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[mistyronin 1181]

thats why there were those protests - many people from Turkey want to live like we live, cause they feel closer to Europe than to Middle East, but Erdogan was voted by rest of country, not by youth and educated

It's not only that they want to live closer to the Western standards, is that they were already doing. After all Turkey is supposed to be a secular state... Tho as Tonci well said that's changing with Erdogan.

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

uhmm, you mean this erdogan that thinks he's the leader of a ottoman empire?-

lol his palace with 1000+ rooms really got to his head i guess.

[Tonci87 163]

That new palace is such a horrific waste of money.....

[vilas 477]

That new palace is such a horrific waste of money.....

ever since all theocratic systems were creating feudalistic structure,

ancient era states were owned by royal family and main cast was priests - they were holding brains of slaves by stupifying them "king power is given by god, obey god, obey king", so thus king had all money and priests were protecting "brains and hearths" to not make any change in feudal system,

French Revolution changed, people made revolt against feudalism, than all theocratic structures crushed and slaves became citizens, and governments started to serve,

this all religions try to turn back, cause in religious system - god leads, god gives power to king, so obey king, shut up, work harder , shut up, obey or you will go to hell instead of heaven,

thats why in caliphates they have structure like 500 years ago,

thats why religion is dangerous , it turns back humanity to feudalism

[Tonci87 163]

http://thedailywh.at/2015/01/fail-day-israeli-paper-photoshops-women-charlie-hebdo-rally/

Yep, there are very bif idiots in every religious group FPDR

[ProfTournesol 956]

French minister of education stated that 20% of French teenagers believe in conspiracy theories about Charlie's attack :icon_ohmygod: Ignorance and credulity are as dangerous for democracy as terrorism.

Edited January 15, 2015 by ProfTournesol

[nodunit 397]

http://thedailywh.at/2015/01/fail-day-israeli-paper-photoshops-women-charlie-hebdo-rally/

Yep, there are very bif idiots in every religious group FPDR

[ProfTournesol 956]

Three dead are reported in an anti terror operation in Belgium.

[batto 17]

French minister of education stated that 20% of French teenagers believe in conspiracy theories about Charlie's attack :icon_ohmygod: Ignorance and credulity are as dangerous for democracy as terrorism.

But the possibility exists. Maybe you should fix your ignorance and credulity first.

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

2 death and one injured when belgian police raided a house in Verviers/Liege, while looking for jihadis returned from Syria, the started shooting and the police returned the favor killing 2 and injuring a third one, locals heard automatic fire and explosions but report mention of no injuries amongs police forces. press conference beeing held right now so we will know more after it, it was in a coordenated action by police raiding several places at once all across Belgium with more arrest made in those places.

[Sooke 13]

It seems the press conference was delayed, ongoing anti-terror operations across the country.

(But Wallonia isn't part of France -yet- so I think this belongs to the European thread)

Edited January 15, 2015 by Sooke

[papanowel 120]

(But Wallonia isn't part of France -yet- so I think this belongs to the European thread)

Should I laugh about the yet? :p

It will never be part of France.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Should I laugh about the yet?

It will never be part of France.

Nah, that's not planned sofar ;)

[Sooke 13]

Should I laugh about the yet?

laugh if you want but don't debate about it in this thread.

Nah, that's not planned sofar ;)

;-)

[mistyronin 1181]

It seems the press conference was delayed, ongoing anti-terror operations across the country.

(But Wallonia isn't part of France -yet- so I think this belongs to the European thread)

You may be wrong, seems to be connected with the events in Paris according to diff news sources ( they say that the band was the one that sold weapons to Coulibaly ).

( NPR ) 2 Dead, 1 Wounded In Belgian Anti-Terror Operation

The operation comes the same day Belgian police arrested a man accused of selling weapons to Amedy Coulibaly, who was killed by police after he attacked a Paris kosher shop last week.

( Haaretz ) Belgian arms dealer confesses to supplying Paris attackers

Edited January 15, 2015 by MistyRonin

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

It will never be part of France.

this NEVER we say!,but yeah we can take it to the isis thread, or the eu one,but just dont make jokes like that not funny for belgian ppl ;)

but one thing in the piece is that those guys in france and these guys all bought their AK's in brussel around the central station,they must been having a garage sale going on down there in guns ammo and explosives,mayby for a couple extra bucks they will trow in a rpg or something.

[Sooke 13]

You may be wrong, seems to be connected with the events in Paris according to diff news sources ( they say that the band was the one that sold weapons to Coulibaly ).

( NPR ) 2 Dead, 1 Wounded In Belgian Anti-Terror Operation

( Haaretz ) Belgian arms dealer confesses to supplying Paris attackers

Interresting.

The main french speaking TV channels have gone back to their usual broadcasting, I suspect the authorities have asked them not to further debate about it because some operations aren't over yet.

this NEVER we say!,but yeah we can take it to the isis thread, or the eu one,but just dont make jokes like that not funny for belgian ppl ;)

lol, you guys...I AM Belgian. Born and grew up in Charleroi, Studied and start working in Brussels and for the last 7 years I've been living and working in flanders...but again not the right place to talk about this but I'd be glad to debate it in the approriate thread, even if its only between the 3 of us :)

[Tonci87 163]

http://thedailywh.at/2015/01/censorship-day-sky-news-cuts-off-woman-showing-charlie-hebdo-cover/

Fucking whimps

[Sooke 13]

I think she perfectly sums up the situation

journalists in the UK betray what journalism is about by thinking that people are not grown-up enough to decide whether a drawing is offensive or not

I wouldn't go as far as saying they betray journalism but I'd feel insulted if a media would decide for me what's offensive and what's not.

Like Mark Twain said “Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.â€

Also

( Haaretz ) Belgian arms dealer confesses to supplying Paris attackers

This has not been confirmed by our authorities, all we know for sure is that Coulibali sold a car to a belgian guy.

Rumors say they've had problems with payment and the belgian guy then provide weapons as a counterpart but it's just a rumor so far.

Edited January 15, 2015 by Sooke

[mistyronin 1181]

http://thedailywh.at/2015/01/censorship-day-sky-news-cuts-off-woman-showing-charlie-hebdo-cover/

Pathetic. Extremely pathetic. IMO

[oxmox 73]

Muslims from Asia to Mideast to Africa rage at Charlie Hebdo

In Zinder, Niger's second city, around 50 furious protesters smashed the entrance door to the French cultural centre and set fire to the cafeteria, library and offices.

In Karachi, Pakistan, at least three people were injured when protesters clashed with police outside the French consulate, officials said.

As Muslims raged, with protesters in Dakar torching a French flag, Qatar and Bahrain warned that the cartoon published Wednesday by the French satirical weekly could fuel hatred.

The largest protests took place in the capitals of Algeria and Jordan.

In Amman, around 2,500 protesters set off from Al-Husseini mosque under tight security, holding banners that read "insulting the prophet is global terrorism."

In Algiers, 2,000-3,000 marchers chanted "We are all Mohammed," though some shouted their support for the Islamist Kouachi brothers who carried out the Charlie Hebdo massacre

Around 100 protesters rallied in Istanbul in response to a call by a group calling itself the Fraternal Platform of the Prophet's Companions, with some holding pictures of the Kouachis.

A French flag was also set on fire outside the embassy in the Senegalese capital, Dakar, where 1,000 protesters rallied, denouncing Charlie Hebdo and chanting slogans of praise to the prophet.

In Jerusalem's flashpoint Al-Aqsa mosque compound, hundreds of Palestinians demonstrated peacefully, some with banners reading "Islam is a religion of peace!"

In Khartoum, hundreds poured out of the Grand Mosque and marched across the adjacent square, chanting "Expel the French ambassador. Victory to the Prophet of God!"

In Lebanon's flashpoint city of Tripoli, 70 people marched with banners bearing the name of the prophet and chanting "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest).

In Baddawi, on the outskirts of the city, prayer leader Sheikh Mohammed Ibrahimi addressed hundreds of worshippers saying: "May God punish this newspaper and those who back it".

A protest in Tehran was cancelled, with no official reason given, as senior Iranian cleric Ayatollah Ali Movahedi Kermani told worshippers the cartoon's publication amounted to "savagery."

In Tunis, worshippers at El-Fath mosque walked out as prayer leader Noureddine Khadmi said "we are all against insults made against our prophet but it is not a reason to kill."

Bahrain's foreign ministry echoed that, saying publication of such cartoons "will create fertile ground for the spread of hatred and terrorism."

Both Qatar and Bahrain had sent representatives to a massive march in Paris Sunday in support of free speech, alongside French President Francois Hollande and many other world leaders.

Jordan's King Abdullah II, who also attended march, said Thursday that the latest issue of Charlie Hebdo was "irresponsible and reckless."

Saudi Arabia's top religious body, the Council of Senior Ulema, also criticised the new cartoons that it said "have nothing to do with the freedom of creativity or thought."

Charlie Hebdo poster burned in protest as Muslim leaders condemn cover

A Charlie Hebdo poster was burned in the Philippines on Monday as 1,500 people staged a protest march against the depiction of the prophet Muhammad on the cover of the magazine a week after the deadly attack on its offices.

Niger protesters burn churches in second day of Charlie Hebdo riots

Stone-throwing demonstrators set fire to churches and looted shops in Niger's capital Niamey on Saturday, in the latest protest in France's former African colonies at French newspaper Charlie Hebdo's cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad.

At least six churches were burned or looted. Calm returned in the afternoon but Islamic associations have called a protest march for Sunday.

"They offended our Prophet Mohammad, that's what we didn't like," said Amadou Abdoul Ouahab, who took part in the demonstration. "This is the reason why we have asked Muslims to come, so that we can explain this to them, but the state refused. That's why we're angry today."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/17/us-france-shooting-niger-idUSKBN0KQ0BP20150117

[ProfTournesol 956]

Those figures are extremely small, a few hundred people each time, probably manipulated by extremists. I don't deny some people may feel insulted, mostly because they don't understand the meanings of those cartoons. I know several French muslims around that just did the same thing as me : buy a subscription to Charlie Hebdo.

By the way, for those who want to enlighten themselves : http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30814555

[mistyronin 1181]

( Al Jazeera ) Anti-Charlie Hebdo protests continue in Niger

[oxmox 73]

Those figures are extremely small, a few hundred people each time, probably manipulated by extremists.

Lets see if this is only the beginning or the numbers stay more or less the same....

Patriot Act Idea Rises in France, and Is Ridiculed

After shootings last week at a satirical newspaper and a kosher market in Paris, France finds itself grappling anew with a question the United States is still confronting: how to fight terrorism while protecting civil liberties.

Many European countries, and France in particular, already have robust counterterrorism laws, some of which American authorities have studied as possible models. But the terrorist rampage at the Charlie Hebdo newspaper offices and the Hyper Cacher market prompted calls to go even further.

Valérie Pécresse, a minister under former President Nicolas Sarkozy, said France needed its own version of the USA Patriot Act, which gave the United States more authority to collect intelligence and pointed America’s surveillance apparatus at its citizens.

Politicians and civil rights advocates on both sides of the Atlantic bristled at that suggestion, and at a string of arrests in which French officials used a new antiterrorism law to crack down on what previously would have been considered free speech.

Dominique de Villepin, the former French prime minister, warned against the urge for “exceptional†measures. “The spiral of suspicion created in the United States by the Patriot Act and the enduring legitimization of torture or illegal detention has today caused that country to lose its moral compass,†he wrote in Le Monde, the French newspaper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/world/europe/patriot-act-idea-rises-in-france-and-is-ridiculed.html

[Tonci87 163]

Lets see if this is only the beginning or the numbers stay more or less the same....

Patriot Act Idea Rises in France, and Is Ridiculed

After shootings last week at a satirical newspaper and a kosher market in Paris, France finds itself grappling anew with a question the United States is still confronting: how to fight terrorism while protecting civil liberties.

Many European countries, and France in particular, already have robust counterterrorism laws, some of which American authorities have studied as possible models. But the terrorist rampage at the Charlie Hebdo newspaper offices and the Hyper Cacher market prompted calls to go even further.

Valérie Pécresse, a minister under former President Nicolas Sarkozy, said France needed its own version of the USA Patriot Act, which gave the United States more authority to collect intelligence and pointed America’s surveillance apparatus at its citizens.

Politicians and civil rights advocates on both sides of the Atlantic bristled at that suggestion, and at a string of arrests in which French officials used a new antiterrorism law to crack down on what previously would have been considered free speech.

Dominique de Villepin, the former French prime minister, warned against the urge for “exceptional†measures. “The spiral of suspicion created in the United States by the Patriot Act and the enduring legitimization of torture or illegal detention has today caused that country to lose its moral compass,†he wrote in Le Monde, the French newspaper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/17/world/europe/patriot-act-idea-rises-in-france-and-is-ridiculed.html

Yay, politicians calling for more surveillance after an terror attack, that isn´t new. More surveillance wouldn´t help them at all. They had the data about the terrorists, they simply didn´t use it. Today intelligence services are getting burried under a heap of data that they struggle to process.