cervomix 0 Posted September 10, 2003 I'd never pay for an addon it's just a useless toy, but for a real mod... why not (like FDF if they had a big campaign and more units). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonko the sane 2 Posted September 10, 2003 Agreed,I've allready payed for 3 OFP cd's,so im not into paying for more extras...but: Like stated above by cervomix, if its a whole quality Mod with lots of units,island(s), with SP\MP\Campaign(s), I might just buy it I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BraTTy 0 Posted September 10, 2003 I think whats happening here is we all expect free addons, but look how many users in these forums and we are the ofp community,but just think how many customers that bought ofp and do not come to this forum,the great share of the people that prolly don't even search the web for ofp info or related items.These are the people that may barely download addons and try to figure out how to use them.I think if somebody like Bas made a addon cd with missions and a installer, it may help the others that have ofp and don't play like us.It may get that back into playing ofp if they happen to spot an add showing new addons for ofp and missions. I certainly make addons for myself (ww2 pacific era !!) my addons are not common for sure,but I also am helping pay back the community because I can't make everything and for all the addons that I used and enjoyed.And my quest to help other addons being made. I think this may be a good idea, we all gripe about the illegal campaign cd that was sold (wont mention name) apparantly it wasnt bis authorized and they were able to stop sales to other countries but in germany i hear it did sell well. addons makers gripe about stolen stuff,your welcome to uses any of my technology and make good use of it,don't go selling my planes and I didn't make all parts myself anyways,theres others involved From what I read about the eula with bis permission,this may be possible to do.But of course this community isn't necessarily what it should involve , it should be the end users that are helping the addon makers,the ones that don't have time and knowledge Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dm 9 Posted September 10, 2003 I think whats happening here is we all expect free addons... Hit the nail on the head there... No one seems to mind that games like MS Flight Sim, or Falcon 4, Half Life, or Ghost Recon all has mods that you have to pay for. I think the issue is, as Bratty said, you all expect free addons, but whether you deserve them or not is a different matter... ANYHO, before i go too far off topic, I would pay for addons, as long as they were high quality, and added new depth to the game. However, I would not allow ofp to go the ways of other games, and sell out... I think that this whole issue stems from the lack of respect and common decency that is shown to the addon makers. Think how many people have started to make addons, and then given up because people in the ofp community have been, well just plain rude. Also the way people EXPECT the addom makers to bow to their every wish, when in reality, they are often doing their very best to give you what they can... A little respect, and decency can go a VERY LONG WAY Just my 0.02$ Sorry if this was way off topic, but its my view on the reasoning behind charging for addons. Think of it this way, if you don't want to have to pay for addons in the future, be nicer to the addon makers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jester983 0 Posted September 10, 2003 I think that this whole issue stems from the lack of respect and common decency that is shown to the addon makers. Think how many people have started to make addons, and then given up because people in the ofp community have been, well just plain rude. Also the way people EXPECT the addom makers to bow to their every wish, when in reality, they are often doing their very best to give you what they can...A little respect, and decency can go a VERY LONG WAY Just my 0.02$ Sorry if this was way off topic, but its my view on the reasoning behind charging for addons. Think of it this way, if you don't want to have to pay for addons in the future, be nicer to the addon makers... You have a point there deadmeat. Not everyone acts rude to addon makers. I for one never act rude to addon makers because they are doing something for free. Ive tried to model and after following a tut and getting something in game (took me 4 hours) i have an idea how much addon makers go through to make addons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 11, 2003 No one seems to mind that games like MS Flight Sim, or Falcon 4, Half Life, or Ghost Recon all has mods that you have to pay for. I think you'll find that isn't true.....lots of people have complained about having to pay for these mods (but yes, people still bought them). The point of this thread was to ask "Would you pay....?" and the answer is "No!". Part of the reason people expect free addons is because most of us are aware of the EULA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted September 11, 2003 I'd pay only for an expansion as an addon is just a tool for a mean: a fun mission.... as of now I'd be more willing to pay for a real good and fun bugless campaign Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozanzac 0 Posted September 12, 2003 Hmmm, think of the ramifications that paying for addons would have on the community. We would no longer be a 'solid' community, but rather just a community whos willing to release their banking details online. Sorry, for me, the furtherst my banking details go when online is to my bank itself. The trust required for me to give them (an addon maker) my banking details is not really there. Considering we're talking about a 'private' game addon. Hope you lot see my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 12, 2003 Yes.....but there are alternatives like PayPal etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozanzac 0 Posted September 12, 2003 Yes.....but there are alternatives like PayPal etc. Hmmm, yeah, I spose. But I still don't like online payments. Call me old fashioned, but the less organizations my bank details are given to, the safer my account, and my hard earned money within it, is.! It's a risk I just don't feel comfortable about taking for any reason. Let alone a game addon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt_Phoenix 0 Posted September 12, 2003 I think that this whole issue stems from the lack of respect and common decency that is shown to the addon makers. Think how many people have started to make addons, and then given up because people in the ofp community have been, well just plain rude. Also the way people EXPECT the addom makers to bow to their every wish, when in reality, they are often doing their very best to give you what they can...A little respect, and decency can go a VERY LONG WAY :;) I'll have to agree with you there DM. But remember that it's usually the ones that are dissatisfied that voice their opinions. Those of us that are really enjoy these addons, seldom say much besides thank you or great addon etc. These posts are usually missed due to spamming and bickering. Back on topic: I've voted 1$, but only if it would go towards charity or as a small donation towards keeping a great MOD alive financially.(paying for webspace etc). Just my 1.02$ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dm 9 Posted September 12, 2003 But remember that it's usually the ones that are dissatisfied that voice their opinions. Those of us that are really enjoy these addons, seldom say much besides thank you or great addon etc. These posts are usually missed due to spamming and bickering. Whislt this is very true, since only the "dissatisfied customers" voice their opinions, we never really get to see the positive feedback about the addon, since we have to spend so long telling people that "yes this function IS in the addon, read the readme" or how limitations affect this that and the other. Whilst it would be nice if people didn't say crap about the addon, its not going to happen, so all we ask is read the readme, and only point out bugs/errors in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner. Many many addon makers have said this before, and I'll quote the BAS Bugpage: Quote[/b] ]If you are missing textures, tell us: "Missing textures on this part, that part and the other part."If the problem is multiplayer related, say so: "Multiplayer issues - this, that and the other does not work." If you are having problems with the AI using the addon, tell us: "AI cannot handle X, Y, and Z Functions." If you are experiencing Errors when playing with the addons in the editor: "xxx error report when previewing the addon in the editor." If you are experiencing errors in the Demo Missions: "xxx error report in YYY Mission, from the zzz pack." If you are experiencing script related issues: "xxx error reported on YYY script." or "xxx script does not work when I try YYY code." Rather than just saying "the textures suck" or "this script doesnt work", or that "the sounds are wrong/bad/shite" /me floats off into his dream world again.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatseeker 0 Posted September 12, 2003 I voted no but after reading all these pages im not sure anymore, i mean there are many addon makers that dedicate alot of their free time to give something to us all, and not just free time but alot of work developing and testing and i bet there are frustrating times when something doesnt work like it should and they have to find a fix, etc. All this done for free, shouldnt they be rewarded better for all their work, how many hours does it take to create a addon including testing and modeling, texturing, scripting and all that stuff about colecting information about the unit for a realistic representation ingame? Now think about a full mod . I think i understand the point in this thread, wouldnt you buy these guys a beer ?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozanzac 0 Posted September 12, 2003 If it makes anyone feel better I LOVE ALL YOUR ADDONS You guys and girls make this community what it is. Without you, my under-appreciated addon makers, there would be no community. You guys are the basis of the survival of this communtity and if I know you personnally, I would by buy youse all a beer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lt_Phoenix 0 Posted September 12, 2003 If it makes anyone feel betterI LOVE ALL YOUR ADDONS You guys and girls make this community what it is. Without you, my under-appreciated addon makers, there would be no community. You guys are the basis of the survival of this communtity and if I know you personnally, I would by buy youse all a beer. I second that! *good that no one knows where I live, so I'm off the hook when it comes to bying the beer, hehe *Oooops is this thing still on.... j/k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matthijs 40 Posted September 12, 2003 So how about paying $2 for a modeller? This way you don't pay for the model, which falls under the BIS O2 license, but only for the time spent modelling. The resulting work would be released publically, for free use and distribution. Yes, you would pay for what others can play with, but also YOU decide what the result should look like. Much the way add-on makers work: putting serious effort into something others will use. Why? For fun! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dauragon 0 Posted September 12, 2003 So how about paying $2 for a modeller? This way you don't pay for the model, which falls under the BIS O2 license, but only for the time spent modelling. The resulting work would be released publically, for free use and distribution.Yes, you would pay for what others can play with, but also YOU decide what the result should look like. Much the way add-on makers work: putting serious effort into something others will use. Why? For fun! though i am willing to pay 5$ to any modmaker that bring me a high quality ka-60 kasatka with fast roping script , fastly  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gourka 0 Posted September 12, 2003 Quote[/b] ]And i think what a lot of you dont realize is that a lot of addon makers LOSE money by making the addons, for example in BAS we have someone that is self employed, and lost hundreds of pounds by not working because he was busy making an addon that the majority of the community loved. Poor guy. If it's an adult person I think he need some psycological assistance just to explain what is the difference between real life and virtual life. If you lose money stop to do addons because for me making something outside my job like addons/missions/script/program/web page/etc.... is just for FUN and to relax my mind. If I feel I lose money or my nerve on it I stop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted September 12, 2003 So how about paying $2 for a modeller? This way you don't pay for the model, which falls under the BIS O2 license, but only for the time spent modelling. The resulting work would be released publically, for free use and distribution.Yes, you would pay for what others can play with, but also YOU decide what the result should look like. Much the way add-on makers work: putting serious effort into something others will use. Why? For fun! though i am willing to pay 5$ to any modmaker that bring me a high quality ka-60 kasatka with fast roping script , fastly  someone offered already $50 few months ago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoOB 0 Posted September 12, 2003 Falcon 4, Half Life, or Ghost Recon all has mods that you have to pay for. Just ouf of curiousity what Halflife mods do you have to pay for? I know it is offtopic but I have never seen one you have to pay for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozanzac 0 Posted September 12, 2003 Falcon 4, Half Life, or Ghost Recon all has mods that you have to pay for. Just ouf of curiousity what Halflife mods do you have to pay for? I know it is offtopic but I have never seen one you have to pay for. Falcon 4 of you will as well (excluding cockpit artwork) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dm 9 Posted September 12, 2003 Ever heard of something called CS? Opposing Force? Blue Shift? (yes I appreciate that CS is "standalone" but it is based (and wouldnt work without) the half life engine) As I recall, gearbox has nothing to do with Valve, or Sierra (the original publisehers of the game) except for the fact they offiliated with them after the initial publication of the "addon" packs. Day of Defeat is also out there, but most sensible people will download it for free - and this is where the OFP "pay for addons" thing comes in, there could be a "for sale" version in the shops for people who are unaware of the community, and the free download for those who are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoOB 0 Posted September 12, 2003 You never had to pay to play CS. It is availible as a free download aswell. Even though it is more convenient to buy it in the stores. But they are indeed availible as free-ware. In fact 1.6 was just released. And I only know of it being availible on the web, so far that is. EDIT: Sorry for the mods about this OT bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamesia 0 Posted September 12, 2003 I would never pay 4 an addon, even addons which you think are really origonal at the time (the LSD) become boring after a month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
@cero 0 Posted September 12, 2003 Poor guy. If it's an adult person I think he need some psycological assistance just to explain what is the difference between real life and virtual life. If you lose money stop to do addons because for me making something outside my job like addons/missions/script/program/web page/etc.... is just for FUN and to relax my mind. If I feel I lose money or my nerve on it I stop. Good point. If I was a addons maker I would do it as a hobby, the same way I make missions, for fun, in my spare time. My wife and kids come first, then work, friends, and then OFP, I only would loose money if I was buying something to do with my hobby, the same way you would expend money to buy a new line for your fishing rod, but no by loosing hours of work, no way. Is that the reason why I would not pay for an addon made by someone’s hobby or pass time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
