The Iraq Thread 2

[FSPilot 0]

"Conflicting reports have forced NBC to make updates to the original script for the movie by John Fasano."

Oh no...

[malick 0]

Well...duh.

Kinda makes you wonder why Saddam didn't use them. Sure, the US Air force could probobly vapourize some of them. But the fact that they didn't use what is considered one of the most important aspects of warfare is what surprises me. Airpower is a key feature in war.

Well, as we can say, survival is THE key feature in war...

And if Saddam fled, but didn't left Iraq, it was just to resist and stand fighting, because he had planned this long before. He may not be doing it himself, though... He knew he wouldn't win by frontal confrontation, this is why "major military operations ceased on May 1" and not "the war ended on May 1"...

[malick 0]

"Conflicting reports have forced NBC to make updates to the original script for the movie by John Fasano."

Oh no...

Mmmmh, who is Fasano, he seems to upset you ?

Hey, if the film were to be made by Michael Moore with Marylin Manson playing Lynch, then I'd say "Yeahaa, we're gonna have some fun"

But now it seems the absolute "let's-kill-some-iraqi-and-never-show-how-we-were-able-to-slaughter-500000-people-in-12-year

s-and-make-military-morons-happy" movie.

[Balschoiw 0]

Jordanian embassy in Iraw blown to bits.

Quote[/b] ]At least seven people have been killed in a large explosion at the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad, reports say.

Complete story

Jordan supported the coaltion during the war.

Some US troops were killed on late wednesday .

[USSoldier11B 0]

I saw that coming a mile away.

[Schoeler 0]

Jordanian embassy in Iraw blown to bits.

Quote[/b] ]At least seven people have been killed in a large explosion at the Jordanian embassy in Baghdad, reports say.

Complete story

Jordan supported the coaltion during the war.

Some US troops were killed on late wednesday .

Jordan also offerred exile to Saddam's two daughters which was clearly the motivation for the crowd of Iraqi men who ran into the bombed out embassy and started looting and defacing portraits of the Jordanian royal family. Might this, and I know this seems too farfetched for any of you anti-war types to accept, also be the motivation for the bombing.

From my perspective, both are equally plausible explanations.

[ralphwiggum 6]

well, good job whoever attacked the embassy. you just showed what a POS you are.

[DracoPaladore 0]

Quote[/b] ]Canadian actress Laura Regan, who starred in last year's horror flick "They," has been tapped to play U.S. Army Pvt. Jessica Lynch in the NBC TV movie "Saving Jessica Lynch."

wow...even the title of movie is nice....

MY....god! Don't tell me, it's going to be a movie where she emptied her entire clip into a small army of Iraqi's, and then continued to kick them and attack them all bare handed only to be knocked out by a rock...Then how the brave Delta Ops stormed the massive building and faught to the top floor in order to save her from the evil clutches of Iraqi doctors. Yeah, she faught bravely. Wait, didn't I hear that she actually fell out of a truck?

Sometimes Hollywood can be so obvious. Great, another touchy-feel good for the poor Americans movie. Woopdy-doo!

Please, do a movie on the British fighting. I've never actually seen a British military film. I'm getting bored of the American Super-Duper-Awsome-Opossum-Great-High-Tech-Warfare movies.

FSPilot: Even though the Coalition could destroy the Iraqi Air Force, that dosn't mean you bury your planes. Especially if they have a few good planes to fight them with. MIG25's are still good, no matter what your firing at. The idea of burying your planes, though. Why?

Saddam could have put up a decent enough fight with his air force, if he tried. But, whats the point of burying them?

[Longinius 1]

"MY....god! Don't tell me, it's going to be a movie where she emptied her entire clip into a small army of Iraqi's, and then continued to kick them and attack them all bare handed only to be knocked out by a rock...Then how the brave Delta Ops stormed the massive building and faught to the top floor in order to save her from the evil clutches of Iraqi doctors. Yeah, she faught bravely. Wait, didn't I hear that she actually fell out of a truck?"

The script is actually on this forum, look around...

[Badgerboy 0]

Quote[/b] ]She was probably holding off an entire Iraqi division, using her M-16 and her pocket knife. At the same time she was rescuing her wounded friends, dragging them from the vehicle and establishing a perimiter as she was wounded for the first time by an RPG to the leg. She applied a quick field dressing and finished just in time as the first wave of ninja zappers breached the perimiter. She took to the knife, and killed all of them while sustaining stab wounds to the chest, leg, neck and eyes. With steadfast determination she picked up the attackers weapons and held of five approaching tanks, while calling for artillery and airstrikes danger close to her own position. After several hours of gunfight and after having been denied reinforcements (for dramatic effect) her ammunition runs out. Looking around, she sees all her friends dead or wounded. Herself, with stabbed out eyes, an RPG to the leg and with several knife and gunshot wounds turn and watch as 1500 iraqi regulars march on a line towards her position (dramatic effect with sunset and Iraqis carrying banners and the heads of dead Americans). She draws her knife and charges the line. 15 minutes later of Braveheart scenes she is overpowered by the remaining 1000 Iraqis.

She is brought to the hospital, which is in fact a well fortified stronghold and WMD plant. There she is interrogated by a angry, evil Iraqi man called Baddam. He does the usual evil stuff, torturing her with electricity and hitting her with the palm of his hand while screaming "American pig dog! You die! You die GI!!" She of course reveals nothing, with a stubborn and defiant attitude, and only raises concern for her captured friends. While in the stronghold, she conducts espionage on the WMD plant from her bed, and in a sneak attack she manages to halt all production but unfortunately remove all traces of WMD's at the same time.

Introduce the lawyer. A well dressed Iraqi man with a crooked smile and gold teeth, hitting on the nurses of the Iraqi hospital stronghold. He sees the American beauty in the hospital bed, and falls in love (romantic scene). He returns home to his 4 wifes, and plans Lynches rescue. It involves a grand scheme of Iraqi freedomfighters, Norweigan resistance men with skies and five American armored divisions. Sadly, this cant be done because of the budget, so he walks over to a US soldier with a note instead "Found american beauty in hospital. Need her to be saved, so I can marry and move to America. Want to own Seven Eleven. Got milk?"

The American forces stage a daring rescue, lead by the lawyer in full commando atire. The force reaches the hospital which is under guard by 350 elite Iraqis. A fierce firefight ensues where no Americans get hit and all Iraqis die or flee. They find Lynch in the hospital bed, feverish and worn down. To protect her, they drape an American Flag over her and carry her out. On the way, the lawyer has a bullet time martial arts fight with Baddam, and kills him with a billiard cue, sending him flying through a fifth story window.

Helicopters thunder in, guns blazing at surrounding Iraqis, and pick up the rescue squad. TV cameras are there as well, filming the weakened hero as she is carried onboard.

Cut to Aircraft carrier in a distant fjord. Lynch in sickbay bed. Lawyer with four wifes, debating with Lynches family over telephone, haggling about number of camels. A fighter jet comes screaming over the ship, piloted by supreme airman George W Bush. He does a Maverick and buzzes the tower. He lands and walks down to Lynch. He salutes her and she returns the salute. Add dramatic speech and dialogue.

End movie with text, stating this is based on a true story about the events that took place on the XXXX/XX/XX. Add credits informing us what happened to Lynch, Lawyer and Bush after the war. American flag waving in the back ground as Lynch is presented with five CMH's, a condo in Bermuda and a brand new cheverolet.

Quote[/b] ]Well, I want to keep the cast realistic....

For Jessica, I want someone who can pull it off. A beliavable actor. I think, Stallone. He can have long hair to, and pull it off.

For the lawyer, I want someone with a distrustful and sleezy look. My first pick would be Bush, but well, he wants to play himself (go figure!). A guy that can look really sleezy is Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode ("its no good" video...) so he can be the lawyer. If we can get him to look Iraqi enough that is.

Bush is playing himself. Not my choice, he kinda forced me into it. Threatening with red buttons and all. He is sensitive about this issue and wants to be portrayed correctly. Thats why he will be arriving in his own fighter jet, wearning shades and a WW2 flightjacket.

The role of Baddam is a tough one. One of Saddams sons would qualify, except they are dead. Maybe we could get Brion James with a beard, moustache and bad arse tan would do the trick here. Dang, Brion is dead to. Heart attack three years ago or something. Hmm...well....Michael Madsen! He is pure evil!

I want cameos by Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis to. Arnold could like ride past on his MC in his leather attire, do some drive bys with shotguns and ride of again. Preferably in the hospital scene. Bruce is definately a taker for the bad ass general who denies Lynches request for reinforcements. Oh, oh, and Steve Buscemi as the half mad, transvestite artillery gunner!!

Swish!

[Tovarish 0]

LMAO That stuff is gold!

Quote[/b] ]"Want to own Seven Eleven. Got milk?"

Nearly fell of my seat laughing

[denoir 0]

I love the smell of Napalm in the morning  

Quote[/b] ]We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," said Col. Randolph Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11, told the San Diego Union-Tribune. "Unfortunately, there were people there because you could see them in the (cockpit) video.

"They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die," Alles added.

He could not provide estimates of Iraqi casualties.

"The generals love napalm," said Alles. "It has a big psychological effect."

[Warin 0]

I love the smell of Napalm in the morning  

Quote[/b] ]We napalmed both those (bridge) approaches," said Col. Randolph Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11, told the San Diego Union-Tribune. "Unfortunately, there were people there because you could see them in the (cockpit) video.

"They were Iraqi soldiers there. It's no great way to die," Alles added.

He could not provide estimates of Iraqi casualties.

"The generals love napalm," said Alles. "It has a big psychological effect."

And?

War is hell. I think Bush is a war criminal already (illegal war of aggression), I dont need to get all angsty that they used weapons like this. Fire bombing is pretty nasty but it's not against the 'rules'.

War isnt nice.

Wasnt that Dubya's mom?

[DracoPaladore 0]

I think it was Barbera Bush, yeah.

[The Frenchman 0]

Learned that from OFP!

[Balschoiw 0]

Mk 77 ´s were used multiple times in Iraq. First the pentagon denied it´s useage, but after pilots and members of the USMC who used 40 canisters on their way to Bagdad told it to journalists several times, pentagon had to admit the useage.

Napalm and Mk 77 is technically not the same substance but has the same effect.

Napalm useage is illegal nowadays but Mk 77 not. Although it has the same effect on targets ´pentagon claims it is not explicit forbidden so they used it.

I wish anyone here who is for the useage of Mk 77´s would know what it´s like to burn to death with a gel on your body.

Mk 77´s

German video on Mk77´s in Iraq

[theavonlady 2]

I wish anyone here who is for the useage of Mk 77´s would know what it´s like to burn to death with a gel on your body.

Mk 77´s

As if bullets ripping up internal organs were a better way to die!

Any method of killing and maming is tragicand ugly. War is tragic and ugly. The question is whether such devices fall within the limits of weapons deemed acceptable by a current concensus as permissable for use.

[Longinius 1]

Personally I'd rather take a bullet than burn to death. But thats just my personal opinion on the matter.

[theavonlady 2]

Personally I'd rather take a bullet than burn to death. But thats just my personal opinion on the matter.

I'm not necessarily diagreeing. However, rules of war do not limit armies to the use of bullets and you're usually not asked what your preference is in battle.

"OK, everyone that wants to be blown to smithereens, to the left. Those of you who want to take a bullet, to the right. Kill du jour, move up front. Look lively, men!"

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]As if bullets ripping up internal organs were a better way to die!

Yes they are.

You also have to think of the MK77´s as "unselective" weapons. That means that they effect ground targets without much precision and therefore civillian victims

who burn to death are included.

Quote[/b] ]NAPALM

Napalm is an incendiary chemical mix first tested during the Second World War, but used mainly during the Vietnam War. The mix, stored in bombs and dropped from the air, was initially used to clear jungle landing pads, but has also been used against civilian populations. The US claims to have stopped using napalm in the early 1970s and officially destroyed its last batch of stockpiled napalm on April 4, 2001.

• On March 22, reporters from CNN and the Sydney Morning Herald / Melbourne Age embedded with the 1st Battalion 7th Marines at Safwan Hill near Basra reported air strikes dropping napalm to beat Iraqi resistance. Martin Savidge of CNN said,

It is now estimated the hill was hit so badly by missiles, artillery and by the Air Force, that they shaved a couple of feet off it. And anything that was up there that was left after all the explosions was then hit with napalm. And that pretty much put an end to any Iraqi operations up on that hill. Lindsay Murdoch wrote for the Sydney Morning Herald and the Melbourne Age, “[Marine artillery] were supported by US Navy aircraft which dropped 40,000 pounds of explosives and napalm.†When the Age’s foreign editor asked Murdoch to confirm the napalm use, the account was repeated to her by a marine officer.

The US Navy denied the reports, submitting this letter to the Herald, Your story ('Dead bodies everywhere', by Lindsay Murdoch, March 22, 2003) claiming US forces are using napalm in Iraq, is patently false. The US took napalm out of service in the early 1970s. We completed destruction of our last batch of napalm on April 4, 2001, and no longer maintain any stocks of napalm. - Jeff A. Davis, Lieutenant Commander, US Navy, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense.

Sure they used no napalm but Mk77´s  

Irregular weapon useage in Iraq

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]As if bullets ripping up internal organs were a better way to die!

Yes they are.

If you say so.

Quote[/b] ]You also have to think of the MK77´s as "unselective" weapons. That means that they effect ground targets without much precision and therefore civillian victims

who burn to death are included.

Isn't that true of many/most bombs? Again, bombs have not been outlawed as a legitimate weapon in war. It would be nice to revert back to bows and arrows or sticks and stones but it's not going to happen.

Quote[/b] ]Sure they used no napalm but Mk77´s  

Again, all moassively powerful weapons accomplish horrible things. I don't see why this should be highlighted.

[denoir 0]

I wish anyone here who is for the useage of Mk 77´s would know what it´s like to burn to death with a gel on your body.

Mk 77´s

As if bullets ripping up internal organs were a better way to die!

The appaling part is that napalm does not have any real military value. Conventional fragmentation weapons are far more usable. Napalm is a torture instrument.

[Balschoiw 0]

knock , knock

"Avon !!"

Napalm was banned by the UN in 1980.

The United States didn't sign the agreement but claimed to have destroyed its arsenal in 2001.

[theavonlady 2]

Napalm useage is illegal nowadays

Quote[/b] ]A4.10.3. Incendiary Weapons. Incendiary weapons, such as incendiary ammunition, flame throw-ers, napalm, and other incendiary agents, have widespread uses in armed conflict. <span style='color:green'>They are clearly regarded as lawful</span> in situations requiring their use. Any controversy over their use arises from a con-cern for the medical problem in treating burn injuries and from arbitrary attempts to analogize their use to the use of prohibited means of chemical warfare. The potential danger of spreading fire has also raised concerns about civilian protection. Their use should be avoided in urban areas, to the extent that other weapons are available and are equally effective.

- TARGETTING and INTERNATIONAL LAW, USAF INTELLIGENCE TARGETING GUIDE, AIR FORCE PAMPHLET 14- 210 Intelligence, 1 FEBRUARY 1998

[theavonlady 2]

knock , knock

who's there?