Russia and China Veto Secuirty council measures on Syria.

[ziiip 1]

The Chinese government is just as evil and corrupt as the Syrian, though the Russian's behaviour surprised me...looks like they arent any better either.

Also, excellent post JdB.

Edited February 5, 2012 by ziiip

[katipo66 94]

Syrians are dying and UN security council cannot even condemn this slaughter. This makes me sick.

I used to feel the same way about Palistine....

[-martin- 10]

All this mumbo jumbo about ex USSR nostalgia is anything else than verbiage and preaching. Syrians are dying and UN security council cannot even condemn this slaughter. This makes me sick.

Hmm saying that Assad (the president) must step down without commenting on the guerrillas who have also killed government forces doesn't seem like a very balanced condemnation to me, but rather something inclining to getting the guerrillas in to power who will then follow Western orders.

Nice to see that the people who hate America also think that Syria is perfectly entitled to massacre their own people. I knew something was wrong with those guys.

I assume that refers to me... I have no idea what you're talking about when you say that I hate America because I don't hate it nor have I ever said that I hate it so don't try this "you hate America" thing on me. In fact you might be surprised but I spent quite a large portion of my life living in America and Canada. That however doesn't stop me from disliking the politics and arrogance of some people who thing that anyone outside of America is a second class citizen of the world.

Where was the West when Czechoslovakia got occupied by Nazi Germany? Where was the West when innocent Palestinians were being murdered by Israelis? Where is the West when Israelis built illegal houses on Palestinian land?

Where was the West when Kosovo got stolen from us? Helping the enemy of course, watching as they destroy hundreds of years of our culture, as our people are forced to flee from their homes. Kosovo will never be forgiven and I will never trust your Western BS.

EDIT: I would also like to point out that if people in the West rose up like they did in Syria the governments here would make themselves perfectly entitled to massacre you too. If you don't think so then you have lot's to learn about the World.

Edited February 5, 2012 by -Martin-

[Lauxman 10]

How strategically important are Czechoslovakia or Palestine? How could the people of Palestine benefit American strategic interests more than Israel? What great things have the Balkans done for America, what charity needs to be repaid by the West?

Obviously the politicians pretend that foreign policy can accommodate charity. But in foreign policy, there are no friends, only interests. The West does things for the West's benefits, just like every single other government on the planet, and to be surprised by this is very ignorant.

[vilas 477]

All this mumbo jumbo about ex USSR nostalgia is anything else than verbiage and preaching. Syrians are dying and UN security council cannot even condemn this slaughter. This makes me sick.

since 1989 because of unemployment, poverty, privatisation and lost job, because of being homeless etc. over 30 000 people in Poland commited suicide (30% of suicides are because of economy, every year ca. 5000 people commits suicides)

does it make you sick too ? that 30 thousands people lost life because of souless capitalism, liberalism, competition that they couldn't stand (being to old to be employed, being replaced by machines, production moved to china etc), it makes me sick

How strategically important are Czechoslovakia or Palestine? How could the people of Palestine benefit American strategic interests more than Israel? What great things have the Balkans done for America, what charity needs to be repaid by the West?Obviously the politicians pretend that foreign policy can accommodate charity. But in foreign policy, there are no friends, only interests. The West does things for the West's benefits

what a souless thinking, human is important, not money , thats why we hate capitalism, cause it loves money over human life

the same way made west/US support dictators in Latin America, if you blame Russia, blame USA too, CIA supported dictators in Latin America, it is fact

Edited February 5, 2012 by vilas

[-martin- 10]

How strategically important are Czechoslovakia or Palestine? How could the people of Palestine benefit American strategic interests more than Israel? What great things have the Balkans done for America, what charity needs to be repaid by the West?

Obviously the politicians pretend that foreign policy can accommodate charity. But in foreign policy, there are no friends, only interests. The West does things for the West's benefits, just like every single other government on the planet, and to be surprised by this is very ignorant.

Thank you for getting straight to the point :smile: Now that we've established that the West doesn’t care about anything else in Syria except its own interests it becomes apparent that this whole UN condemnation, "save the innocent civilians" and all the other crap that has been said is absolutely meaningless and nobody really cares about the civilians, how many have died, live and so on nor will the West ever care...

Now moving on to my second point: Since America has never done anything for the majority of people in Czechoslovakia, Eastern Europe or the Slavic countries in the Balkans and since I personally have no interests in America or the West I don't really care about them or about what they say, therefore I remain firmly on Russia side which has done much more for me and my country then the West has ever done.

So don’t be surprised at my comments/dislike of Western policies since you’ve just answered it for your self.

I'll stay with my blood brothers, you guys can stay with your money.

Thank you :cheers:

EDIT: Excellent point Vilas.

[rangerpl 13]

You mean like this?

-snip-

I'm glad that Russia and China didn't support this. Who is the West to choose who runs Syria? Who is the West to dictate their corporate capitalist freedom to the world? What will Syrians get from this? Nothing like we did in Czechoslovakia, they will be able to vote between a few political parties for who torments them for 4 years, and who sign laws without them knowing, maybe if they are lucky they will be able to run away to Europe like we did to the UK and do the worst jobs only to get ridiculed and laughed at.

The Syrian government has a full right to defend themselves from guerrillas (Civilians with guns that rebel against government forces are no longer civilians). And what is the West doing talking about civilian casualties, what happened with air rides on civilians in Germany during ww2, in Japan, civilian massacred in Yugoslavia and so on....

Stuff like this makes my blood boil :mad:

You are out of touch with reality.

The Syrian government brought armed troops against unarmed protesters. In what way is the US's suppression of OWS similar to that? Yes, a few people were shot but it wasn't Washington, DC's policy to bring M1 tanks out on the streets of New York like China and Syria have done.

Had it not been for the "evil West" sticking its nose into other countries' business, all of Europe would be occupied by Soviet troops today.

[-martin- 10]

You are out of touch with reality.

The Syrian government brought armed troops against unarmed protesters. In what way is the US's suppression of OWS similar to that? Yes, a few people were shot but it wasn't Washington, DC's policy to bring M1 tanks out on the streets of New York like China and Syria have done.

It wasn't yet

Had it not been for the "evil West" sticking its nose into other countries' business, all of Europe would be occupied by Soviet troops today.

And why exactly would I mind? :D My grandfather was a soldier in the Red Army, had it not been for him and the Red Army, you wouldn't be here today and probably most of the Slavic nation wouldn't be here. How about that?

Furthermore why would we mind that our brothers rule the whole of Europe? I would just sit at home, drink cognac and enjoy the victory lol. Are you Polish or what? :j:

As I said before, the West hasn't done anything for me; therefore I don't care about it. Those are the rules of the game we play.

Edited February 5, 2012 by -Martin-

[NoRailgunner 0]

vilas and -Martin- stop living in a dreamworld where everyone loves or likes the other. The real world is not the magic land of unicorns and fluffy bunnys. ;)

[Lauxman 10]

what a souless thinking, human is important, not money , thats why we hate capitalism, cause it loves money over human life

So what have the people of Syria ever done for me and my fellow humans in America?

And if you really think we're going to bring out M1 tanks on OWS protesters, you really do live in a dream world. Regardless of whether you spent a lot of time in the US or Canada, it doesn't matter. Many of the delusional leaders of terrorist organizations were also educated professionally in Western countries like Britain, America, and Canada...

[krycek 349]

I'll stay with my blood brothers, you guys can stay with your money.

Are you sure Russia did it from their bottom of good heart??Maybe they did it for the sake of being against everything US says and serbs were at the right time for them,this does't mean that I agree what US did in Kosovo.

Also you seem to forget Russia is the country where the term "free elections" it's something very abstract,civil liberties are very reduced,the opposition is arrested and jurnalists against the government are "warned" or they have accidents(hint Politkovskaya).If we're talking about rich&poor maybe we should also take a look how the few (oligarhs) lead the masses(poor) and how middle class is very reduced.

I respect your opinion that you don't give a crap about west policies but please don't try to paint the ruskies as something good.

I'm just like you from Eastern Europe and I'm fed up about how much shit "Motherland" did in this part of the world in it's golden days.I hope I never woke up in a world where Russia and China are the only power players because then even being able to leave your apartment would be considered a privilege.

[-martin- 10]

So what have the people of Syria ever done for me and my fellow humans in America?

And if you really think we're going to bring out M1 tanks on OWS protesters, you really do live in a dream world. Regardless of whether you spent a lot of time in the US or Canada, it doesn't matter. Many of the delusional leaders of terrorist organizations were also educated professionally in Western countries like Britain, America, and Canada...

Why exactly would prevent the government from doing it if they were on the brink of collapse, or what would they have to lose?

[Lauxman 10]

Our government is far from the brink of collapse. We're not the Balkans or Syria or Egypt, you see.

[GRS 10]

Holy arguments based on biased assumptions, batman!

[-martin- 10]

Are you sure Russia did it from their bottom of good heart??Maybe they did it for the sake of being against everything US says and serbs were at the right time for them,this does't mean that I agree what US did in Kosovo.

Also you seem to forget Russia is the country where the term "free elections" it's something very abstract,civil liberties are very reduced,the opposition is arrested and jurnalists against the government are "warned" or they have accidents(hint Politkovskaya).If we're talking about rich&poor maybe we should also take a look how the few (oligarhs) lead the masses(poor) and how middle class is very reduced.

What happened with ACTA? Who cared about your petitions and protests? Nobody. Did we vote for it? No. In Russia they hit opposition on the head; in the West they ridicule it.

Also, when were the golden days of Eastern Europe? As far as I know that was hundreds of years ago.

Our government is far from the brink of collapse. We're not the Balkans or Syria or Egypt, you see.

Mongolia fell, Rome fell, Napoleon fell, Ottomans fell, Nazi Germany fell. Soviet Union fell, you will fall. Please be patient, nothing lasts for ever, you see.

Edited February 5, 2012 by -Martin-

[GRS 10]

As much as I usually disagree with all these nuts and their "arguments", Martin's last comment is certainly right. Sad but true.

[Lauxman 10]

Mongolia fell, Rome fell, Napoleon fell, Ottomans fell, Nazi Germany fell. Soviet Union fell, you will fall. Please be patient, nothing lasts for ever, you see.

So nice to hear the writings of a terrorist wannabe.

[-martin- 10]

So nice to hear the writings of a terrorist wannabe.

Thanks :smile: You also forgot to call me a Nazi, a Communist, Paedophile, Criminal, Psychopath, Tormenter, Anti-freedom fighter, pagan... I'm sure there's something more?

You display the perfect symptoms of the Western propaganda machine. I’m just waiting till you say something like “think of the kids†:biggrin:

[Lauxman 10]

Says the guy who thinks that any minute now the US government is going to start slaughtering their own people like Syria.

Oh wait, they're all rebels and the Syrian government is perfectly legitimate.

[vilas 477]

Thanks :smile: You also forgot to call me a Nazi, a Communist, Paedophile, Criminal, Psychopath, Tormenter, Anti-freedom fighter, pagan... I'm sure there's something more?

You display the perfect symptoms of the Western propaganda machine. I’m just waiting till you say something like “think of the kids†:biggrin:

to be precise

psychopath is person who (among other characteristical things) also do not feel empathy but follows will of profit

closer to psychopatic behaviour is person who value/puts money over other human life - find it in US policy and "we have no interest" in fighting for someone, but we have interst in lying about freedom (while it is about oil )

where was empathy to people who suffered from Latin American dictators ?

where is empathy to people who lost life because of economy after 1989 ? ... talking about feelings disorders

in previous days it was called "souless" but Christianity is now pase

[-martin- 10]

Oh wait, they're all rebels and the Syrian government is perfectly legitimate.

If the puppet governments set up in Eastern Europe by the West that divide EU money amongst themselves while nearly depriving people from basic human needs such as food and accommodation is legitimate. If a government that dropped two nuclear bombs killing about 100 000 civilians is perfectly legitimate, if a government that drives on Palestinian kids with bulldozers is legitimate then in my view the Syrian government is legitimate too. Where is the difference?

[vilas 477]

difference is in hipcrysy

as i gave example of man who loves opera "how can you not love Maria Callas"

difference between civilian killed by AK and M16 is, that man killed by AK was victim, man killed by M16 had to be bad, cause "good guys" always use Colt, bad guys use Izmash ;)

and "democracy" always have to be set in places when there are other banks than those who operate here

[NoRailgunner 0]

This thread is now falling to a silly (political) dispute level.... shall we stay on topic or shall we call the master of locking keys?

[rangerpl 13]

Martin, had it not been for the capitalist west and its corrupt corporations you wouldn't have a computer to post your insanity on the internet.

[-martin- 10]

Martin, had it not been for the capitalist west and its corrupt corporations you wouldn't have a computer to post your insanity on the internet.

Why wouldn't I have a computer? You do know that the USSR also developed personal computers right? Sure they lagged behind the US quite a bit due to the circumstances that the USSR had to endure during/after ww2 but I can assure you that I would have a computer today... Eastern Europeans are some of the most inventive people on Earth, don’t worry that we would lag behind the US for long.

In communist times my family got a 3 bedroom apartment in a NEW block, in one of the nicest parts of town. My mom was an artist and my dad was an electrical engineer. In you beautiful capitalist paradise we live in a 1 bedroom flat in some shitty block with piss in the lift every morning, bums sleeping on the stairs, my mom sells sandwiches and my dad is a cleaner.

What I'm trying to do at the moment is somehow get through university which is insanely expensive now (was free in communism) by working like a fool in some crappy company on your western computer in the hope that one day I wouldn't have to live in this crappy flat but could move back to my country. And I still put the time and effort in to producing addons for you guys FOR FREE eve if you call me a nut.

And you're trying to turn me in to some monster that hates everything... I have only one thing to say to you: Zapomniales kim jestes brat, you're not from the West, you're a Slav. Stand up for your people who are suffering, not for Western business men Take a look around you at your country, surely this isn’t how people imagined it to be, surely things have gone wrong somewhere.

If you think this is insanity then I don’t have to post here. I don’t have to make addons for you for free. I can become a capitalist if you like it so much. Its fine by me.

I love how all you supporters of capitalism suck up those free addons when they’re released and don’t even say a word, and then come here and call me a nut just because you don’t understand the struggle that gave me my point of view in the first place.

Or maybe you think that things are going so well for me, that my toilet is made of gold and honey comes out when I flush it that i just here and write insanity because I'm crazy. I'm not crazy I'm a very intelligent person and 100% ok in my mind. Maybe take a moment to consider that maybe I write this stuff because things aren't all that good, maybe it’s because things haven’t turned the way they were meant to with democracy. But you don’t take that moment because you’re one of the lucky ones that made it, so why care about the 100 000 that didn’t… They are all in insane.

I'm done with this thread, it's not good to be angry.

Edited February 6, 2012 by -Martin-