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Absolutely. That's what i'm trying to say from the beginning. Of course Hamas is a terrorist movements, and Israel is more close to our Western way of life. But as long as BOTH sides don't really try to solve the problem, nothing will change. The Talion law has so badly failed, another way must be found, outside of the influence of Religious parties.

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Currently I don't see a chance for peace becauseboth sides are unwilling to compromise.

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Let's be honest,that agreement was a joke : Israel goes away with 200 CIVs deaths,and hamas should give up its weaponry (the only defence palestinians have for the moment) !

The truth that you insist on ignoring is that all Palestinians are with Hamas ,no one forces them to be used as human shields,i'd even say that the only reason Israel is free to do whatever it wants to palestinians is the deadly silence of arab governements in the area plus the unconditional support Israel gets from the US and many other countries ...

Do you really expect me to apology for having just one death?! Because we prefer to keep our civilians safe as the D in IDF - Defense.Israel is being bombard by more then 100 rockets a day - yes 100 rockets to dense city area. Having only 200 civilians deaths is something to be proud of not to be a shamed.

Hamas have 200 civilians death because they picked a fight they can't handle and they are responsible for the death of the their civilians.

Hamas is a terror organization that is the reason the civilians in Gaza are suffering. We don't talk with terrorists.

I understand that you support terror so we won't find nothing in common to talk about.

But you might be interesting to know what are you supporting and why Hamas is a terror organization that is more dangerous to the civilians in Gaza then Israel will ever be:

And regarding the Settlements I really advice you to see this:

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If you wanna talk about terrorism ,then Israel's army has a large palmares in genocids and false flag attacks.

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If you wanna talk about terrorism ,then Israel's army has a large palmares in genocids and false flag attacks.

You are clearly just voice nonsense you've heard without exercising any form of criticism, as long as it is anti-Israeli.

I don't know what palmares mean, but what false flags attacks are you talking about? If you are going to mention the USS Liberty attack I suggest that before posting check the facts, so we could have a somewhat reasonable discussion, as much as it is hard with Israel-haters such as you.

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You are clearly just voice nonsense you've heard without exercising any form of criticism, as long as it is anti-Israeli.

I don't know what palmares mean, but what false flags attacks are you talking about? If you are going to mention the USS Liberty attack I suggest that before posting check the facts, so we could have a somewhat reasonable discussion, as much as it is hard with Israel-haters such as you.

Yeah,because discussion was very reasonable so far ... you are ruled by a terrorist governement voted by religious extremists ! stop defending the indefensible.

I don't know whether you have seen videos of what Gaza's bombing is doing or not ... but the only reason i don't post images is the forums rules ! it's just horrible ...

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/gaza-children-killed_n_5591281.html

Four Palestinian children were killed and one was critically wounded on a Gaza beach on Wednesday by a shell fired by an Israeli naval gunboat, a Palestinian health official said.

These boys would definately become terrorists should Israel allow them to grow up. I mean they were already covering Hamas terrorists, there were at least 100 terrorists hiding among the kids using them as human shields.

Too good Israelis are God's chosen people and can decide who can live and who should die.

Gaza health officials said 207 Palestinians, most of them civilians, had been killed in air and naval barrages, in the worst flareup of Israeli-Palestinian violence in two years.

One Israeli has been killed by shelling from Gaza that has made a race to shelter a daily routine for hundreds of thousands in Israel. (Reporting by Nidal al-Mughrabi; Writing by Jeffrey Heller; Editing by Andrew Roche)

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Yeah,because discussion was very reasonable so far ... you are ruled by a terrorist governement voted by religious extremists ! stop defending the indefensible.

I don't know whether you have seen videos of what Gaza's bombing is doing or not ... but the only reason i don't post images is the forums rules ! it's just horrible ...

Yeah war is ugly. Tell us something we don't know. Or do you want to trade grim pictures of the bombing in Gaza with pictures of buses full on inconcent civilians bombs to shreads by Islamic extremenists?!

You are either blind by hate or too ignorance to understand.

We as Israelis saying that there is a problame we are not ignoring it or throwing it all on the other side.

We make our own fate and we do not glorify death by going to the streets celebrating when civilians being killed, enemy or not.

I wish we had someone from the other side of the fence acting responsiblly and taking charge.

Did you know that palestinians has been given 25 times per person more money that was invested in the restoration of Europe after WW2? Where is all that money?! Ask their leaders.

As Yassar Araffat died he had more then Billion $ of property and cash....

The Palestinians civilians are suffering, they being feed with hate and misslead they beeing sacreficed on the altar just to keep their leaders reachers. It is not different from most of the Arabic nations.

But then again Europe seems to miss that.

All of you are crying "Israel kill civilians"

But why does Israel kill civilians? Because we want to? That is why we are sending SMS and asking for civilians to evacuate?

Or maybe because a terroist group are using civilians to shoot rockets and attack other civilians from their backyards?

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Israel admitted the attack was a mistake, so how the hell can it be a false flag operation? The ship was offered assistance once the IDF realised it was an American ship.

Well of course, if it's Israel then it must have been some kind of conspiracy, right?

You know, Palestinians are trying to kill me and my daughters on a daily basis, and I don't hate them as much as some of the people here hate Israel. That's fascinating.

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But why does Israel kill civilians? Because we want to? That is why we are sending SMS and asking for civilians to evacuate?

Or maybe because a terroist group are using civilians to shoot rockets and attack other civilians from their backyards?

Have you heard yourself ? evacuate so they can destroy their home ...

Let's talk numbers dude ... 1 Israeli VS 214 palestinians ! and please tell me what do you think about yesterday's children playing on the beach (the images of that are really terrible btw),i want you to explain this specifically !

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after hours off shooting at it and scrambling its radio's, then when the fleet knew what happend, they called the israelis to explain, and ohh they knew nothing but would investigate and give aid. you really good at making excuses for your goverment that like other goverments dont give a rats ass about you only their goals.

but please continue i love to hear the israelis playing the victim card(over and over and over)while killing thousands. and locking the palestinians into big open prisons where they will be bombed into bits!

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I have an idea so we can stop argue as it seems like no one would convice the others - I just wanted to give some info and not debate.

You guys in Europe take care of your Arabs problems and we will take care of ours and we meet again in 50 years.

After all Europe always has been very successful in closing their eyes shut untill someone will come to the rescue. :D

You did it great in 1940s and again in 1990 in Bosnia.

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after hours off shooting at it and scrambling its radio's, then when the fleet knew what happend, they called the israelis to explain, and ohh they knew nothing but would investigate and give aid. you really good at making excuses for your goverment that like other goverments dont give a rats ass about you only their goals.

but please continue i love to hear the israelis playing the victim card(over and over and over)while killing thousands. and locking the palestinians into big open prisons where they will be bombed into bits!

Does it really seem more likely to you that an american warship sailing in a war-zone was attacked by Israel on purpose rather by mistake? What part of Israel admitted the attack was done in error and apologized did you not understand?

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Does it really seem more likely to you that an american warship sailing in a war-zone was attacked by Israel on purpose rather by mistake? What part of Israel admitted the attack was done in error and apologized did you not understand?

USA was against that war ,Israel wanted to involve it in it using that false flag attack ! that's it ...

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With Hamas unwilling to trust Egypt as a mediator any more is there any country in the region that could hope to realistically broker a ceasefire?

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With Hamas unwilling to trust Egypt as a mediator any more is there any country in the region that could hope to realistically broker a ceasefire?

Why would you trust a governement who came after a coup against the will of its people and that is leading a huge media war against hamas ?

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I'm not suggesting that they would or should. I'm genuinely asking the question; is there a nation that both sides are likely to accept as mediator instead of Egypt? Otherwise it seems this crisis is doomed to escalate.

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Hamas started it. They are the ones who fired some 100 rockets at civilian areas of Israel. Israel has obviously the right to defend itself.

Tell me, if your islamic neighboor starts to throw rocks at the window of your child's room, would you ask him to just stop and settle this down as friends in a diversified world or would you call him a lunatic, hit him in the face and call the cops

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If it obviously wasn't going to stop him throwing rocks in the future, I probably wouldn't kill my neighbors and their neighbors as well, just for good measure.

And once the neighbor promises not to throw rocks for a while, I probably wouldn't promptly provoke him again by going and stealing one of his several thousand rocks.

See, I can write stupid analogies too.

And writing that 'Hamas started it' is the height of idiocy. Hamas has only existed as an organization for a little over twenty years. Israeli has been blockading, bombing or raiding Gaza for over a half century, long before Hamas existed. In fact, Israeli intelligence played a key roll in fostering Hamas in the early stages of the movement, because they knew that the rise of radical, irrational religious fanatics would divide and discredit the more secular and legitimate Palestinian resistance to the occupation. Mission accomplished, on that count. There's plenty of Palestinian resistance that doesn't employ rockets or attacks on civilians, but no one will pay attention to that when Israel and Hamas go to war, and Israel can use anti-terrorist tactics on anyone who does not toe the line in the military dictatorship that is the West Bank.

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Hamas started it. They are the ones who fired some 100 rockets at civilian areas of Israel. Israel has obviously the right to defend itself.

Tell me, if your islamic neighboor starts to throw rocks at the window of your child's room, would you ask him to just stop and settle this down as friends in a diversified world or would you call him a lunatic, hit him in the face and call the cops

Why does it matter if your neighbor is Islamic or not? But to answer your question, I would place my child in a safer room and then ask my neighbor to stop. Then I would tell him I am calling the police. If he kept throwing them I would actually call the police. Then I would probably put my family into the most easily defensible room, grab a weapon, and hold the room until the police arrive. Then he would either be arrested or go into his own house. If he goes into his own house I tell the police he is there. The police then go and arrest him and I sue him for the property damage. Why would I bother calling him a lunatic or punching him in the face when there are more civilized means? And how did that question even relate to this topic in the first place?

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Why does it matter if your neighbor is Islamic or not?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28381455

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28374679

and 100 of such stuff,

religion is really bad thing

if those both sides would be more atheistic, violence there would be cut down for 90%

but both sides believe in "god" and make problem cause "god chosen them" , the best is not to believe in any "god" but in middle east people do believe that they should kill those who have "other god"

even in Europe people are attaked by Islamists because Islamists for example felt offended that European eaten sandwitch with pork (France) or because European drunk beer (London) etc.

problem is that Islamists force on others Shiria law, the same what in Middleages Catholic Church was doing

accodring to UK stats by The Guardian 40% of Muslims in UK want Shiria law

do you understand ? 40% (of how much Muslims are in UK ? few percent ? ) want OTHER people to follow their rules about food, clothes, sex, etc. this is sick that minority wants by force to make majority to obey religion rules , lets wait few years and in Europe in 2030 you gonna have people beheaded for eating pork or drinking wine by few percent of imigrants who came to our land to ... tell us that we must obey them,

monoteistic religions doesn't know tollerance, all monoteistic religions try to force others (from Catholic one which was proven by Middleages Inquisition, by Judaism in Isreal with Jews believing that "god gave them this land and they must have it cause god gave it", to Islam with hanging people for being gay or lesbian or apostasy)

religions by itself are dangerous (including ultra Catholic examples of people who killed gynecologist or porn-industry people, famous owner of Hustler is on wheelchair cause he was shot in spine , right? for what ? for giving people pleasure that religious freaks do not accept ? etc)

having religious fanatic in neigborhood is as having junkie criminal in neigborhood - dangerous cause he is capable of doing anything "his god told him" (schizophrenia ?)

world would be more peacefull without religions, less reasons to kill or be killed

If he goes into his own house I tell the police he is there. The police then go and arrest him and I sue him for the property damage.

nope, cause if he goes back to his home, his area-police say "martyr, hero, fought with infidel"

the problem is that religious mind believe that others must follow him ,

example : Poland, Catholics - my family - since i was child i remember all the time arguments in home cause my very catholic grandparents were forcing me to eat according to Catholic rules , not what i want,

i like pizza, pork ham, but i was forced to eat fish "because it is friday" , how can any SANE person justify eating something because of callendar date ?

but i had to eat fishes cause "Jesus told so" , if Jesus wanted to eat fish - it should be his personal problem 2000 years ago, not my, but it was my problem cause few very religious persons were believing i must obey THEIR believes and eat according to their will, the same now you have in some Western Europe cities where Islamists imigrants want to make obey local native people to follow Shiria ,

every forcing religions on others is kind of terror and oppression to personal freedom and should be fought with, last example from my friend who is working in London - he told me he had argument with one Muslim, cause this Muslim on the street started to attack him for beer in hand , also Martin (Taviana island) who was living in London for few years was telling me similar things,

people in middle east have very big trend to force others to follow their rules (look at signs for tourists to not wear not appropriate wear in Muslim countries, look at example of arresting single women etc. )

people must learn they are equal and have equal rights- but in religious schools (Judaism, Islam) youths are educated that "they are better, they are over others, cause god told so"

religious fanatism is the same kind as nationalism fanatism - it is belief that "one is better, other is worse, just because of religion"

problem that Jews cannot coexist with Muslim in this Isreal area is that both sides are very religious and both sides believe in their supremacy < it is the same what nationalism is, with exemption that i do not know any examples of people attacked or beaten by Jews because of eating not-koshe food, or wearing not such clothes, or being gay etc. Jews are not trying to force their religious things (food, clothes etc) on others opposite to second side of conflict which tries to do it even in Christian-Atheistic Europe

if someone can provide proofs of Jewish youth attacking Christians leaving Church , i would like to see it,

so far in France or UK such things happened with Muslims attacking local Europeans for being in Chrisitan Church or people beaten in French public transport by guys who were "offended" by person keeping pork ham sandwich in hand,

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