dmarkwick 261 Posted March 11, 2013 True but BIS are only in a position to pinch stuff from DayZ :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcash2009 0 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Maybe its a good example of how things are these days, the main focus of a complete open ended do as you want milsim got truncated down to a 'zombies' mission type, always found the irony strong with that one. As long as everyone gets to play how they want, since it is a sandbox game. So what if some CoD fans find their way here? So what if they enjoy playing with 3rd person and crosshairs? There is no room for elitist behaviour in this community, there is no "better" way of playing ArmA. The point of the game is that it is sandbox, and that you can play the way YOU want. But some of the changes made to arma3 v arma2 and some of the request so far for Alpha (jumping,melee ... etc) updates means some of us might not have what we already wanted, you see? I say stick all the COD shit in DayZ, you have a standalone game coming, and milsim types have A3, no elite, just wanting to keep this thing grounded. The worry isnt the sandbox, but the core content and the sandbox pandering to play styles that isnt "milsim" per-se by people requesting all manner of crap and then blasting the word "elite" to folk who see it for what it is. This argument died a death back in Arma2/Dayz release, funny that nearly all things in A3 forums and Alpha have been said and done & requested to death months ago, this forum is just groundhog day for new folk re hashing the old arguments. Anyway, I just hope BI stick to the plan and dont waver, and mainly leave it up to modding to add anything non milsim related (IE: cull the shit for that area only) for the sandbox 'choices'. Edited March 11, 2013 by mrcash2009 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Asked to remove a private conversation. So removed. Edited March 11, 2013 by G_Rider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tortuosit 486 Posted March 11, 2013 Still keep in mind what Arma would be, if all unrealistic functions would be removed and if it had ACE builtin. Sales drop, I'm sure, and no further development. I want all sides of the coin, unrealistic and not unrealistic stuff. I don't want Arma to be dumbed down in way, that e.g. everybody has to use fast run speeds. But if dumbing down is optional, I'm perfectly fine with this. Personally, sometimes I like to play on 3rd person servers simply because I'm lazy or too much 1st person makes me feel sick somehow. SO WHAT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 Maybe its a good example of how things are these days, the main focus of a complete open ended do as you want milsim got truncated down to a 'zombies' mission type, always found the irony strong with that one.But some of the changes made to arma3 v arma2 and some of the request so far for Alpha (jumping,melee ... etc) updates means some of us might not have what we already wanted, you see? I say stick all the COD shit in DayZ, you have a standalone game coming, and milsim types have A3, no elite, just wanting to keep this thing grounded. The worry isnt the sandbox, but the core content and the sandbox pandering to play styles that isnt "milsim" per-se by people requesting all manner of crap and then blasting the word "elite" to folk who see it for what it is. This argument died a death back in Arma2/Dayz release, funny that nearly all things in A3 forums and Alpha have been said and done & requested to death months ago, this forum is just groundhog day for new folk re hashing the old arguments. Anyway, I just hope BI stick to the plan and dont waver, and mainly leave it up to modding to add anything non milsim related for the sandbox choices. I've been away for a long time and missed most of what surly was a painful period for many here. But my pain has just started as I've been away for so long now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 31 Posted March 11, 2013 belittling sarcasm misidentified as insults and trolling.[/b] "Belittling sarcasm" is as unwelcome here, is as contrary to the rules here as insults and trolling so I would suggest you put a stop to it right away please, your general tone and attitude in this thread is extremely disappointing and if this is what the community has to learn from their "veteran" brethren I say we should welcome the "noobs" with open arms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcash2009 0 Posted March 11, 2013 G-Rider, its up to BI to keep a balance in the end outside of the noise of requests and banter. As I say gank & loot really are mission types an modes, and (fingers crossed) this shall all stay the same as tag on options built around the core of the milsim. If it didnt then we would be saying that BI has completely lost the plot, and I dont believe we are at that stage yet :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 "Belittling sarcasm" is as unwelcome here, is as contrary to the rules here as insults and trolling so I would suggest you put a stop to it right away please, your general tone and attitude in this thread is extremely disappointing and if this is what the community has to learn from their "veteran" brethren I say we should welcome the "noobs" with open arms..Point taken. In fairness the thread (full of sarcasm and belittling) was directed at BIS not the community. And when I was told to stop I did. You're a bit late on that. ---------- Post added at 07:29 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:18 AM ---------- I say we should welcome the "noobs" with open arms. I would say don't use open arms but take them under your wing so they aren't forever stuck as a cadet from coddling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winfernal 2 Posted March 11, 2013 .I would say don't use open arms but take them under your wing so they aren't forever stuck as a cadet from coddling. This is a very good point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 G-Rider, its up to BI to keep a balance in the end outside of the noise of requests and banter. As I say gank & loot really are mission types an modes, and (fingers crossed) this shall all stay the same as tag on options built around the core of the milsim. If it didnt then we would be saying that BI has completely lost the plot, and I dont believe we are at that stage yet :) Well put. Actually helped. Thanks. ---------- Post added at 07:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:34 AM ---------- This is a very good point. Which for some might have lost what this thread is titled and about. In general not to anyone specific. Take it for what it's worth. I never dismissed anyone here without reason. I know I'm curt. Trying to correct me is really losing sight of what I was looking for and wasting your time. I've actually made something of myself by being curt so those projections in attempt to change my tone are not going to work on me. And frankly this thread's title should clue any of you who took the time to understand that syndrome on society what you might be in for coming in here trying any counterpoint for the sake of counterpointing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Winfernal 2 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Well put. Actually helped. Thanks.---------- Post added at 07:43 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:34 AM ---------- Which for some might have lost what this thread is titled and about. In general not to anyone specific. Take it for what it's worth. I never dismissed anyone here without reason. I know I'm curt. Trying to correct me is really losing sight of what I was looking for and wasting your time. I've actually made something of myself by being curt so those projections in attempt to change my tone are not going to work on me. And frankly this thread's title should clue any of you who took the time to understand that syndrome on society what you might be in for coming in here trying any counterpoint for the sake of counterpointing. To sum it up. Seeing this about "syndroms" and gen 0's made me flip a bit, to be honest. I'm sorry for the posts i wrote that shouldn't have posted. But they'll stay since i deal with the consequences of my actions. I do see your point, but i can't see us being at this stage yet with BI and ArmA. And sarcasm rarely work on the internet :p Edited March 11, 2013 by Winfernal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bee8190 10 Posted March 11, 2013 I would stick my neck and say this ... whats the one thing that's the elephant in the room here?I will mention it, the influx of steam/casual players, this is most evident in the requests at the moment (some very COD like expectations or BF3), and also quite a bit more evident in how those servers are being set (or not), and, if you look at youtube in the most recent week of arma3 videos, play a game of "spot the use of first person view" in the videos, needle in a haystack at some points. Good or bad, up to you, but, the pattern is most evident my dear Watson :) Im sure things will spread out more and calm a bit, and I guess the same server end when its just as always to lock into a clan server than random play. I see what you see OP but I agree with the quoted post. From my POV, one can't expect new player to the series just hop in and expect them to play uber tactical without any ingame helpers as that would frustrate them even more because as it is, many have apparently no clue what to do as it is. Let'em explore the game and as the game progress I'm sure we will see tighter server settings and hopefully recruits will be the corporals by than but they need to learn the mechanics and the game first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrcash2009 0 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) From my POV, one can't expect new player to the series just hop in and expect them to play uber tactical without any ingame helpers as that would frustrate them even more because as it is, many have apparently no clue what to do as it is. Thats called tutorials & scenarios, which came better in 2 and will come better in 3 as mentioned by BI and this community and help threads. Theres vast difference of using helpers and scenarios to familiarise someone with how the milsim operated, and changing a milsim to pander to be everything to anyone and lose its core focus. Its been said a million times in Arma2 forums, people need some tutorial help to step up to Arma it shouldn't change its core to step down otherwise that opens the flood gates to all types of unwarranted crap it doesn't need and can be catered for via mods (the sandbox part). The fine line and double edged sword of opening it up to this and then getting requests that seem more "larger audience" catered features which then stick it partially in the same functionality as "the rest of them". In regards to people using the alpha and having no clue, thats up to BI to include that training scenarios in the alpha, if not, its a 3rd generation milsim in alpha state, so you just have to tread that linear learning curve like we all did (and never hated it since or bought another game out of frustration). To me, those that stick around and dont just drop kick it as its not *compare to others* simple may as well stick with the others, as thats probably what they thought it might be or like more anyway, whoever is left will be in for life no doubt. Edited March 11, 2013 by mrcash2009 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ringoray 1 Posted March 11, 2013 Reading this thread and seeing the word Syndrome mentioned so many times is actually giving me the syndrome, syndrome. Look the word has been mentioned three times in one short sentence! Help me please!!;);) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 Reading this thread and seeing the word Syndrome mentioned so many times is actually giving me the syndrome, syndrome. Look the word has been mentioned three times in one short sentence! Help me please!!;);) You do see the irony that the inflicted of this topic syndrome needs it mentioned often as they meander from the topic.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
metalcraze 290 Posted March 11, 2013 From my POV, one can't expect new player to the series just hop in and expect them to play uber tactical without any ingame helpers as that would frustrate them even more because as it is, many have apparently no clue what to do as it is. Dunno. OFP CWC - much less helpers (no unlimited saves, perma-aiming deadzone, convoluted movement, no AI diff sliders), only great mission design. 2 mil copies sold. For a 2001 game exclusive to PC that's a great success. Something no ArmA game can beat still unless you will count A2 with DayZ sales which won't be exactly fair. They should learn the game through great captivating SP campaign design, most just skip tutorials and jump into the game and behave all clueless even with helpers because tutorials are boring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ringoray 1 Posted March 11, 2013 You do see the irony that the inflicted of this topic syndrome needs it mentioned often as they meander from the topic.... Is it a real disease? Is there medication i can take to rid me of this sy*****e? I don't want say the word again, sorry. I need to see a therapist I think;);) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Binkowski 26 Posted March 11, 2013 I guess my question would be.. why in the hell is there the giant red circle when you go into your map no matter what the difficulty is.. and why the hell are there grid coordinates on the map crosshair? Is it because people don't know how to read a map in game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 I guess my question would be.. why in the hell is there the giant red circle when you go into your map no matter what the difficulty is.. and why the hell are there grid coordinates on the map crosshair? Is it because people don't know how to read a map in game? Because these are the type of additions that you do to a military sandbox to make sure you aren't dumbing it down any.... ---------- Post added at 11:38 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:41 AM ---------- Is it a real disease? Is there medication i can take to rid me of this sy*****e? I don't want say the word again, sorry. I need to see a therapist I think;);) Unfortunately no there isn't any inoculations for a cure. The only cure known to work is regular belittling and sarcasm but frustratingly so there are fewer and fewer places where such a cure can be administered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmarkwick 261 Posted March 11, 2013 You're insisting on keeping this thread alive aren't you :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoog 18 Posted March 11, 2013 I'll ask you. When was that last time you've been on a server with no 3rd person, no cross hairs, no map icons of enemy with an authentic military mission in play? How often is that? How often? Everytime I launch Arma to be honest :) As long as you are part of an open community or a clan which suits your playstyle, you can get this gameplay any day of the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Who crashed the forums? Edited March 11, 2013 by G_Rider Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
g_rider 10 Posted March 11, 2013 How often? Everytime I launch Arma to be honest :) As long as you are part of an open community or a clan which suits your playstyle, you can get this gameplay any day of the week. Thank God where is this paradise you say exists? Because I just tried to find it by selecting a veteran difficulty server whose name was “Realism Group so and soâ€. I spawn in and open my map to read the notes and task and BAM. I'm dead. What? I close my map and see this zero doing what can best be described as bobbing over me. What the hell is that I start to ask myself when I'm shocked to see that my lifeless body is being picked over and stripped! My God I hope deviant behavior isn't modded in as I'm sure this wouldn't be the end of it....... On second thought nothing has changed or been dumbed down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayglow 2 Posted March 11, 2013 Public servers have always been crappy in pretty much every game. If you desire a deep tatical experience you need to join a group of like minded individuals. No different than expecting to find a good pickup game at the Y. Most suck and you need to join a league for any decent organized competition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted March 11, 2013 (edited) Public servers have always been crappy in pretty much every game. If you desire a deep tatical experience you need to join a group of like minded individuals. No different than expecting to find a good pickup game at the Y. Most suck and you need to join a league for any decent organized competition. QFT Play with a group of friends, Clan etc and forget public servers in any game these days. They are rife with cheaters, pwn kiddies and downright wankers. I've given up on playing PvP (BF3 etc) because it's always the same - some guy with a stupid name (Ir0x0rj00l4m3n00b for example) with 70/1 claiming he is 'just good' and we are all crap F**k that deal, I just play with my little group and no worries. Edited March 11, 2013 by BangTail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites