Balschoiw 0 Posted December 21, 2006 Wonder what´s goin on... 3rd try to get this one a sticky... New to Arma editing ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adumb 0 Posted December 21, 2006 Hellfish6 out of the mod-team ?What´s going on fishy ? I would love to see him as moderator again. the man had a sense of humor, loved by 30.000 ofp player, and is one hell of a hotty. Maybe we could vote him back into power? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted December 21, 2006 Wonder what´s goin on...3rd try to get this one a sticky... New to Arma editing ? Okay okay, its sticky now, but only because you've been whining about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted December 21, 2006 Next time I will pop up here in red underwear to get your attention Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 28 Posted December 21, 2006 Next time I will pop up here in red underwear to get your attention That might tempt me to stay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
j w 0 Posted December 21, 2006 Next time I will pop up here in red underwear to get your attention That might tempt me to stay You are married right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted December 21, 2006 I only dance for men with shaved legs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dm 9 Posted December 23, 2006 Might not be *meant* for here, but it beats PM'ing all the moderators individually about it... Brought up in another thread, it would seem that the moderators time would be better spent quashing the little flamewars, bitchfests and excessive swearing which seems to have become increasingly common recently. Instead, the flamers and trolls go unpunished (in the main) whilst people who post an image a few 100 bytes over the limit get a warning level (I can appreciate people that post a 2mb bmp get a warning level, but one for like 400 bytes over?). Seems like a misuse of moderator time and effort to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted December 23, 2006 Seems like a misuse of moderator time and effort to me We're dealing with what we see. Usually spotting a too big image is easier than having to read entire threads to spot flaming. When that has been said, every single report to moderators is handled by moderators, some times several moderators at the same time (Placebo have a tendancy to move/close threads a micro-second before myself). So best way to cut down on flaming is actually for the community as a whole to report all the flaming, and we'll take whatever action we deem necessary. I think this works pretty well. Also keep in mind that the forum is in the middle of a registration-boom with the recent releases. That is most likely the reason for the increased flaming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Can the 'report to moderator' function be used to report general stupidity and/or idiocy? Edit: And, if someone is repeatedly a total fscking moron, would it be appropriate for me to report each and every post he makes in which he acts this way? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adumb 0 Posted December 23, 2006 How come BD has 0 warnings and i have 2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shinRaiden 0 Posted December 23, 2006 It's yours and blackdog's christmas present from hellfish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellfish6 7 Posted December 23, 2006 It's yours and blackdog's christmas present from hellfish. I plead ignorance. I'm not a mod anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adumb 0 Posted December 23, 2006 How fuuny is that? an ex-mod has a warning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackdog~ 0 Posted December 23, 2006 How come BD has 0 warnings and i have 2? Well the mods have to keep at least 500 warning boxes in circulation. When they removed mine they had to find someone to tack them to so the most obvious choices were you and Hellfish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adumb 0 Posted December 23, 2006 How come BD has 0 warnings and i have 2? Well the mods have to keep at least 500 warning boxes in circulation. When they removed mine they had to find someone to tack them to so the most obvious choices were you and Hellfish. Next time i want a retard talking to me i'll go shopping at walmart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Quote[/b] ]Brought up in another thread, it would seem that the moderators time would be better spent quashing the little flamewars, bitchfests and excessive swearing which seems to have become increasingly common recently..snip It´s no surprise that things like that happen if no mods are online at all. Currently, in my opinion, there´s a serious lack of active moderators that do not just visit threads of their own interest or have a go in the photography thread. Since Placebo isn´t that acitvely scanning the forums we see a sharp rise in flaming, bitching and even longterm forum users think they can go rampant and flaming. The "report post to moderator" only works if there´s actually someone reading the report with little time-delay, but not one day later. @Mods: Get your team active and sorted, else this place will turn into a mess in no time. We´ve already got a taste of it in this thread. It´s a shame ! Inconsitency is another thing. Just check this thread: foul language Quote[/b] ]You are ok with your nephew simulating combat and repatively engaging in the simulated killing of other human beings but you're worried that he will wonder what a "fag" is? Are you "SHITTING" me? You really think that kids don't cuss? Give me a break. They can pull up some asian-lady-boy porn at the click of a button on the internet but you're not going to buy a violent video game because of foul language? You're fucked up man. If you are afraid of bad language that kids use amongst themselves already but hold that in more horror than simulated murder then you need a shrink buddy. I'll grow up if you'll "GET REAL." Quote[/b] ]Dude, the game itself has the word fuck in it. If you are seriously that offended by the word fag, you should get help. If I want to have that level of conversation I go to Mudcity or talk to some guys behind iron-bars. The forum needs your attention mod´s, obviously some users are juast happily joining the mob , once they have the chance to and see they´ll go unpunished for it. I´ve been given a week PR and WL for using the word fag, although I didn´t knew it was the slang expression for gays but today, just some weeks after, it seems to be perfectly ok to throw around that expression. Seriously, DO something ! If you hand out PR´s post it in the thread so people see that there is punishment and maybe think twice before posting crap. On a sidenote I´m disgusted of the reactions on that 40 minutes Arma tester. OFP com has shown a big low there. Shame on the com ! Edit: Quote[/b] ]Edit: And, if someone is repeatedly a total fscking moron, would it be appropriate for me to report each and every post he makes in which he acts this way? I guess I know whome you´re thinking about and imo the good old "if you got nothing to contribute, do not post" should be perfectly ok for him. His only intention seem to be to bring Arma down and even tell forum newbies to stay away from Arma, which is kind of funny, keeping in mind that he only has the chance to because BIS is paying for it... I´d like to see him gone soon aswell. He´s not contributing in any way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadow 6 Posted December 23, 2006 Currently, in my opinion, there´s a serious lack of active moderators that do not just visit threads of their own interest or have a go in the photography thread. Since Placebo isn´t that acitvely scanning the forums we see a sharp rise in flaming, bitching and even longterm forum users think they can go rampant and flaming. The "report post to moderator" only works if there´s actually someone reading the report with little time-delay, but not one day later. @Mods: Get your team active and sorted, else this place will turn into a mess in no time. We´ve already got a taste of it in this thread. I'm not going to make excuses but I think I should explain "the obvious". We're all aware of this and like you said, it is expected. The difference between Paul and the rest of the mods is that this forum is part of his job-description. The rest of us are occupied with jobs/school elsewhere during the day. Needless to say, we will need more than one more moderator to replace Paul. And we are working on it (recruiting moderators to cover the most possible hours in a day). He has spent far more hours on this forum than one can require from any moderator and it shows in the forum. All I can say is we are working on this situation, but it could take some time untill we are (hopefully) back to what it was like before Paul left. I know Paul hasnt left yet but he is stepping down gradually by each day. If you think you know the ultimate solution to the situation we're in right now, please PM me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daddl 10 Posted December 23, 2006 Just a little question in this regard. I consider BIS' move to hire a professional mod (I know this wasn't the only part of Paul's job description, but it sure occupied quite a bit of his time) one of the best steps in regard of providing a quality forum for the community. Are there any plans for someone to take over? I'm sure BIS will hire a new PR manager - but will he also be responsible for the forum? I can imagine it would be quite difficult for someone new (that is someone not already rooted in this community) to do this without first causing quite a mess! Edit: especially now - with ArmA just released and the world wide release coming in February the forums really need some special attention! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted December 23, 2006 First of all get rid of the moderators who are not active anymore or do visit the board once or twice a month only. Presence on the board at least once a day should be a necessitiy for moderators. Of course there´s holiday, real-life issues and such but the motivation for a mod should be to be an active part of the community, not just some once-a-week-visitor or even worse as with some of the mods, a once-per-month-visitor. If they don´t have time anymore, ok.If they lost interest, ok. But then they should be responsible enough to pack their bag and hand their seat to someone else. You can only rearrange the mod-team if know how many of the old mods are still active. And by active I don´t talk about visiting the forum once per month PR´ing some guys on a random level and vanishing again. Next would be to contact guys, who seem to be responsible and mature enough to be part of the team. Offering a dedication for the game, the community should be a necessity here aswell. Of course it has to be GRANTED, that those guys in question do not just want to have the Mod-title as an attachment in their sig, but also do honestly say if they know that it´s time consuming and that they are actually willing and able to spend much time here. Noone benefits of Mods who are active on various OFP or Arma pages but therefore do not have time to concentrate on their obligations here. If someone is having a big workload, studies hard, or whatever he should honest to tell that and not take a Mod´s job. If a Mod is therefore unable to do his job here, he should be removed if he´s unable to ask for that himself. I know Placebo got paid for this, but there were times when Placebo didn´t get money for this and he put the same dedication into it. That´s my thoughts. Btw, I really want to thank those Mods who are active and looking after things unasked for years now. Without you, the forums would not be what they are today. Christmas makes me sentimental I´m getting old... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dm 9 Posted December 23, 2006 I'd have to echo Balschoiw and Daddl's thoughts on this one. Yes, the moderators other than Paul are not paid for the task, but they should be (and were IIRC) aware of the magnitude of the task they were given when originally signed up as moderators. Moderators who no longer have time to moderate should admit that and "retire". Having moderators who dont moderate is just as bad if not worse than having no moderators, since people think that if they're getting away with it they'll push the boundaries even further. Building a strong, fresh, dedicated mod team over the next two months is paramount. We've seen the influx of new people (good and bad) with the ArmA release in just 3-4 countries. Imagine what that is gonna be like when a general release happens... (It would also seem that now would be an excellent time to update the rules a bit - I know Placebo was talking about doing it, but has that been put on hold with his leaving?) The point is, it seems that the "photography" threads are being over-moderated as compensation for the "lack" of it on the rest of the boards. Whether this is because it is easy to moderate the "photography" threads is beside the point. Honest, "innocent" people are getting punished, whilst trolls, flamers and spammers are generally getting away with it... Needs looking at IMHO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 28 Posted December 23, 2006 I know Placebo got paid for this, but there were times when Placebo didn´t get money for this and he put the same dedication into it. Whilst the other mods are more than capable of standing up for themselves, I will point out that the time prior to my BIS employment where I was especially active on the forums it generally coincided with times of unemployment (if anyone knows Grimsby they'll know sitting inside moderating forums is a damn sight more enjoyable than job hunting ) (It would also seem that now would be an excellent time to update the rules a bit - I know Placebo was talking about doing it, but has that been put on hold with his leaving?) Regarding the rules, my intended aim was to streamline the clarification of them, I had no plans to actually change any rules, I just felt that especially for people who don't speak English as a first language its unfair to expect them to read and understand 2 paragraphs just to know what not to do. The point is, it seems that the "photography" threads are being over-moderated as compensation for the "lack" of it on the rest of the boards. Whether this is because it is easy to moderate the "photography" threads is beside the point. Honest, "innocent" people are getting punished, whilst trolls, flamers and spammers are generally getting away with it... Needs looking at IMHO If you look a couple of pages back I seem to remember I explained why the photography threads are "overly moderated" and the fact they're easier to moderate because the offences are more clear cut is really only a very small part of why they're "overly moderated". I don't think trolls, flamers or spammers are getting away with it, for a start I think it doesn't help that about 50% of the RPTMs we get are at best borderline, which means we have to look at the comment in context, read what went before and went after, especially in cases where people pushed the person into their comments and then pushed more after they made them it's often a very close call. But I certainly don't think there are many outright abusive flames that go unpunished at all, and if you see one you think went unpunished then we can only ask that you please report it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deanosbeano 0 Posted December 23, 2006 Quote[/b] ]which means we have to look at the comment in context, read what went before and went after, especially in cases where people pushed the person into their comments and then pushed more after they made them it's often a very close call there is an elite crew who do get away with "pushing".I hope the new head mod/pr manager, is completely independant of these forums and will filter through his pm`s and realise what is plain and simple elitism and jossling for heirarchy position and whats genuine concern for the community. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JdB 151 Posted December 23, 2006 I don't think trolls, flamers or spammers are getting away with it, for a start I think it doesn't help that about 50% of the RPTMs we get are at best borderline, which means we have to look at the comment in context, read what went before and went after, especially in cases where people pushed the person into their comments and then pushed more after they made them it's often a very close call. Yeah, that is basically what moderators are supposed to do. Clear signs of violation of rules are not really the dilemma, it's the unclear ones where the moderator plays the deciding factor in whether or not it is allowed. Just simply reading the rules and enforcing them doesn't work, intelligent thought is required, which is why we have all these smart moderators hanging around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 28 Posted December 23, 2006 Quote[/b] ]which means we have to look at the comment in context, read what went before and went after, especially in cases where people pushed the person into their comments and then pushed more after they made them it's often a very close call there is an elite crew who do get away with "pushing".I hope the new head mod/pr manager, is completely independant of these forums and will filter through his pm`s and realise what is plain and simple elitism and jossling for heirarchy position and whats genuine concern for the community. There is? Well as someone who spent the past 5 and half years here visiting almost daily I must need new glasses as I don't see this "elite crew", I'd like to think I treated everyone equally, if that's not the case please enlighten me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
