Bornholm, Denmark [Terrain]

[BlackAlpha 10]

Could we please get an alternative version without the high grass? The map is littered with high grass and the AI sees right through it. It is kind of game breaking. It sucks not being able to do missions on like 80% of the map because there's high grass nearby that might get players killed unfairly in a rather buggy manner.

The map looks truly amazing... but, you know... gameplay.

[dum3d0 11]

Could we please get an alternative version without the high grass? The map is littered with high grass and the AI sees right through it. It is kind of game breaking. It sucks not being able to do missions on like 80% of the map because there's high grass nearby that might get players killed unfairly in a rather buggy manner.

The map looks truly amazing... but, you know... gameplay.

I use this in my missions and also on Bornholm

TAW View Distance Script

You can adjust or disable grass too

[BlackAlpha 10]

I use this in my missions and also on Bornholm

TAW View Distance Script

You can adjust or disable grass too

It's not that. Go try the map. There is custom tall grass and wheat fields. The AI sees through them.

[serjames 357]

AI do not see through the golden wheat fields... Tested that pretty thoroughly.

They may be able to see through the taller Green Wheat fields - not sure.

Grass itself is very long though I agree, and that gives no cover.

Technically I suppose someone could write a config to overwrite that with shorter grass - I'm no expert there.

Pretty sure Egil made it clear he's never going to touch the map again - which is a shame, as there is lots of tweaks that could be done to improve it/tidy it etc. Maybe he will one day donate it to someone who will support it ?

[dum3d0 11]

It's not that. Go try the map. There is custom tall grass and wheat fields. The AI sees through them.

I know the map I played my own mission with my clan 2 days ago, and I know about the wheat filed and I can tell you to build your mission away from those fields.. as I did ;)

Edited December 11, 2014 by DuM3D0

[BlackAlpha 10]

AI do not see through the golden wheat fields... Tested that pretty thoroughly.

They may be able to see through the taller Green Wheat fields - not sure.

Grass itself is very long though I agree, and that gives no cover.

Technically I suppose someone could write a config to overwrite that with shorter grass - I'm no expert there.

Pretty sure Egil made it clear he's never going to touch the map again - which is a shame, as there is lots of tweaks that could be done to improve it/tidy it etc. Maybe he will one day donate it to someone who will support it ?

I'm specifically talking about the very long grass/wheat, including the golden one you mention. Go find a flat wheat field (double check it's flat and that there are no bumps that might block the line of sight), then spawn 1 prone AI on 1 side, spawn another prone AI on the other side and watch how they shoot each other. They can see through the entire thing.

[serjames 357]

We did that exact test, but we used players. Two of us engaged enemy one side of a field and they *surprise* shot back we took evasive cover and crawled away. I could zeus out and watch them aiming at where we used to be but not where we were. I actually then crawled around behind them and set mines down, before engaging and killing them with rifle fire. (subsequently I blew myself up with my own booby Traps, hence why I remember the situation so thoroughly!)

[Magirot 14]

Yeah, I did similar tests and they didn't see people who were prone.

But as far as I know, the AI handles grass in such a way that it's not an obstacle to its vision per se, it just decreases the change of spotting the target if the target is below "grass level". This means that while it won't detect prone targets, it can spot units that are standing up even if the AI itself is prone in the field, since it doesn't see any obstacles in the way. Quality paint presentation.

[BlackAlpha 10]

Maybe not all the fields are bugged then. Regardless, a whole bunch of them are. At least, every single one I tested was bugged. Probably checked like 1/3 of all the fields, so didn't check all of them.

To clarify, I tested it with both AI outside of the field.

We also had a few games where players hiding behind a field were taking accurate fire from an AI behind the field on the other side. Checked it with MCC/Zeus to be sure.

Edited December 11, 2014 by BlackAlpha

[DaViSFiT 21]

Ah, there are 2 layers of different low grass? Thats because it looks so wired when you drive with a car around. The brighter grass appears later then the darker grass. when you lay down it looks nice but not while moving :-/ wouldnt it be better performance wise to use only 1 sort of grass?

I found the 2 military "bases", thx to DuM3D0 and Magirot. Both needs some work i think, some structure, a goal what every building, exit, area have to do. I have someone that builds everytime our military areas, perhaps he might help you with this? He were in the army and knows a bit about that stuff.

[serjames 357]

Try ares + Zeus. I can dynamically spawn some pretty neat FOBs or bases for players to attack.

Different everytime

Sj

[egilsandfeld 7]

I'll look into the issues with the wheat fields. They should occlude the view by view geometry, but maybe I haven't set it up properly yet. Basically in the LOD of View Geometry I should make a box containing the dimensions of the wheat model it self, right?

I will also try to:

- lower the height of the wild grass clutter area

- remove another few thousand trees to optimize performance

- smooth the North

- Remove buildings from Almegaard Kaserne to make room for Zeus placed objects

- Look into LODs switching on grass

I will work on this for the next few days. Anything else missing or which needs to be updated?

[lumnuon 295]

The Island in the North could need some love probably, since it´s interesting for parachute missions. The island feels like it is just cluttered with buildings while the real counterpart looks completely different. Would be nice if you would look into it. I really appreciate your work though.

[DaViSFiT 21]

Tree's are mostly ok, its cool to have real feel forst. So if you delete trees, do it where players could need some more space (around the kaserne perhaps) and around the airfield?

You could do some work on the streets, some have some hard corners and elevation changes. will it help you if i make screenshots from them? ;)

some work to the citys perhaps? some houses stand so alone, only some bushes and a street. Not good looking for investors.

On this pic you see perhaps what i mean with sharp elevation changes.

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/ozha3hk_4.png

Edited December 15, 2014 by Numrollen

[dscha 147]

Maybe set the Hitbox of trees higher then 2,5m? (no idea at wich height it actualy is, but its definitly way to low =/)

Driving around with any vehicle, higher then 2m (especialy Trucks/4x4), is extremly risky.

Still: Good Job.

[DaViSFiT 21]

The fences around the military complex/area look too weak secured. They need barbed wire, perhaps twice the hole stuff.

[Ketchup0434 13]

Just looked at your terrain, loved it

[egilsandfeld 7]

Bornholm For Arma 3

Version 1.3 is inbound!

It's should be up on Armaholics shortly :)

http://i.imgur.com/4BsSQjz.png

http://i.imgur.com/WbYeg26.png

http://i.imgur.com/7T4pJgh.png

- Changelog Version 1.3

- Optimized island (removed another 5000 trees, and made openings in forests)

- Lowered height of clutter in wild grass areas. Now it should be just possible to lie in the grass and aim.

- Added 8-10 new hills in the North and 3 new hills in the South East for game play optimization

- Corrected roads to align to satellite texture

- Brightened satellite texture so it looks more summer and more realistic

- Removed bunch of buildings in Almegaard Kaserne to make room for custom FOBs inside the walls

- Smoothened the Northern part. It's still rocky and a rough terrain but roads should be more smooth now

- Made wheat fields occluding to AI. They can still shoot at you and track you mostly by last visible position along will your sound emissions

- Fixed other building positions etc.

Support me in my work

Like Bornholm? Please donate what ever you like to me. I'll appreciate it no matter the amount :) Thanks a lot in advance.

[gwiddik 27]

hmm.. don^t know how much work it is ... but as a little suggestion, you could rework some of the beaches... imho they are a litte bit steep compared to other islands. but maybe its only my taste, don^t know.

[heavygunner 179]

..... Anything else missing or which needs to be updated?

hmm.. don^t know how much work it is ... but as a little suggestion, you could rework some of the beaches... imho they are a litte bit steep compared to other islands. but maybe its only my taste, don^t know.

You're bit late to the party...

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[egilsandfeld 7]

yay! Thanks Foxhound :D

[serjames 357]

great job Egil - will test :-)

[TheConen 78]

Thanks for the update :). Is v1.3 compatible with current ALiVE version or do we have to wait till ALiVE indexes the new version and releases an update?

[kecharles28 197]

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