@cero 0 Posted June 27, 2003 Guys, this is getting more confusing at the minute, the more I read the less sure I'm about what I want. The thing is been sayed, a GF4 440 it may won't be enough by the time OFP2 come out, so I should go for at list something like 4200 OK, OK, I'll do some good research about the ones that had been mentioned in here. Thanks guys, but don't stop tallking about them, is a good way to learn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_Z 0 Posted June 27, 2003 "Dont be hating" I am just stating what I have observed in the last 2 years. Check troubleshooting forums here. Also Ravenshield www.raven-shield.com was developed keeping in mind Ati cards, and I can tell you that there is manyyyyyyy 9800 and 9700 owners that are mad like crazy because their cards have trouble rendering particles (smoke) and the game in general. I that have a ti 4200 run the game way faster than most of those individuals. If Ati would be reliable it would sure be a sure shot especially the 9500 card that can be pushed to 9700 level. But as long that there is such high of likelyhood that the card wount work with my GAMES as it should then I will not recommend it. I am all for competition as the prices always go down. My bud is an ati fanboy who has faster cpu and a radeon carder "faster" than mine who has stopped telling me his games run faster because I showed him the truth.... Yes, there were issues with Radeon cards and OFP but as I said before those were solved with driver version 3.1. The latest version is 3.5 so it has been fixed for some time now. As for Raven-Shield, I am one of those people that are very disappointed with the performance in that game. As I said in my previous post I get really bad frame rate drop (sometimes as low as 15fps) when I get into a firefight. But I don’t believe it is an ATI issue. There are not only ATI owners that experience this and there are many ATI owners that don’t have a single problem with the game. As a matter of fact I just help my sister installing drivers to her new system (P4 2.6GHz,1Gb, 9700 pro) yesterday and I had to try and see if she got the same problem with RvS. There was no problem at all on here system it ran great in 1024x768 4xAA and 8xAF with everything on max (shadows also). Her system is a clearly better than mine (XP1900+, 512Mb, 9700 pro) but the game should not run as bad as it does on my computer during firefights. One more thing, you can tell your friend that he has system issues if games run faster on your GF4200 than on his card (if it's a 9700 or better) The 9500pro is also faster when using Anti-Aliasing, just check every review out there. Maybe he should try a clean installation if he hasn’t done that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_Z 0 Posted June 27, 2003 Guys, this is getting more confusing at the minute, the more I read the less sure I'm about what I want.The thing is been sayed, a GF4 440 it may won't be enough by the time OFP2 come out, so I should go for at list something like 4200 Â OK, OK, I'll do some good research about the ones that had been mentioned in here. Thanks guys, but don't stop tallking about them, is a good way to learn. To tell you the truth a GF4 MX is hardly enough as a game card now and by the time OFP2 comes out you should be glad if it runs any games at all. If you planing to keep the card for a while then I would say save your money until you can afford either a 9500pro/9600pro or GFFX 5600Ultra. Those cards support DirectX 9 in hardware so they are a better choice for the future. If you think those are too expensive then at least go for a GF4 4200, its not a DX9 card but its still a very good card. Check these sites for reviews of the cards: www.tomshardware.com www.anandtech.com www.hardocp.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 28 Posted June 27, 2003 I have a Radeon 9500, great card, I'm happy with it, performs great, very sweet image quality, TV out also works very well which is important to me, the problem with the drivers IMO isn't the quality of them, they tend to be excellent, it's the fact it takes so long between releases Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted June 27, 2003 I reckon the difference between NVidia cards and ATi cards is that Nvidia's cards will work out of the box straight away, whilst ATi cards will require some tweaking before they work as they should Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 28 Posted June 27, 2003 Well I've never had to tweak a radeon to get it to work, obviously have the latest drivers downloaded ready to install right away but you should really do that with any hardware. OT nice sig Nick, terrible terrible tragedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Airwolf 50 Posted June 28, 2003 ATI cards are known for a better quality of image in most game, flashpoint is not one of them. I have a ti 4200, cant do max view distance or terrain detail with it though without it lagging down to a point where i cant play. The FX 5200 and 5600 are below the graphs of the 4200, and were designed by nvidia to suck up more cash. The FX 5800 is an excellent card if you have the latest drivers and if you dont mind an extremly noisy card. THe FX 5900 is the latest and the greatest, which beats the 5800 by a few marks and dominates any ATI card, its quiet, fast and supports all the latest stuff. If you have loads of cash to spend, get the 5900, if not, get a BFG Asylum or Gainward Geforce 4 4600. Theres my bit of advice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S_Z 0 Posted June 28, 2003 ATI cards are known for a better quality of image in most game, flashpoint is not one of them. What do you mean by "quality of image"? ATIs anti-aliasing technique (Rotated Grid MultiSampling) is better than nVidias (Ordered Grid MultiSampling) no matter what game you play. THe FX 5900 is the latest and the greatest, which beats the 5800 by a few marks and dominates any ATI card, its quiet, fast and supports all the latest stuff. If you believe that then I recommend you go and do some reading about nVidia and their “optimized†drivers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted June 28, 2003 So its a tie between the geforce ti-4200 and the radeon 9700 pro. I hate it how when UT2k3 starts u get a stupid nvidia advert, they can take that and stuff it where the sun don`t shine,they can do the same with silly regular advertisments in cinemas too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CoolCarlos2002 2 Posted June 28, 2003 So its a tie  between the geforce ti-4200 and the radeon 9700 pro.I hate it how when  UT2k3  starts u get a stupid nvidia advert, they can  take that and  stuff it where the sun don`t shine,they can do the same with silly  regular advertisments in cinemas too  In Will Rock there is an ATI ad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted June 28, 2003 Whats w ill rock,if its a game ati can stuff it where the sun don`t shine too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USMC Sniper 0 Posted June 29, 2003 So its a tie  between the geforce ti-4200 and the radeon 9700 pro.I hate it how when  UT2k3  starts u get a stupid nvidia advert, they can  take that and  stuff it where the sun don`t shine,they can do the same with silly  regular advertisments in cinemas too  What's the problem with this? The game was optimized for Nvidia technology, with Will Rock it was optimized for ATI technology. It's not an advertisement, it's just a "stamp". Will Rock is a game, and it sucks. List of games that will use Nvidia tech and have that logo at the start Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted June 29, 2003 Branded would  be a  better term and they can still stuff it up their ass cos its makes the game load up slower. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
@cero 0 Posted June 30, 2003 Well guys, thanks for the advice ant the tips you lot gived me in here, I really appreciate it and it have helped me alot. I finally got a decent card that will do me for a whille. GForce4 TI4200 8X, 128Mb ddr, etc, etc, etc. At the moment is running like a dream. I just finish building the sistem, and now I can't wayt to put it online. Thanks all. @cero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Renagade 0 Posted July 1, 2003 What fps do u get in games like UT2k3 etc and at what settings. glad to hear its running well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toadlife 3 Posted July 1, 2003 Well guys, thanks for the advice ant the tips you lot gived me in here, I really appreciate it and it have helped me alot. I finally got a decent card that will do me for a whille. GForce4 TI4200 8X, 128Mb ddr, etc, etc, etc. At the moment is running like a dream. I just finish building the sistem, and now I can't wayt to put it online. Thanks all. @cero. You chose........ .......wiiiisely. ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ale2999 0 Posted July 1, 2003 Well guys, thanks for the advice ant the tips you lot gived me in here, I really appreciate it and it have helped me alot. I finally got a decent card that will do me for a whille. GForce4 TI4200 8X, 128Mb ddr, etc, etc, etc. At the moment is running like a dream. I just finish building the sistem, and now I can't wayt to put it online. Thanks all. @cero. You chose........ .......wiiiisely. ;) ditto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
