Ukraine General

[ProfTournesol 956]

And the conspiracy theory is boring : we SAW snipers shooting on protesters among Berkut policemen on several video footages.

[vilas 473]

yes, but the same time also Berkut/Police was also shot by some snipers, there were snipers shooting both sides, Police snipers may be shooting persons with arms, but someone shoot both sides , police had snipers of course, but this police also noted sniper fire and was looking for other snipers who fire (there were videos how they try to identify who shoot and dozen policemen were shot too )

there were "independent" snipers there, otherwise you would not have shot dead policemen and not had police snipers chats asking "who is shooting , it's not us, who is shooting there"

any greed rich souless oligarch could order them knowing - it will be end of Yanuk, and again money money moneeeeeey flood to pocket goes (businesmen hated Yanuk cause he was stealing money that they wanted to steal )

Edited May 4, 2014 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

yes, but the same time also Berkut/Police was also shot by some snipers, there were snipers shooting both sides, Police snipers may be shooting persons with arms, but someone shoot both sides , police had snipers of course, but this police also noted sniper fire and was looking for other snipers who fire (there were videos how they try to identify who shoot and dozen policemen were shot too )

Even if what you said was true, which is still to be proven. Because there are videos that show how Berkut was shooting and to who, abut non in the other case.

That would never be a reason to shoot people armed only with sticks and stones.

You talk about Maidan like if it was some kind of really weird exception, while in a lot of EU countries, even in the US have seen similar movements, and only in Ukraine the ending was different.

[vilas 473]

and only in Ukraine the ending was different.

cause :

- west is already in EU and big business do not have interest cause they already there and they already own industry there ,

- western media, western justice is not that corrupted and if any businesman would dare to shoot workers who want better work condition - it would be investigated and prosecuted,

you must understand nature of oligarchy and corruption , businesmen in Ukraine is like god, he is uber human, he can do whatever he wants (famous case how sons of rich guys gang-raped and burned alive one woman and they were free and case was closed),

so in Ukrane businesman CAN shoot to people if he want, in west , in USA he CAN'T cause he will be put to justice or shot by police,

if in West people would demand better work condition, can you imagine owner of Tesco, Carrefour, Lidl, Whirlpool sitting with sniper rifles "noo you wont get 1 dollar more" ?

NO, but in Ukraine IT CAN HAPPEN, in Russia in 90s it could happen, cause corruption was so high, that it was businemen who were ruling , not government, not parliament, but few businesmen from mafia, cause they had bilions,

- because in west you have 1% of "nazis" and in Ukraine in some regions you have 30% support for them, in Poland on far-right demonstration you have 200 men from 36 000 000 country , in Ukraine 200 man who support Hitler you can find in one village

- those people on Maidan were against corruption also - noone in Ukraine from mainstream (mainstream parties) want change situation, Timoshenko is oligarch herself with corruption charges, with ordering murder charges,

sorry to offtop again

only in Ukraine, Russia and Poland burglar can rob your house and police will close case cause he has money/he gave bribe

i had burglary in 2005, guy was caught by patrol (neigbors called me, i called police)

case was closed, guy is free, stolen items were sold later and one of items is now in one museum, sounds nice ?

guy who sold it to musem said "i bought items on street , i do not rememeber from whom" and case was closed by court, i lost my family memorabilia, now i can see some of them in one museum , they were belonging to my father and should belong to me, but there was burglary on 1-st July 2005 to flat of my father , i was fighting in courts for 8 years, and i lost all cases , because Polish courts do not need proofs, they get bribe, i had to pay 542 PLN (140 Euro) for travel-costs of "witness" (guy who sold stolen items to Museum and who said "i bought it on street, i do not remember anything" )

possible in Germany ? possible in USA ? possible in Sweden ? possible in Finland ? NO

it happened in Poland , it happens in Russia, it happens in Ukraine, it happens in Moldavia, in Albania, in Africa, in Brasil maybe in other asian state maybe in Mexico

living in west, living in especially top-honest Scandinavian country (Scandinavia is world-wide known as highest transparency standards of governments and administration) you see corruption only in movies like mafia-movies, criminal movies,

but in other parts of the world it is not movie, it is my life, i fought with burglars for 8 years in court, i lost , i fought with employer who not paid for my work , i lost, i was fighting in court with guy who nearly droven over my girl, i lost, my mother fought with guy who falsified documents, she lost,i am fighting with debtor who owns me money for one transaction , and i am not winning to get my money back, cause this guy said "he has some relatives", i won in Strassboug court with Poland, my mother also won in Strassburg against Poland , so what ? nothing changed in Poland ? businsmen or simply rich person is above the law still, poor person is not listened in court and in Ukraine it is 1000 worse,

in Russia and Ukraine rich guys use Police lightbars to move faster in traffic, they can, you have private limousine of private person with blue strobe light on street, can you imagine in Finland guy who is using police lightbar to cross red light and drive 200 km/h in urban area ? in Kiev, in Moscow it is every day reality,

rich guy is there god who can do whatever he wants, it is corrupted country, Ukraine, Russia in Yeltsin era (before Putin), mafia in government, mafia taking whole industry plants etc. regular criminals wih golden necklate and AKMS in hand ordering director of cars produce plant to give 10% of year income ? yeee, it was like this in Russia in 90s

i read about such actions in Lada (VAZ) car factory in 90s, that regular mafia , gangsters were comming with AKMS, AKS74U to car produce plant ordering to give them money from car factory or they will shoot people , it was like this in Russia when Yelcin was president

Edited May 4, 2014 by vilas

[mistyronin 1181]

it happened in Poland , it happens in Russia, it happens in Ukraine, it happens in Moldavia, in Albania, in Africa, in Brasil maybe in other asian state maybe in Mexico

Ok, you list a lot of what you consider the top of the corrupted countries ( the African continent is another world ). But in which of those the riot police used war assault weapons widely against demonstrators armed with sticks and stones?

[vilas 473]

But in which of those the riot police used war assault weapons widely against demonstrators armed with sticks and stones?

snipers on roof controlig such big riots are probably normal (that snipers look for armed persons), but in Ukraine someone shot, shootings were also from area/hotel which was taken by Madian protesters, those are facts also that bullets were comming from that place ,

Ukraine was closer to Egypt in some "standards" ,

you do not need riots, in Poland when US president comes , you have snipers on every roof, try to take something similar to weapon , even if it is not riots, it is visit of US president or Israeli president,

war weapons - you must also remember that they not switched to MP5 yet,

in socialism all police, border control, custom control, army etc. had AKMS, you had no "police weapons" and "war weapons", all had AKMS as main issue,

in modern western law enforcement you have MP5, they have as main issue weapon AKMS, AK74, AKS74U, not other types,

it is also case that on videos they had "war weapons"

Polish border guards NOW in 2014 switches from AKMS to PM98 SMG,

Polish police in 2000s switched from AKMS to PM98, MP5, UMP, Mossberg shotguns with rubber balls, before you almost had no rubber balls , so they had either battons or AKMS, or pistols with 9mm Makarov ,

in west you use "police weapons" for police, in east "all are equipped with one type of rifle" still,

Ukraine is so poor that they do not invest in anything, so now imagine them to change all AK74 which they have after USSR to Mossbergs with rubber non-leathal ammunition ? they do not have money even to order new tanks, they can produce T84 but they do not have money for it and they upgraded few T64 only, so it is bugdet-technical issue that they carried AK74's instead of rubber non lethal shotguns,

Polish police in my city probably has bigger budget than whole Ukrainian police , so Polish police since 10 years have non-leathal weapons, but Ukrainians probably have AK74 made in USSR used since 1980s ,

so thats why they carried war weapons,

plus you have there Ukrainian nationalists, Russian nationalists mixed and they fuel situation,

but police with war weapons is not explaing who ordered snipers who shot both sides , who shot from area which was taken by Maidan (this famous hotel if i remember correctly)

p.s.

look at western business behaviour, are they not selling Russian customers goods ? not, they do all to not say about any embargos, they think only about doing business and having profits (businsemen)

Edited May 4, 2014 by vilas

[arttem 1]

Dear colleagues of our little local security council of UN. :) I can't leave you alone. Because you are going far from the line of the thread. And begin to argue between your self. :)

Let me return you to some interesting moments from the 2 of may in Odessa.

1. The maidan "hundred" is singing the hymn and ready for action from the morning.

http://youtu.be/PCXeiHxVFsI

That group have insignia of six "hundred" unit. Later when action began, that "hundred" dissolved in crowd. And was acting in all important places by little groups by 3-5 men's.

You can find them everythere later.

2. There was a very interesting character.

Commander of the "hundred" Nikolay. Which "hundred" was obeyed to him directly is not known. I indentifed two "hundred" formations there, 6th and 14th.

In the morning he was urging the crowd to disassemble the road and to gather stones.

After that he dissapears from the scene.

3. We know that pro-russian radicals was using heavy weapons. Let's look closer what weapons it was. And, do we need to use the plural here?

Two main barricades, where pro-russians was using automatic weapons. We can find them in reports and in stream.

First:

Second:

http://youtu.be/3L4ynhxeln0

It's a different places. And we see everywhere the "fatman" with AK74u. You need to note that everywhere he appears from nowhere and disappear the same way. We can say that he use a chaos.

Here you can see that he dissapeared:

http://youtu.be/xmje80jmHNc

Interesting remark. On the video you can find, that guy in adidas covering "fatman". He acting like specop. He is holding him from the back by the collar of armor vest. Such action is native for specop. But we can't say that "fatman" himself have any real training. We should note how he moves, how he holds AK in hands and how he shoots.

4. Now let's go to events very close (20 mins) to the arson of a building of the regional Council. Commander of the "hundred" Nikolay calls by phone to minister. Nobody knows to minister of what he reports. His report contains a number of casualties from pro-ukraine side and a statement that him and his people without any weapons here.

http://youtu.be/mnQhqmp7CUo

The man in camo who stands behind Nikolay tells to policeman: "Colonel give us a corridor (to the building) and we will make/finish our work".

5. So we know that they don't have any weapons. But when building begin to burn. And people try to save their life thru the windows. Nikolay make some strange actions. He is shooting people in windows.

6. Very strange moment. How "fatman" appears in all important places of confrontation and disappears from em the same way? Why that "fatman" and guy, wearing adidas, is looking very similar/close to Nikolay and his bodyguard? For example composition of "fatman" and Nikolay:

And it's important to compare how fatman moves and use weapon in attack and how Nikolay moves and use weapon. (videos above)

There were two cars with armed people moving on streets on high speed in the stream. I've spent all night. But i need to declare that they now became a phantoms. Archive with the record of the stream from o1.ua was deleted. Russian anti-maidan group didn't have time to download it. So that fact now is a rumor. But it can explain how "fatman" was everywhere for example.

P.S. Veeery strange guy.

In sum. I'm don't think that goal of that action was to burn building of regional council with people inside. It is the consequence of chaos which came out of control. My opinion is that the goal for that action was confrontation between the parties, as well as the destruction of the "field" camp of federalization supporters on the square. The lesson to others. Ordinary violent suppression of dissidents. But things didn't go according to plan. To what however - I'm not surprised.

Note. Pro-russians in Odessa, Lugansk, Donetsk, Slavyansk etc. Don't want go to Russia, don't want to be a part of Russia. They want federalization of the Ukraine. It's a different things.

P.S.S. I've counted 3 guys with pistols (traumatic, people on video telling to streamcameraman that they was hit by resin bullets), 1 guy with SMG (appears for short moment one time) and 1 mystic with AK74u "Suchka" (pure police model and he appears everywhere) on pro-rus side.

Edited May 4, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

There were two cars with armed people moving on streets on high speed in the stream. I've spent all night. But i need to declare that they now became a phantoms. Archive with the record of the stream from o1.ua was deleted. Russian anti-maidan group didn't have time to download it. So that fact now is a rumor. But it can explain how "fatman" was everywhere for example.

Well you have kind of a point, and well exposed. I can't consider it clear, but I must agree that there are reasonable possibilities that what you exposed could be true. Obviously far beyond our means to discover it.

To me it's still a huge unknown who were those 'phantoms', and why there is no recorded proof of their 'action'.

In sum. I'm don't think that goal of that action was to burn building of regional council with people inside. It is the consequence of chaos which came out of control. My opinion is that the goal for that action was confrontation between the parties, as well as the destruction of the "field" camp of federalization supporters on the square. The lesson to others. Ordinary violent suppression of dissidents. But things didn't go according to plan. To what however - I'm not surprised.

I don't think anyone was expecting that fire.

And probably the goal for Friday was the confrontation. I can agree with you on that.

But we must remember that all started with an Ukrainian demonstration that groups of pro-Russian tried to crash, and those group came white vans with the seal of the Rep. of Donbas . I don't think you can find many in southern Ukraine.

BTW there are still missing from the videos scenes were Ukrainian were bashing pro-Russians that had been captured by the police at half afternoon, the ones that were equiped exacly the same as the 'green men' in Slaviansk. Those were being protected by two lines of police officers in duty dress, not any riot equipment nor helmets.

People took their balaklavas off.

Note. Pro-russians in Odessa, Lugansk, Donetsk, Slavyansk etc. Don't want go to Russia, don't want to be a part of Russia. They want federalization of the Ukraine. It's a different things.

That is probably what population in Eastern Ukraine wants, but not what Vyacheslav Ponomarev and other armed leaders want. They have repeatedly say that want a referendum to join Russia, it their only goal, and done with weapons.

[arttem 1]

I don't think anyone was expecting that fire.

And probably the goal for Friday was the confrontation. I can agree with you on that.

Yes. But according to words of Nikolay bodyguard. Somebody found some work to be done in that chaos.

She didn't die in flame or from the smoke. Her pose and the parts of some polyethylene glycol on the floor. Telling me that she was strangled after the fire, on that table.

Warning. Strong +18.

Oooops. Forum rules. Use google.

Edited May 4, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

Yes. But according to words of Nikolay bodyguard. Somebody found some work to be done in that chaos.

She didn't die in flame or from the smoke. Her pose and the parts of some polyethylene glycol on the floor. Telling me that she was strangled after the fire, on that table.

I don't know if she died by the fire smoke.

But seeing the scenes of the other day there was a LOT of violence on both parts, so I could expect anything.

I remember for example one "green man" that was taken by the police, that if there haven't been 3 lines of police he would probably ended really bad.

The pro-Ukrainians are not saints, and there is lot of hatred caused by these last months events. That Russia invaded Crimea, was a low blow for most of the population.

Edited May 4, 2014 by MistyRonin

[arttem 1]

Interesting cooment from Odessa native.

Stream cameraman stopped woman on the street. It was near the firefight car.

Her speech contain explanation, trying to translate the part as it is:

36:55 "<....they call all that chaos - march for peace? ...they was making a marches here month ago, walking on the street everywhere and screaming let's kill the Russians, put the Moscovites on knives!... after that, about what peaceful marches you wanna to speak?...>"

Edited May 4, 2014 by ArtTem

[spooky lynx 73]

http://ars.livejournal.com/12135.html

[mistyronin 1181]

http://ars.livejournal.com/12135.html

The thing of the red armbands is an interesting subject. In the streaming videos the people with red armbands were found in the pro-Russian side, but in the Ukrainian side there were also a few.

The main difference that I could detect is that Right Sector uses red and black armbands and pro-Russians usually full red.

This ones that in your web are tagged as pro-Ukrainians wear the red armband and also the Saint George ribbon ( the most common pro-Russian sign ).

It's clear in the backpack .

Look at the guy from the right, this ones also wear Saint George ribbons:

Again look at the guy in the zoomed photo talking to the police, he also wears a Saint George ribbon:

http://cs620322.vk.me/v620322773/4726/wak3gAuTBIo.jpg (148 kB)

Edited May 4, 2014 by MistyRonin

[arttem 1]

The thing of the red armbands is an interesting subject. In the streaming videos the people with red armbands were found in the pro-Russian side, but in the Ukrainian side there were also a few.

The main difference that I could detect is that Right Sector uses red and black armbands and pro-Russians usually full red.

This ones that in your web are tagged as pro-Ukrainians wear the red armband and also the Saint George ribbon ( the most common pro-Russian sign ).

Misty i still try to understand that post from the Spooky link. :)

But. Remark. There was Right Sector. I saw some of them, they didn't try to hide. For example that character:

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Odessa. Again....

Stream:

http://anti-maidan.com/?p=streams&sid=new-odessa&attempt=1

[mistyronin 1181]

But. Remark. There was Right Sector. I saw some of them, they didn't try to hide.

Indeed, I also saw Svoboda guys with the yellow armbands and the weird sign.

But the thing of the red armbands was a bit crazy, because both sides used them ( as I said usually Right Sector with red and black and pro-Russian with full red, I guess communists? ).

[arttem 1]

Indeed, I also saw Svoboda guys with the yellow armbands and the weird sign.

But the thing of the red armbands was a bit crazy, because both sides used them ( as I said usually Right Sector with red and black and pro-Russian with full red, I guess communists? ).

No, i don't think so. Communists in Russia it's a minority now. And the big part of them is grannies. They don't have any influence on masses. Mmmm. Do not confuse it with the holiday of the first of may. It's an old communist celebration day. But it still alive. Because it's - "Peace! Labour! May!" Vintage. Retro! You can feel yourself as real communist! :)

I think that red arm patches was working as markers for pro-russians. Just simply markers.

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Found amongst today's news some commentaries about this:

http://www.tvp.info/15052815/za-porwaniem-obserwatorow-obwe-stala-rosja-sa-nagrania-rozmow-lukina

It's a usual speech. Yes he is using words: "you was informed before". Ofcourse he was informed. I'm a russian speaking, it's my native language. And intonations of Lukin in that speech and the manner how he place words... He is speaking with a humiliating intonation. Practically begs. Girkin speak with him very aggressive and throw the phone, telling that he have more important things to do now and don't have any time for him. Ofcourse Girkin was informed. How you imagine it to yourself, Lukin appears on checkpoint "Surprise!!!" I remember some guys from Europe made such joke sometime ago. Yes, it was "funny".

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Behind the Masks in Ukraine, Many Faces of Rebellion.

(The New York times) http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/world/europe/behind-the-masks-in-ukraine-many-faces-of-rebellion.html?hp

Moscow says they are Ukrainians and not part of the Russian armed forces, as the so-called green men in Crimea turned out to be.

Western officials and the Ukrainian government insist that Russians have led, organized and equipped the fighters.

A deeper look at the 12th Company — during more than a week of visiting its checkpoints, interviewing its fighters and observing them in action against a Ukrainian military advance here on Friday — shows that in its case neither portrayal captures the full story.

The rebels of the 12th Company appear to be Ukrainians but, like many in the region, have deep ties to and affinity for Russia. They are veterans of the Soviet, Ukrainian or Russian Armies, and some have families on the other side of the border. Theirs is a tangled mix of identities and loyalties.

Throughout the week, as Ukrainian soldiers sometimes pressed closer, he chuckled at the claims by officials in Kiev and the West that his operations had been guided by Russian military intelligence officers.

There is no Russian master, he said. “We have no Muscovites here,†he said. “I have experience enough.â€

That experience, he and his fighters say, includes four years as a Soviet small-unit commander in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in the 1980s.

They bristled at any suggestion that their seizure of government buildings was wrong. Pro-Western protesters in Kiev have held government buildings and the city’s main square since last fall, they said.

“Why did America support those acts, but is in opposition to ours?†said Maksim, the young former paratrooper who organized Yuri’s snipers by the bridge. “These are the contradictions of the West.â€

Maksim, like many others, speaks of what he sees as unbreakable cultural, economic and religious ties to Russia and his ideal of a greater Slavic world, which he says is threatened from outside.

The threats, the fighters said, were made clear by a parliamentary proposal in February by the interim authorities in Kiev that would have stripped Russian of its status as an official language in eastern Ukraine. The proposal was vetoed by the interim president, but in the fighters’ view the episode signaled an official cultural assault.

“That was a turning point,†said Maksim, adjusting a knife tucked against his chest in a black vest.

Several fighters shook their heads at the idea that they had been paid by Russia, by oligarchs or by anybody else.

“This is not a job,†said one fighter, Dmitry. “It is a service.â€

Moreover, if Russia’s intelligence services had been helping them, they said, they would have new weapons, not the dated arms visible at their checkpoints and stored in the base where they sleep. During the fighting on Friday, two of the fighters carried hunting shotguns, and the heaviest visible weapon was a sole rocket-propelled grenade.

Many of the weapons show signs of long service. One, an RPG-7 launcher, looked clean and fresh. The fighters said it had been purchased from Ukrainian soldiers for $2,000, along with 12 high-explosive projectiles.

Militia members said their weapons had either been taken from seized police buildings and a column of captured Ukrainian armored vehicles, or bought from corrupt Ukrainian soldiers.

In the 12th Company, some hope the eastern provinces can establish autonomy within a federalized Ukraine. Others speak of dividing the nation in two, with much of it joining Russia.

Asked whether Ukraine should remain one nation, Sergey, a veteran of the Soviet air-defense service, said, “Sure, why not?â€

“No, no, no,†interjected Dmitry, a younger fighter. “What kind of united Ukraine could there be?â€

Later, another fighter, Aleksey, agreed. “In western Ukraine, they showed their faces: Nazis, fascist,†he said. “They destroyed monuments to Lenin, attacked our history. Living on one land with them is senseless for us.â€

Then came the matter of details, where might a new border be, and which side should keep Kiev. “Let Kiev remain there in the west,†said Sanya, a huge man with a shaved head who carried a Dragunov sniper rifle. “It’s not a problem in principle.â€

“No, all the way to Kiev!†Dmitry said.

Alexey proposed a border along the Dnieper, the river that runs through Kiev.

“Fine, along the Dnieper,†Dmitry said. “Left bank is theirs, right bank is ours.â€

Whatever the final shape, Yuri said later, Ukraine’s interim government must allow a vote or face civil war.

“Either a sea of blood and corpses, or a referendum,†he said. “There is no third way.â€

Edited May 4, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

A bit, Off-Topic but I think it's a funny point to relax a bit, after all it's sunday:

( The Guardian ) Obama mocks himself, Putin and the press at White House dinner

Obama made fun of conservative television hosts' talk about Putin's bare chest and a comment from one last year about Putin being headed for a Nobel peace prize. “To be fair, they give those to just about anybody these days,†said Obama, who received the prize in 2009.

[arttem 1]

A bit, Off-Topic but I think it's a funny point to relax a bit, after all it's sunday:

( The Guardian ) Obama mocks himself, Putin and the press at White House dinner

It's hard to relax because they banned one of my favourite show. :(

WTF? It was a satirical show.... What's the problem, why they banned broadcast for Russians?

http://i.imgur.com/zXBlghr.png (482 kB)

Edited May 4, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

It's hard to relax because they banned one of my favourite show. :(

WTF? It was a satirical show.... What's the problem, why they banned translations for Russians?

http://i.imgur.com/zXBlghr.png (482 kB)

That's weird. I don't know, it was a typical show they do every year.

Try the video from the White House.

Here is the transcription

[arttem 1]

That's weird. I don't know, it was a typical show they do every year.

Try the video from the White House.

Here is the transcription

No no Misty. I'm talking about The Daily Show site. It's not banned from Russian side. http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/n7q4b5/grimm-shady?xrs=synd_twitter_050114_tds_16 It works. But when you try to look any broadcast (show) there, they send you far away with your problems. If you are Russian ofcourse.

So what will be the next? CNN, BBC? I understand that they will not close CNN and BBC. But whats the problem? It was a satiric show. Why we can't watch it?

[Tonci87 163]

It's hard to relax because they banned one of my favourite show. :(

WTF? It was a satirical show.... What's the problem, why they banned broadcast for Russians?

http://i.imgur.com/zXBlghr.png (482 kB)

That is how state controled internet looks like. They will simply block things they don´t like. For now you can circumvent that with VPNs but Putin gets his way he will establish an internal, completely controled internet (The wet dream of many politicians all around the world). ( Or at least that is what I gathered from his speech)

[arttem 1]

That is how state controled internet looks like. They will simply block things they don´t like. For now you can circumvent that with VPNs but Putin gets his way he will establish an internal, completely controled internet (The wet dream of many politicians all around the world). ( Or at least that is what I gathered from his speech)

Wait, wait, what's the problem with Putin again? It's banned from US side.

:) Explanation. Site work's for me perfectly. Comments for any video works. But when you try to play video it recognize your IP and sends you to hell. It's not from our side. It's a part of sanctions i guess. No problem.

If they prefer trampoline, it's theirs choice. :)

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But ok. I think it's not good to blame our overseas partner for such little misunderstanding. I must be strong like our President, because they banned his account and he can't watch the "Game of thrones". He have a real tragedy.

Edited May 4, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

Wait, wait, what's the problem with Putin again? It's banned from US side.

:) Explanation. Site work's for me perfectly. Comments for any video works. But when you try to play video it recognize your IP and sends you to hell. It's not from our side. It's a part of sanctions i guess. No problem.

If they prefer trampoline, it's theirs choice. :)

Yeah it's from the US side, I recognize that message, it happens to me when I'm trying for example to watch football matches from certain webs.

It's just that sometime some videos are only open for certain regions, due to rights issues or company policy.

[batto 17]

The most comprehensive private investigation on the shootings in Kiev, February.: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=668_1399131016

too long, didn't watch

[spooky lynx 73]

One of anti-maidan activists that got free yesterday after being detained. He was at labuor union house when it was burned. He tells that more than 100 died - some of them were beaten to death, shot from shotguns and rifles, suffocated, burned alive by right sector and football ultras. Maidanuts killed everybody no matter of gender and age. Even pregnant woman who worked there and failed to escape was suffocated (there are pics of her corpse available on Russian internet together with pics of other victims, but I won't post the link here, too disturbing).