beastcat 14 Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Tagesschau - BND zur Absturzursache von MH17: "Es waren pro-russische Separatisten"The Bundesnachrichtendienst (Federal Intelligence Service) about the downing of MH17: "It was pro-russian separatists". Edited October 19, 2014 by beastcat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surpher 1 Posted October 19, 2014 (TASS) Lavrov: Russia cannot lose Ukraine “We cannot lose Ukraine because it is not confined to a group of persons who committed a state coup and seized power; it is not confined to the Nazis who continue marching in Kiev and other big cities committing acts of vandalism, destroying monuments and glorifying Hitler’s accomplices,†Lavrov said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted October 19, 2014 Russia cannot lose Ukraine, as it doesn't own it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surpher 1 Posted October 19, 2014 Some general russian weirdness. Apparently this fsb lady has been acting as a provocateur during the recent protests and is kinda married to the crazy russian nazi puppy killer dude now. (Ukraine: War Log) Violent Kiev Clashes: A Provocation Organised by Russian FSB Agent Yulia Kharlamov Kharlamov is friends with Alexei 'butcher' Milchakov, a known Spetsnaz GRU agent, and commander of notorious "Batman" fast response unit, operating out of Luhansk.They fought together in the Donbas. The sabotage squad unit "Rusich," a battalion of Milchakov's "Batman" unit, attacked battalion Aidar’s checkpoints in the village of Shchastya, Lugansk region on September 5th, reportedly killing eleven Ukrainian soldiers. Through social media site VKontakte, Kharlamov organized the recruitment of soldiers, preparing them physiologically as provocateurs, for the protest on October 13th. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) The german military intelligence service BND has compiled an analysis of the MH17 incident. According to that report Sattelite pictures and other evidence show that the separatists shot down the plane with a captured BUK system. The report also mentions that both Russia and the Ukraine have been manipulating evidence. http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/bnd-ukraine-101.html Edited October 19, 2014 by Tonci87 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brisse 78 Posted October 19, 2014 It also mentions that the BUK was stolen from Ukraine, not brought in from Russia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aleksadragutin 9 Posted October 19, 2014 The german military intelligence service BND has compiled an analysis of the MH17 incident. According to that report Sattelite pictures and other evidence show that the separatists shot down the plane with a captured BUK system. The report also mentions that both Russia and the Ukraine have been manipulating evidence.http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/bnd-ukraine-101.html There was word of satellite images for months now. How come it took them this long to analyse and reach a conclusion? Ether they are really inefficient or there were no assuring images at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beastcat 14 Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) The german military intelligence service BND has compiled an analysis of the MH17 incident. According to that report Sattelite pictures and other evidence show that the separatists shot down the plane with a captured BUK system. The report also mentions that both Russia and the Ukraine have been manipulating evidence.http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/bnd-ukraine-101.html I literally posted the exact same link 4 posts ago... :( ---------- Post added at 21:04 ---------- Previous post was at 21:02 ---------- It also mentions that the BUK was stolen from Ukraine, not brought in from Russia. According to the separatist twitter they have taken it from a military base and repaired it after the army destroyed it so they can't use it. So this happened today on russian TV: The points are: -Dont care about the rights of others -Readiness to kill without court -Intollerance and agression -Brutality -Messianism Yes, you are seeing right, they are comparing Obama to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The channel is state owned by the way, so yeah... Edited October 19, 2014 by beastcat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Revichev 10 Posted October 19, 2014 Anybody heard about the battelions of gibi and motorola? Search them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beastcat 14 Posted October 20, 2014 Anybody heard about the battelions of gibi and motorola? Search them. Yeah, they are attacking the airport right now, what about them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 20, 2014 For how long has the battle for the airport been going now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carlostex 38 Posted October 20, 2014 Yes, you are seeing right, they are comparing Obama to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. The channel is state owned by the way, so yeah... And somehow the west is labeled as Russophobic.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surpher 1 Posted October 20, 2014 For how long has the battle for the airport been going now? Almost five months since Ukraine paratroopers retook the airport. RT's take on the Spiegel story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 20, 2014 RT twisting the news, nothing new here...jesus what a bullshit network..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted October 20, 2014 RT twisting the news, nothing new here... The question is more : when don't they twist the news ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danil-ch 165 Posted October 20, 2014 A don't get it. :confused: Both media says that Rebels may have shot down the pläne. Can someone explain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 20, 2014 A don't get it. :confused: Both media says that Rebels may have shot down the pläne. Can someone explain? The german media says that Separatists have shot down the plane while RT merely sais that Ukraine militia did it, implying that it wasn´t the separatists but some Ukrainian guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danil-ch 165 Posted October 20, 2014 The german media says that Separatists have shot down the plane while RT merely sais that Ukraine militia did it, implying that it wasn´t the separatists but some Ukrainian guys.Aren't RT always calls them "The Ukranian militia"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 20, 2014 Aren't RT always calls them "The Ukranian militia"? Only when they do something bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Almost five months since Ukraine paratroopers retook the airport.RT's take on the Spiegel story. http://i.imgur.com/kdPJilDl.jpg It is always good if you check additional reports from other sources, at first I was aswell irritated about "ukrainian militia". The reasons is that our own media isnt calling them by their own name that often, instead they say "seperatists". Anyway, I did check wikipedia and actually the seperatist fighers are called "militia" - the Donbass Peoples Militia was the official name. On german wikipedia the name is actually "Volksmiliz (Ukraine)". wiki: The militia was accused by the Ukrainian government of culpability in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on 17 July 2014, though this claim is unproven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Armed_Forces_of_Novorossiya But yeah, RT has sometimes interesting articles or videos about toppics you find only after a hard search in other medias but at the end its better to compare with other sources. Edited October 20, 2014 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beastcat 14 Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) So a few days ago Tochka-Us have been spotted in Russia moving to the border and now they might have used them, but that is super unconfirmed, we just have an explosion photo. If there werent so many plateaus, geolocating would be much easier. Edited October 20, 2014 by beastcat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xalteva 10 Posted October 20, 2014 The german media says that Separatists have shot down the plane while RT merely sais that Ukraine militia did it, implying that it wasn´t the separatists but some Ukrainian guys. And i say there was no plane at all ! i nominate that for the biggest lie of this year ... when you take a look to the explosion video (no plane falling from the sky) and the way those debris were put wiithout impact points (russian AA missile have a layer of steel balls) ,the passports intact ! besides the malaysian plane that mysteriously disappeared and reappeared in Ukraine ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted October 20, 2014 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0Ye6ApCAAAnHJv.jpgSo a few days ago Tochka-Us have been spotted in Russia moving to the border and now they might have used them, but that is super unconfirmed, we just have an explosion photo. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0YS97kIgAAEoG7.jpg If there werent so many plateaus, geolocating would be much easier. Well the tochka system is actually a perfect weapon to get rid of stubborn defensive positions but I´m not sure if Russia would give those things to anybody.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted October 20, 2014 Well the tochka system is actually a perfect weapon to get rid of stubborn defensive positions but I´m not sure if Russia would give those things to anybody.... And it's quite "hardcore" IMO... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surpher 1 Posted October 20, 2014 This is what exploded Ministry of Defense Chemical Factory (Donetsk) also got hit on saturday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
