                  hit

         RPK=                   hit

If you fire 50 shots with the M249 25 will land high and 25 will land low. With the RPK all of the shots will land in one spot.

that's the dispersion i think , is there any left<->right dispersion ? if yes , then it's all normal

that's why you use machine guns .....