Boston Marathon: 2 bombs blow up near finish line

[JdB 151]

Anyway it wasn't really effective this time.

That's flawed reasoning, you can never stop all attacks but you can minimize the effectiveness of terror cells and contain the attack if it does succeed. Who knows how many terrorists have been caught or deterred between 911 and Boston through the use of specialists without the public being aware of it. Whether they were contractors or government employees would sadly have made no difference.

[ProfTournesol 956]

That's flawed reasoning, you can never stop all attacks but you can minimize the effectiveness of terror cells and contain the attack if it does succeed. Who knows how many terrorists have been caught between 911 and Boston through the use of specialists without the public being aware of it.

Well, i'm all for gathering info and using infiltrated agents, but using people dressed like PMC in the streets is just useless, such as French soldiers patrolling in the airports, railway stations or touristic streets in France.

[JdB 151]

Well, i'm all for gathering info and using infiltrated agents, but using people dressed like PMC in the streets is just useless, such as French soldiers patrolling in the airports, railway stations or touristic streets in France.

That's more of a means to let the public know that the government is actively working on security (even if walking into an infantry patrol in the center of Paris is a bit strange :p ) as well as a deterrant rather than an active countermeasure. Those you wouldn't be able to distinguish from the general population.

[mrcash2009 0]

Seeing a few people with the same (or similar) clothes and a few caps all publicly available to buy obviously can't be anything other than the presence of special forces or hired guns. That people as mundaine as mallcops also wear identical clothing and try to look tough through their clothing is of course swept aside in favor of the spectacular "truth" and "revelations".

Then shouldn't they be pulled in for questioning for looking a bit dodgy at an event? Would you not say so if this was true? With ear peace & communication's gear watching people and then talking to FBI later, identical large backpacks and so on? Did you really look at the images? Or did you react to the conclusions of the sites they are from?

In the same token some innocent member of the race and the event stood wearing a standard backpack and casual gear like most people was plastered in the news papers as a potential murderer, see the pattern yet?

Yep, a lot of states only require a license plate on either the front or the back of the vehicle. Saying that it's proof of a black-op shows just how much these people actually know about the matter they are claiming to know the one and only truth on. Oh no a 1994 Ford Fiesta with no license plate on the front just drove by my house with a Delta Force guy dressed up as a granny, the NWO is coming for me! :o

Why would they use contractors instead of people from agencies that are already working for them? Never really understood the logic behind that ...

Oddly enough that is the open question form many people, people just want to know, but no one will answer. These "show of force" big foot images so called, shows the direct presence of such forces, bomb sniffers, bomb squad and the roof spotters, they are all right near one of the bomb locations and were there prior to both ends, so rather than poo pooing everything with the conspiracy badge, you might start to look at how shit the security has been instead, there is a middle ground to this, everyone just seems to want to go one extreme to the other, which is cheap and easy.

Initially it was like a disease to comment on this and those images, they do infact speak for themselves. But now as soon as they are acknowledged and confirmed once the dust has settled so to speak, more defenders fly in to explain away very important questions.

Its there particular locations that are important.

Edited April 20, 2013 by mrcash2009

[GRS 10]

Right, because the big bad PMC outfit would wear uniforms clearly IDing themselves while carrying out this black flag op.... -_-

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

@mrcash

They are contractors from Craft International which offers training services.

If you would like to know specifically what they were doing - email them and ask?:

http://www.thecraft.com/contact.html

When you find out they were hired personally by Obama to kill people I would like to know, till then knock off the Conspiritard stuff please, it's getting boring.

[JdB 151]

In the same token some innocent member of the race and the event stood wearing a standard backpack and casual gear like most people was plastered in the news papers as a potential murderer, see the pattern yet?

Journalistic standards are a joke anyway, just look at the new standard CNN set for reporting in the last few days. It's all about shouting something, anything, to get the viewer to keep the TV on and watching the commercial breaks.

Oddly enough that is the open question form many people, people just want to know, but no one will answer. These "show of force" big foot images so called, shows the direct presence of such forces, bomb sniffers, bomb squad and the roof spotters, they are all right near one of the bomb locations and were there prior to both ends, so rather than poo pooing everything with the conspiracy badge, you might start to look at how shit the security has been instead, there is a middle ground to this, everyone just seems to want to go one extreme to the other, which is cheap and easy.

I don't expect the various agencies to explain their methods in public let alone in any detail, so that will remain largely an open question for obvious reasons. Of course on a sidenote that will provide the perfect reasoning for conspiracy theorists. Not talking = plot against freedom. Security was likely just as good as at any other event of this size, or better depending on whether or not the other measures that may or may not be standard practice are now so "obvious" because people actually looked for them because two people got through and the attack succeeded. No actual mistakes at any level are needed for an attack to succeed. The only way to reduce the chances of a succesful attack further would be security gates, checking bags (/dissallowing them) and random frisking of those attending. Many more people would have been up in arms if that had been done without any (attempt at an) attack materializing. Accusations of being a police state, invasion of privacy etc.

The bombing happened near the finish line. That seems to me like a logical place to carry out an attack, just like narrow streets, corners, construction work and congestion are logical situations to carry out an ambush, or a venue visited by a high level official are likely places to attract assassins. Start and finish for marathons are likely points of attack and a celebrity runner is at a higher risk throughout the entire course. It's all pretty logical stuff rather than rocket science. The lack of manpower to secure an entire route means choosing logical places where from experiences in the past trouble is more likely.

Edited April 20, 2013 by JdB

[slatts 1978]

They're just some nut jobs who sadly slipped through the net who are now finished. No false flag ops, no spooky boogy men behind it. It's as simple as that.

[da12thMonkey 1943]

The blokes in the khaki trousers and black tops aren't contractors at all, they're members of the National Guard Civil Support Team - military units tasked with liaising with civilian emergency services in the event of CBRN attack.

There are pics around on the net of blokes wearing the same kit in their marked CST jackets/body-armour

Makes complete sense for a CST to be deployed to a large-scale public event and for them to have even more blokes on stand-by to attend in the event of a security threat.

[purepassion 22]

Then shouldn't they be pulled in for questioning for looking a bit dodgy at an event? Would you not say so if this was true? With ear peace & communication's gear watching people and then talking to FBI later, identical large backpacks and so on?

Well since they definitely had contact with law enforcement agencies, I don't think those agencies have to ask them what they were doing and why they were looking "dodgy" :D

In the same token some innocent member of the race and the event stood wearing a standard backpack and casual gear like most people was plastered in the news papers as a potential murderer, see the pattern yet?

What pattern? Those are inncocent people that were the result of regular people online who were looking for someone wearing these kinds of backpacks. Since the sources became so poular, uninformed journalists picked them up.

Its there particular locations that are important.

JDB very well pointed out that these were strategic locations and thus, it's nothing special to see more security personel there :)

The blokes in the khaki trousers and black tops aren't contractors at all, they're members of the National Guard Civil Support Team - military units tasked with liaising with civilian emergency services in the event of CBRN attack.

There are pics around on the net of blokes wearing the same kit in their marked CST jackets/body-armour

http://media2.intoday.in/indiatoday/images/stories/boston_bombing_350_041613082545.jpg

Makes complete sense for a CST to be deployed to a large-scale public event and for them to have even more blokes on stand-by to attend in the event of a security threat.

Well done! See, all we had before was a bunch of pictures without ever seeing their backs and basing opinions on a single hat that is commercially available. Doing that is very dangerous and can quickly lead to far-fetched conclusions. But still the question is not yet solved who these people exactly are but none of us is in a position atm to give a definite answer so it's pointless arguing about it.

[Smurf 12]

Damn...

http://imageshack.us/a/img21/2805/b1314388279.jpg

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?225574-Today-s-Photos-Friday-April-19th-2013&p=6669382&viewfull=1#post6669382

[oxmox 73]

Its great that they got the 2nd bomber in such a short time, but the media hype was a little too excessive for this incident. Not even the killing of Osama Bin Laden, after searching ten years for him, had such a detailed media coverage.

Anyway, curios what they will find out and if really only the two young people are behind this mess.

[ak1287 1]

Anyway, curios what they will find out and if really only the two young people are behind this mess.

I'm thinking they were.

They were obviously deluded enough to think they were part of something larger, and that may manifest itself as an association with a particular group (i.e Chechen rebel groups, etc.), but they were disorganized enough for me to think that they didn't have a support structure in place. It's possible that they THINK they are part of a larger group or movement, but I don't think they actually are.

[purepassion 22]

Hmm I reckon they were radicalized by a group of others and then also recieved support/training and financial aid from them. But still more of a "independent" terror cell and not a actual substitute of a larger network

[ak1287 1]

Hmm I reckon they were radicalized by a group of others and then also recieved support/training and financial aid from them. But still more of a "independent" terror cell and not a actual substitute of a larger network

Rudimentary training is likely. Support isn't, if only because they would have been gone almost immediately after the bombing. But effectively they could, and probably were, at one time associated with a militarized fringe group, but I don't think they're members, and I'm more inclined to believe that this act was committed independent of any cell or group.

[purepassion 22]

Support was rather meant as in "mental" support such as reassuring them "You are doing the right thing. We will be proud. You are heroes. You will be rewarded etc" from likeminded individuals and not ressources like explosives o.s.

My idea about money comes from these pictures. Here's the cached profile picture from the twitter account from where the second image is from.

And for anyone still wondering who those tacticool looking guys with their suspicious backpacks were, read here.

Edited April 20, 2013 by PurePassion

[Ranwer135 308]

UPDATE: The 2nd suspect has been arrested and is being charged for terrorism.

LINK for details:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2013/04/20/09/25/shots-fired-in-boston

Finaly the terrorist has been captured, HOORAY!

RANWER

[ak1287 1]

Support was rather meant as in "mental" support such as reassuring them "You are doing the right thing. We will be proud. You are heroes. You will be rewarded etc" from likeminded individuals and not ressources like explosives o.s.

My idea about money comes from these pictures. Here's the cached profile picture from the twitter account from where the second image is from.

And for anyone still wondering who those tacticool looking guys with their suspicious backpacks were, read here.

Okay, then you're correct. They definitely received moral support.

The money is an interesting idea, and one that I go back and forth on.

Oh, and anyone with some half-brained conspiracy theory is obviously so out of touch they should probably be locked in a padded room.

Also, I fail to see what's terrifying about police in body armor and helmets; both of those are purely defensive. I've never seen a helmet that shot rockets. It protects your head, and it actually barely does that. Should police not be allowed to limit potential damage to themselves?

[purepassion 22]

Yeah, here's a FLIR picture of him hiding in the boat where he was in after the resident noticed blood on it

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

^ Proof - 'Up shit creek without a paddle' really does happen!

[mrcash2009 0]

The bombing happened near the finish line. That seems to me like a logical place to carry out an attack, just like narrow streets, corners, construction work and congestion are logical situations to carry out an ambush, or a venue visited by a high level official are likely places to attract assassins. Start and finish for marathons are likely points of attack and a celebrity runner is at a higher risk throughout the entire course. It's all pretty logical stuff rather than rocket science. The lack of manpower to secure an entire route means choosing logical places where from experiences in the past trouble is more likely.

Your right, and they certainly knew this and were in the right place at the right time using similar logic as its been stated, but these two apparent fools still got through, and who exactly knows what orders they were given to be at a higher level of support even with contractors. Also not talking isnt a conspiracy by any means no, but no acknowledgement what so ever and also black out in terms of at least confirmation of existence with the photo evidence for all to see is certainly a chin stroker.

Lets face it if it wasn't for "those" sites and other external blogs, how many people would know or at least have knowledge of it no matter what conclusion you wanted to draw from it, full picture is a full picture.

[ak1287 1]

Your right, and they certainly knew this and were in the right place at the right time using similar logic as its been stated, but these two apparent fools still got through, and who exactly knows what orders they were given to be at a higher level of support even with contractors. Also not talking isnt a conspiracy by any means no, but no acknowledgement what so ever and also black out in terms of at least confirmation of existence with the photo evidence for all to see is certainly a chin stroker.

Lets face it if it wasn't for "those" sites and other external blogs, how many people would know or at least have knowledge of it no matter what conclusion you wanted to draw from it, full picture is a full picture.

I really hope this is a 'Devil's Advocate' situation, and you don't actually buy this conspiracy theory 'false flag' bullshit.

[mrcash2009 0]

I dont know mate, read the thread and find out, in fact re-read my post again.

Edited April 20, 2013 by mrcash2009

[ak1287 1]

I dont know mate, read the thread and find out.

I did. And I still just hope that you're playing Devil's Advocate. Because the 'evidence' that's been produced isn't really any damn good, so it would make me feel better if I thought 'Oh, he's just showing us the crazy crap that people believe.'

[mrcash2009 0]

I thought 'Oh, he's just showing us the crazy crap that people believe.'

Then you cant of read anything I posted then, or looked at things correctly, or you did with a pre conceived idea of what I was posting about im not sure, ground hog day again it seems :)

Sorry I cant make you feel better, but I thought this was a discussion forum with many views, I can post a big rainbow picture around a cat if you want, but it might be a bit wrong for this thread subject :)

Because the 'evidence' that's been produced isn't really any damn good

Produced evidence to prove what? This isn't a court scenario. Last time I checked it was images stating obvious things (that I have never placed in this thread BTW and others did which is even more of a kicker), what you conclude from it is your choice, then again I will just be repeating myself and everything is posted already.

If I have posted in this thread like a devils advocate that also suggests that there is only one way to see this, but last time I checked in this world things are never that set in stone. No one is asking about security failures, thats all the point of mine has ever been.

In fact I will spell out what I was getting at, the operatives acknowledged and all surrounding security (and all drama surrounding all of that) were in the correct logic places and the correct time doing a job directly to prevent something like this, and they failed to stop these two fools, thats worthy a question, there, I put everything I was on about in some short words. Plus the fact they were known to FBI and Russia had apparently flagged one of them up to them 2 years ago. I haven't and I am not assuming conspiracy, but then i dont also run with the media and the hollywood action TV either. I dont post to get a rise, I dont post to piss anyone off deliberately, I just frequent here and had a point of view via a forum where more often than not you get some interesting debates and I just like to see a broader view of a subject mainly.

Edited April 21, 2013 by mrcash2009