European Union (Fictional - ArmA III Setting)

[dead kennedy 124]

While the superpowers section of the corps uses small 4-man squads and tight, 16-man platoons the other faction (again, inspired by Russia) supports a more conglomerated, "EVERYONE SHOOT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!!" structure.

Sounds little strange, because IRL Russian units from squad to brigade has smaller structure than US/UK/DE ones.

Eight personel in the rifle squad in the RF vs twelve in the US squad, for example. Three squads in Russian pltn. and four squads - in the US one, three platoons in a Russian company vs four - in American/German. And so on up to three battalions in the RF brigade and four - in the classic scheme of our colleagues :lookaround:

Edited October 25, 2013 by Dead Kennedy

[Corvinus 35]

And so on up to three battalions in the RF brigade:

Four battalions, actually. And that without counting artillery "divizions" etc.

[dead kennedy 124]

Four battalions, actually.

Three motorifle btns. and one tank btn., thanks for the correction.

The tank battalion consists of three tank companies of three tank platoons for each, and there's only 3 tanks in the platoon. Again, US-EU scheme consist of four elements on each level.

counting artillery "divizions" etc.

- two artillery divisions of self-propelled 152 mm guns (36 cannons).

- one rocket artillery division of "Grads" or a something same (18 vehicles).

- one AT "artillery" division armed with self-propelled and man-held ATGMs in fact.

- one SAM "artillery" division of the "Tunguskas", if there is "Shilkas" - then this is an "anti-air artillery" division.

The NATO brigade does not realy have so much "artillery", but they simply don't have a habit to call the SAM and ATGM units as "artillery" ones :))

So, the Russian brigade is smaller than NATO one in any dimensions.

Edited October 26, 2013 by Dead Kennedy

[mistyronin 1181]

So, the Russian brigade is smaller than NATO one in any dimensions.

As far as I know, if I'm not wrong, Russian doctrine is to have lots of strategic mobility and NATO is to have tactical agility.

[Mindsculptor 10]

If you want an original service rifle, take a look at the bullpup version of the Polish MSBS rifle. The reason I suggest it is because it looks a little like a mix of the FAMAS, AUG, and L85.

As for tanks, take a look around devianart, there are tons of fictional German tanks. Rheinmetal already supplies all the guns for the major Euro MBTs anyway, so it's a safe bet a unified Euro army would go German for its armor.

---------- Post added at 21:28 ---------- Previous post was at 21:26 ----------

As far as I know, if I'm not wrong, Russian doctrine is to have lots of strategic mobility and NATO is to have tactical agility.

Not so much tactical agility as the ability for units at the tactical level to make independent decisions. There's an old quip from the Cold War than an American sergeant has more power than a Soviet colonel.

[Vestly 10]

Not so much tactical agility as the ability for units at the tactical level to make independent decisions. There's an old quip from the Cold War than an American sergeant has more power than a Soviet colonel.

This is BS. There were a several fake rumors , like Soviet generals just follow olders or Soviet soldiers dont want to fight but they have to ,etc. Generals told these things to soldiers so they will have bigger morale in fight .after Cold war , they found out , that it wasnt truth.

[Mindsculptor 10]

This is BS. There were a several fake rumors , like Soviet generals just follow olders or Soviet soldiers dont want to fight but they have to ,etc. Generals told these things to soldiers so they will have bigger morale in fight .after Cold war, they found out, that it wasnt truth.

Um, no, it's not. A Soviet colonel could not make a change on the fly to a plan from higher command, could not even make a plan without higher command's approval. American NCOs can and do readily do both, in the field, and are often commended for it.

[zervostyrd 10]

This is BS. There were a several fake rumors , like Soviet generals just follow olders or Soviet soldiers dont want to fight but they have to ,etc. Generals told these things to soldiers so they will have bigger morale in fight .after Cold war , they found out , that it wasnt truth.

Yes it is BS, Soviet command structure DID allow for tactical desicion making, the whole "Rigid command structure, Red tide-swarm-meat grinder-tactics" are a lie and a propaganda move to make the Soviets look cold and without mercy, and to "comfort" friendly troops and NCOs that the Soviets couldn't do tactical stuffs at all. The Higher ups in NATO of course knew better, but what they told everyone else have of course been imprinted in everyones mind. Hence the Stereotypes.

[bars91 956]

Just FYI - MG36 was never adopted and was just a standart G36 with "balls" (100rnd dual drum mag).

The image of "MG36" you got is an airsoft AEG G36 with "balls".

[jinzor 31]

Just FYI - MG36 was never adopted and was just a standart G36 with "balls" (100rnd dual drum mag).

The image of "MG36" you got is an airsoft AEG G36 with "balls".

Ah, thanks for the info and spotting that error. As you're probably aware, I'm not an expert on weapons, I'm just interested in looking to create cool-looking models/textures etc and getting them to work in a game engine in order to satisfy my desire to make a game, that I immensely enjoy, better/bigger and to enhance my 3D skills.

This semester of university is almost over, just need 2 more weeks and then I a have free time. However, I am also thinking of holding off from starting anything until the new BI Tools are released (is it next month?).

I've also decided, after a bit of thinking, to have the European Union belong to the green faction. You may think "what the hell, but most countries within the current EU are a part of NATO (e.g. France, United Kingdom, Germany, etc), have had a long history of friendship and the EU are on friendly terms with NATO/America! Right?! ... Righ-", let's just say that the times within the Armaverse are changing. I'm not saying that the EU are at war with NATO/America or anything, that'd be ludicrous, but they're not as friendly as they used to be. How bitter do you think the Europeans would feel towards the USA after all of this economic failure which could be perceived to be the USA's fault? Or the fact that the USA are pulling out of Europe to focus on the Pacific (China) with CSAT on the EU's doorstep, meddling in Europe's interests in the Mediterranean, and NATO (which is now crumbling, dying) not doing anything about it?

I can imagine a sort of mistrust being developed between the two, you can even see it today with the US spying allegations on EU offices/embassies/leader's phones. This could develop a cool little scenario which could pit NATO remnants/the USA against the EU in a scenario someone may make, or an accidental skirmish between the two. It can also leave them neutral/friendly to BLUFOR during a scenario as well if somebody wants them working together, like old times. There's more freedom in what you can do with the EU if they're on the green faction.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-13-1166_en.htm

Also, recently, the AAF faction have been given three vehicles which were what I had planned to include into the European Union faction, especially the Leopard Revolution MBT (images below). Most, if not all, equipment used by the AAF are European as well. Maybe the AAF are/were backed by EU nations, and provided with all of this equipment before they started hostilities against NATO in the ArmA III campaign? Or maybe they were backed by the EU all along, and CSAT came in while both NATO/AAF were weak (this is going a stretch too far, BI have their own story up their sleeve, but before the second/third episodes are released we can suggest whatever we want)? Maybe the EU faction would use roughly the same type of equipment as the AAF?

https://community.bistudio.com/wikidata/images/8/8f/Arma3_CfgVehicles_I_MBT_03_cannon_F.jpg

https://community.bistudio.com/wikidata/images/5/57/Arma3_CfgVehicles_I_APC_tracked_03_cannon_F.jpg

https://community.bistudio.com/wikidata/images/c/c4/Arma3_CfgVehicles_I_Heli_light_03_F.jpg

Of course, I wouldn't want the EU to use all of the AAF's equipment, that'd be boring. Instead, I propose to use some of it:

• APCs (one British/one Czech)

• Tank (German)

• Helicopters (British)

• Ammunition Types (e.g. G36, 5.58mm. Glock 21, .45 ACP)

• Combat Fatigues (NOT the vest/helmet/backpack (except for maybe the Pilot/Crewman), just the clothes underneath. This will save me time. I want the vest/backpack/helmet to be totally unique for the infantry, fitting the FELIN-systems style)

• MP7 (German)

• Drones

So that leaves the jet, sniper rifles, cars, transports/supports, and lots of weapons which are unique to the EU and not used by the AAF (preferably higher tech than AAF's, to show that the EU are more advanced than their AAF counterparts).

As for the camouflage, I wanted to use a pattern which distinguishes itself from the plain NATO/digital AAF/hexagonal CSAT, so I have decided to use the splinter pattern, like the current Swedish M90 camouflage. The pattern also derives from an earlier German camo pattern, named the "Splittertarnmuster", stopped in 1944. It fits well with the vehicles/weapons/blue European flag/digital AAF/hexagonal CSAT/futuristic atmosphere as well, I believe. Examples below.

http://kpnv.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/swedish-m90-pattern.png?w=460&h=517

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8168/swedishhkp15resize2ko.jpg

http://hushkit.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/m90-uniform.jpg

http://domhyde.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/sweden03.jpg

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/6.jpg

Edited December 2, 2013 by Jinzor

[mistyronin 1181]

This semester of university is almost over, just need 2 more weeks and then I a have free time. However, I am also thinking of holding off from starting anything until the new BI Tools are released (is it next month?).

BI Tools were released last week.

Also, recently, the AAF faction have been given three vehicles which were what I had planned to include into the European Union faction, especially the Leopard Revolution MBT.

Well IMO, the AAF helicopters ( the Mohawk is a mixture of NH90 and the Merlin; and the Lynx is used in diff EU countries ) and the Leopard would be basic in a European Army. The Patria APC ( now in NATO ) it seems that will be expanded quite much around Europe. So it has been a real gift from BI :)

An splinter patern like the swedish or norwegian, as you proposed would be awesome. And of course I'm a huge fan of the G36 rifle :)

[RabidStoat 39]

Splinter camo works - CRTG use a greyscale splinter in the campaign after all.

[jinzor 31]

BI Tools were released last week.

Oh damn, I'm sorry. I didn't realise they were released already, I thought I read that they were getting ready to release them when I was skimming through that SPOTREP explaining it. I'll get to work on it on the 13th December then.

Splinter camo works - CRTG use a greyscale splinter in the campaign after all.

That is a massive, great coincidence which I didn't think of. Makes total sense to use it since the British use it.

[barakokula31 10]

That is a massive, great coincidence which I didn't think of. Makes total sense to use it since the British use it.

Actually the CTRG use some kind of triangular pattern, IIRC.

[AveryTheKitty 2626]

Actually the CTRG use some kind of triangular pattern, IIRC.

Yeah, it's Dazzle Camo.

[jinzor 31]

Nevermind then, I didn't check to see if the camos were the same, I just took RabidStoat's word for it.

[RabidStoat 39]

Ok, they aren't identical - but they have a similar effect. CRTG just comes off as a more monochrome version of it until you look closely

[ch27 10]

Awesome idea! Make sure to include Ireland. They are also in the European Union and they have a cool military.

[slatts 1978]

Awesome idea! Make sure to include Ireland. They are also in the European Union and they have a cool military.

I got our fair isle some 2035 ideas on paper ;)

[mistyronin 1181]

Awesome idea! Make sure to include Ireland. They are also in the European Union and they have a cool military.

He is working in a supranational army with troops from all the EU countries, but sharing uniform and equipment.

[ch27 10]

I got our fair isle some 2035 ideas on paper ;)

Awesome! Can't wait.

[kdk11 1]

and I've been interested in the idea of creating a mod to fit with ArmA III's setting (near-future (2035), Europe in economic troubles, facing increased isolation from the United States (i.e. they're pulling out a lot of their military from Europe to focus on the Pacific. This is because the USA are in roughly the same boat economically and can't afford to look after Europe as much as it used to.

Can't afford to look after Europe as much as it used to... Is this part supposed to be real or just for your mission? Because what I see and what I have seen is that it is indeed us (Europe) the UK, France, Holland etc who have been helping the US fight its latest wars.

Check the list below, it is a list of all the participants in Operation Enduring Freedom and am sure you can see the european countries that would make up this "euro forces".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_Operation_Enduring_Freedom

[jinzor 31]

Can't afford to look after Europe as much as it used to... Is this part supposed to be real or just for your mission? Because what I see and what I have seen is that it is indeed us (Europe) the UK, France, Holland etc who have been helping the US fight its latest wars.

Check the list below, it is a list of all the participants in Operation Enduring Freedom and am sure you can see the european countries that would make up this "euro forces".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_Operation_Enduring_Freedom

Yes I meant that to be real, but I was referring specifically to the Cold War (At its peak in 1953, the U.S. had approximately 450,000 troops in Europe operating across 1,200 sites. Today, only 64,000 U.S. troops remain permanently based in Europe, and the number of sites has been reduced by 85 percent from the Cold War high (what I said before was very, very brief and not very clear, so I understand why you pointed that out)). Nower days Europe doesn't need as much protection since the Soviet Union is no longer a threat and European nations are starting to secure themselves rather than rely on US support.

In my scenario, there is hardly any US presence in Europe, leaving Europe to have to focus more on their security. This therefore creates a supranational European military not related to NATO (NATO is a shadow of its former self in ArmA III's story, hinting that it will be disbanded), under the authority of a more federal European Union (not 100% federal, but in comparison to the state of the EU today, it is more so).

Cold War - US Protection

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_Doctrine - US preventing Greece/Turkey from falling into the Soviet sphere of influence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_plan - Economically rebuilding Western European countries after World War II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Europe

European Union Military Concept

http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2012/10/30/should-we-have-a-european-army/#.UpyyVI1hpjI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronised_Armed_Forces_Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Europe

Edited December 2, 2013 by Jinzor

[jinzor 31]

Alright, so I've been working on the thing on and off for about 2 weeks now, didn't do it 24/7 because I had some work to do for yesterday during the holidays. One of the things I've been doing is just retexturing the AAF main clothes for the first European infantry unit (there will be an original model for the vest and helmet. The first vest I'll be doing for the first European unit will be in the same style as the jacket that the FELIN system uses, and the helmet will be original (my own concept, taking some liberties, like the CSAT helmet. I don't want another ECH-looking helmet, the soldiers have to have their own feel)). I've almost finished the retexture, but I was wondering what the flag patches should look like.

Right

Left

This is supposed to be a fictional supranational organisation under the control of the European Union, 2035. So, should it be like this? Just one flag/patch (EU flag)?

http://www.eda.europa.eu/images/default-album/eufor-tchad.jpg?sfvrsn=0.4062055228278041

Or like this? An EU flag/patch with another nation's flag next to it? I'm not sure I want to do this, because then I'd have to have lots of variations of soldiers; some from the UK, some from France, some from Germany, etc.

http://www.dw.de/image/0,,1415831_4,00.jpg

[mistyronin 1181]

Good to hear about this project again!

About the matter, I'd go for the european patch only, and in the other arm some unit identifier ( maybe you can inspire yourself a bit with the battlegroups seals ).