Why don't the ai attack helis'?...

[BoonieRat 0]

Not to mention RPG's,Sagot's & Strela's!!...

I don't understand why only the Shilka ever attacks you in Helicopter missions. why dont you get any small arms fire?. even when in close?. under200metres is the range for small arms attack for AI is'nt it?.

[bn880 5]

Well this has been discussed on this forum in depth before.

The argument was that there would be no damage to the heli, so the enemy wouldn't be so 'stupid' as to reveal their locations with Ak's etc.

My take is that you do get small arms fire in any heli in real life. Ppl will even try handguns if they are in a larger group that engages the heli. And it is effective, you will shit your pants while evading fire at the least.( all this assumes the range is short )

Ideally I would like less skilled soldiers to try and engage helis with any possible weapon.

Even so, I am too busy enjoying Resistance improvements to 'demand' this be improved.

[Harnu 0]

Strela's will shoot you. If you are low enough, like under 3 or 4 m you will take small arms. Trying to hit a chopper with RPG's is hard. It's been done (by humans) but Ai i'm not sure.

[BoonieRat 0]

you think they'd return fire when you shoot at them.

I've hovered 1metre off the ground and shot the sh#t out of the spetznas who was gonna execute me in the escape mission. no return fire. i even landed ran out and got a gun!. the only time i took fire was when i got out.

I love the heli missions but they're just too easy!.

I'm pretty sure the AI could hit a heli with an RPG. they dont have too much trouble with the tanks!.

I cant run Resistance at the mo'. i keep getting CTD's(no error) an HL's. when i install it. shame cause the new weapon sounds are good...

[Benze 0]

Shooting down a chopper with an RPG is VERY HARD. It took me at least 20 tries in Motignac Must Fall. Even then, I saved the Blackhawk from the Hind, but it just crumpeled up and died for no reason. So it's usually scripted too.

In Blackhawk down, understand that Blackhawks were flying relatively low and slow over the city, and that hundreads of RPGs were launched.

[Major Fubar 0]

I agree, would like to see the AI taking potshots with whatever is available when threatened by a chopper: rifles, MGs, RPGs etc.

It must be something that is set in the vehicle desciption, because they sure as shit shoot at you when you are in a Cessna.

Is there a way to overcome this with scripting?

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Moving to General Discussion.

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

AI also tries to shoot down SU25/A-10. In Laser mission, Resistance single mission, when I called A-10 to take out the bridge I heard BMP's and soldiers trying to take out it with machine guns & small arms. Also if you fly too low with Apache or Cobra, the enemy machine guns & tanks will shoot at you.

[hashrat 0]

i dont know if its just a new thing in resistance but when i set up a chopper assault mission on a russian base the BMP opened fire on the choppers

on a later mission everyone with a machine gun pk/m60 and all vehicles opened up on my chopper

no one with small arms bothers but at leat the tanks etc engage

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

AFAIK West choppers all have breakable glass, thus making MGs & small arms effective against them if you shoot into cockpit. That's why I think AI always tries to shoot you down with MG fire when your in West chopper. But since East choppers don't have breakable glass, AI won't even try to shoot them down with MGs.

[digitalcenturion 20]

I think it is something in the units config.cpp file cuz certain units are engaged and others not, for example in AronAshes realism update all choppes except the Apache and Hind get fired upon with tank MGs i think not sure was a while since i played around with...

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Benze @ July 10 2002,14:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Shooting down a chopper with an RPG is VERY HARD. It took me at least 20 tries in Motignac Must Fall. Even then, I saved the Blackhawk from the Hind, but it just crumpeled up and died for no reason. So it's usually scripted too.

In Blackhawk down, understand that Blackhawks were flying relatively low and slow over the city, and that hundreads of RPGs were launched.<span id='postcolor'>

Well I don't know, in OFP I can take out a chopper with an RPG quite easily (except when they are at full speed, highest skill pilots, rapidly changing directions)... lot's of practice on my MP Battlefield.

In real life it would be much harder, you can't get as much practice.

Either way, at some point (low,slow etc) all AI should open fire on a chopper, to make it real.

[Prof.Wizard 0]

BMP-2s and M2s will attack a low flying heli. They both sport quick-firing cannons. BMP-1s will not attack a helicopter.

I suggest in a future patch/update to add the following changes:

-RPG/AT soldiers attack helicopters if less than 100-150m and hovering.

-All tanks fire their MGs on helicopters.

-Fixed AA-guns in villages, manned by soldiers as the fixed MGs.

[Kermit 0]

Add "make all helicopters have breakable glass" to Professor Wizard's list.

Since the Hind and others have bullet-"proof" glass, perhaps they should only be penetrable by heavier calibers, such as three-oh-eight and fifty caliber.

[EBass 0]

Well certainly sometimes the enemies take potshots at helis. I know Bradley APCs do so I gues BMP2s do too as they both have similar cannons. However I believe most military helicopters have undertrays that will withstand almost all small arms fire. However what I want to know is, is it possible to hit the pilot with small arms? I mean if a chopper is on the ground u can shoot the pilot and I dont think this would change for in the air but Ive never done it, has anyone?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (You_looking_at_me? @ July 13 2002,00:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well certainly sometimes the enemies take potshots at helis. I know Bradley APCs do so I gues BMP2s do too as they both have similar cannons. However I believe most military helicopters have undertrays that will withstand almost all small arms fire. However what I want to know is, is it possible to hit the pilot with small arms? I mean if a chopper is on the ground u can shoot the pilot and I dont think this would change for in the air but Ive never done it, has anyone?<span id='postcolor'>

Ive picked a few pilots out of the cockpit when Im lucky, but the Hinds cockpit is bulletproof and the Mi17s is very durable, but can be pierced. NATO choppers are like warm butter. T80s shoot at helos, T72s dont. light machine gunners (M60/PK) shoot at you, and I have had RPG gunners shoot at us. And really, choppers are vulnerable to all kinds of small arms fire. Hueys in Nam often came back filled with 250 plus bullet holes.

[cutter 0]

Boats also shoot at aircraft. At least they have shot at me. I also agree that the AI should shoot at Helo's. Maybe tie it to combat mode so when the way point is set to "stealth" they don't shoot but when set to combat then they will open fire.

Seems a small change to me.

[VMF124 Foxtrot 0]

If you have ever tryed Martins hueys, you will notice that they take fire from pretty much everything (exept AT rockets and main cannons), It makes inserting troops in areas with machine gunners and armored vehicles areas interesting and it would be really nice to see the BIS choppers take that kind of fire in the next patch. It will make you think twice before straffing that BMP . Forcing you to attack from behind trees, hills or buildings. But then the AI pilots would be in serious trouble as they have no ability to use cover or even avoid crashing into their comrads.

[BoonieRat 0]

I've shot the pilot that comes to pick you up in 'Clean~Sweep'*snicker* and tried to fly off in the chopper. that was through the windows.

but I'm starting to wonder how many of our experiences playing OFP are unique. I was reading in the missions forum about the End of 'Ambush', about Armour turning up after you finish of the Ruskies. I'd played that mission 'tens of times', and never seen Armour. so i goes back and has a look, and sure enough it turns up!.

Its probly the same with Chopper missions, Ive never been shot at!,  but if some of you say they do shoot at you I don't doubt it! ...

PS. thats a good idea Cutter.

PPS. the AI pilot usualy lasts a good while longer than me in Resistances 'Rats Nest'!! ...

[red oct 2]

well in red hammer (forgot the name of the mission) i had 0 difficulti taking a cobra out w/ a t72 sabot its really easy if your human that is to shoot them out of the sky w/ the main gun on a tank when they are fly fast and high.

[BoonieRat 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In Blackhawk down, understand that Blackhawks were flying relatively low and slow over the city, and that hundreads of RPGs were launched.<span id='postcolor'>

I'm about a quarter of the way through the book. i don't know how accurate/true to life it is,(450% more than the film probly ), but both BlackHawks took direct hits to the tail rotor, which is the intended, most vunerable part of the chopper. hundred of RPG's were fired, but I bet not alot of them at airtargets. it takes a bit of work to arrange an RPG to be airfireable. it needs a deflector welded on the back, or a pit dug to take the exaust blast away from the chap launching it. or the fuse changed to time an explosion rather than impact.

Two direct hits on the tail rotor were'nt luck. they were placed shots. it was more likely down to the inexperience of the Somalis that were shooting that there were'nt more hits . i agree it was cause they were low down. but they were still flying as eveasivly as possible, not covering the same ground in their circles and whatnot.

but thats besides the point!. I don't want the Bastids hitting me!! I just want them to shoot at me . I see theres a mod out that makes the AI fire on certain Helos'. anyone used it?. any good?.

[VMF124 Foxtrot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well in red hammer (forgot the name of the mission) i had 0 difficulti taking a cobra out w/ a t72 sabot its really easy if your human that is to shoot them out of the sky w/ the main gun on a tank when they are fly fast and high.<span id='postcolor'> Yeah, not very hard to take out choppers with tanks, due to the straight flight paths of the rounds. I did the exact same thing on that mission (called "Rear Guard" BTW). Can't put a number on the amount of times that has saved my life.

[xmurderx 0]

sometimes when a choper is droping off troops (say a foot off the ground) an enemy will shot an rpg at it. I dont think they teach soldiers of the russian army to take a shot at a choper with an rpg, but I could be wrong.

[digitalcenturion 20]

Yeah when u land they will shoot at you...

In the red hammer mission where you have to kill the american expeditionary force who land in chinooks i took out a chinook with my dragunov... it was howering so i shot some rounds into the cockpit and sure enough it started leaning to one side and finally crashed into some woods.. that was really cool brough a smile to my face