3rd person view in MP : be or not to be? (voting)

[jblackrupert 14]

BF2, CoD and all the rest, which are touted as arcade games, do not have a 3rd person option, yet ArmA and VBS2, which are not arcade games, has it. Ergo, 3rd person is not an arcade option.

BF2 and BF2142 do have 3rd person. There are several camera views available.

F9-F12 for vehicles.

I don't know how to do it in infrantry but I've seen it a few times but

it's an unplayable angle anyways.

In BF2142 I use the rear view when I'm about to take off from the Titan

in the Transport to watch for people spawning to know if I should wait for them to board.

In Arma 2 I use 3rd person for driving land vehicles, landing choppers

and watching for people heading to the chopper I'm about to take off in.

Land vehicle control in 1st person sucks. 3rd person makes them a lot more controllable and less prone to spinning like a top.

Edited August 27, 2011 by jblackrupert

[woore 10]

Woore, I will make exactly one attempt at refuting your logic.

Your opinion on gameplay can only be an opinion. Your preferred gameplay options are not the same as everyone else's.

Your problem already has a solution.

Your wall of rant is full of suppositions and opinion.

Denying the evidence of your own poll denotes an egotistical illogic thought process.

Suggesting that a choice represents demagogy whereas the removal of choice represents correctness denotes an egotistical illogic thought process.

*sigh* there's more, but really, I think I might be done with this most useless of threads :)

Suddenly...it's demagogy again. Purpose of a dispute - _logically_ prove, that your opinion is right, or - if your opponent have better proofs - change your opinion. I've done it. And any opinion can't be right and equal, it's pseudo - liberalism. You may have your own opinion - but if you're pretending that your opinion is right - you need to prove it. Otherwise - agree with opponent.

If you think, that this entire post is senceless and demagogy - prove it. Otherwise - agree with me.

Note: if the majority have an opinion, it doesn't means that opinion is right. There is a big place for liberalism at a dispute, but no place for democracy

Edited August 27, 2011 by woore

[jblackrupert 14]

Get over it Woore. Their not going to remove it.

Arma is a GAME of choices.

You don't like 3rd person. play on a server with it disabled or run your own.

The same thing goes with everything else. Sounds, islands, weapons, vehicles and soldiers. you don't like what Bohemia gave us you can go to Armaholic and pick and choose what makes you happy from there.

[maddogx 13]

Purpose of a dispute - _logically_ prove, that your opinion is right, or - if your opponent have better proofs - change your opinion. I done it.

Sorry mate, but you haven't. The only thing you've conclusively proven here is that you are so opinionated and elitist that you are unable to accept that you are wrong.

I for one have recognized the futility in arguing with you and will leave it up to those with more patience than I have.

Best of luck with your "crusade against arcade". :D

/ignore

[PeterBitt 10]

do not allow it to be enabled in Veteran/Expert mode (aswell as crosshairs)

and

visible difficulty settings in server browser

and i will be happy.

[HyperU2 11]

It's far too useful for making videos. I hope it never leaves.

[Haystack15 10]

Haystack15, 3rd view cannot be a reason to play any game or not. Wanna obvious proofs - check the previous discussion

I'll believe that when you can type correctly. :rolleyes:

Also, What previous discussion are you talking about?

P.S: Why would you want to disable an option for multiplayer completely? Is it that hard to edit the "Game Difficulty" options?

Edited August 27, 2011 by Haystack15

[dale0404 5]

Arma has damn simulation of damn peripheral vision, and it's a good simulation. RTFM.

And there is another discussion with background noise "lock this thread" despite my requests. So,

Yeah, sure. And this server will be empty, because there is only a few skilled players who want to play without 3rd because for now Arma is full of kids because 3rd view. You don't want to read opponent's posts, aren't you?

And then I have a doubt that separate settings for infantry and vehicles will helps. We have a script about it already, and no one use it because server's community usually start to whine "return 3rd back"

So wrong mate. How old are Arma 2 players

Over 65% are between 21 and 40 years of age. Go figure!

[dm 9]

Don't forget, we've already had this discussion, which was wrenched offtopic by woore and his "facts" and locked...

He's also the champ that said the Hamok is "impossible" because of its contra-rotating rotor:

For me, only strange hybrid chopper causes a dissonance, because this construction is imrossible IRL by my opinion.

Personally for me problem is that this hybrid is UNREALISTIC EVEN AS CONCEPT.... ...Helicopter like this will has too much weight for coaxial rotor scheme and will be too high to fit to any hangar with coaxial rotors!

When the facts say otherwise:

Let's put this to rest right now, woore.

The loaded weight of the Ka-52 is 10,400 kg.

The loaded weight of the Mi-28 is 10,700 kg.

Both use a pair of Klimov TV3 engines.

There's nothing physically impossibly about it this configuration at all.

So MadDog is right

Rest assured BI wont be listening to the rantings of a madman on key game design. :cool:

[NoRailgunner 0]

Well

...most people do understand the meaning of "option" - a few not.

...many people are able to ask server admins/host in a friendly(!) way to change their config/setting - some not.

Guess its just a little communication problem between few players + server admins.

[onlyrazor 11]

So... How long do you think, before the thread gets locked?

CAAAALling all ADMINS in the AAAArea!

[hund 0]

I am by all accounts pretty ancient, and I'm crazy about 3rd person. You get to look at your cool little dude doing cool little stuff, much better than watching your gun go "bang" for the gazillionth time. I was devastated when they didn't include 3rd in the pc versions of the GRAW games.

I've meet a few peeps who say that even in coop, 3rd is cheating. I'm not sure who I am cheating in that case, but hey-ho. Arma is great because it gives us options, why anyone would wish to limit those options is beyond me.

If anything I think BIS should expand upon their 3rd person system and include the new-fangled stuff that other games have (for instance, when you lean left, the camera moves over to compensate. Very helpful if you have an over-the-shoulder view).

[woore 10]

What the hell does my previous discussion of another topic have to my current discussion? You're trying to discredit me now, aren't you?

Ok, I have an another solution of this problem. Change the foreshortening of the 3rd view, an example like in this picture

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/4/dscf0004ra.jpg

In this case, you have 3rd, you have even expanded field of view, you can even aim correctly with this change, but you can't look above damn walls.

I've suggested it to you, but you've just ignored it. What's wrong with this solution by your opinion?

[hund 0]

What you've drawn a cute little picture of there is called OTS (over the shoulder) view. That's what I use in arma right now. It is nice but it has certain drawbacks.

[woore 10]

Current Arma 3rd view is not OTS, camera is right back and over a normal line of view

[hund 0]

That is correct. Nothing an addon can't fix tho. :D

[jw custom 56]

How about playing on servers that have it disabled, if you can't find any then try get in touch with the server admin and talk your case. If the server admin doesn't want to change the settings then he/her obviously likes having 3rd person on.

Now you could setup your own server as realistic as you desire and game allows.

You could also join a PvP and or COOP squad that plays with your desired preferences. If you are into playing coop take a look at my signature, they play with crosshair & 3rd person view disabled.

[woore 10]

That is correct. Nothing an addon can't fix tho. :D

And do you really think that anyone will use this addon on server? Server will be empty. Only things, implemented in vanilla game will be widely used (not on 2 servers maximum)

So, what's your opinion about implementing OTS, community? Is smt wrong with my idea?

Edited August 27, 2011 by woore

[hund 0]

Why you so angry Mr. Woore? Just take a breather, find a server that suits you and play the game how you like to play it. I'll do the same and everyone will be happy. I don't think most PvP servers even allow 3rd person, so I don't see the problem you're having?

[wolfbite 8]

Well you didnt mention anything about over the shoulder you pretty much just said everyone who didnt share you're opinion was wrong... Or a child..... Or a wrong child..

OTS would be quite a cool option in my opinion especially if you can see along the gun....

[hund 0]

Yes, OTS would be nice, BIS *hint*hint*nudge*

[jumpinghubert 49]

both is possible depending on server settings. I see no reason to make a poll "a" vs "b".

[wolfbite 8]

But if we dont have a pole we cant have an argument... you wouldnt want that now would you?

[jumpinghubert 49]

I hope the argument at the end isn´t: the majority don´t want first person view so we disable this option on all servers or allow third person view on all :p

[PeterBitt 10]

... find a server that suits you and play the game how you like to play it.

if that would be possible on public coop servers we wouldnt have a discussion here.

seriously, check arma 2 server browser and tell me how to find a proper veteran server with fitting difficulty settings.

why cant i accept the other players to have 3rd on coop servers?

just look at the way people play arma with 3rd enabled:

running around like insane hunting for AI to kill, standing behind walls while scoping over them and sprinting into areas wich i can only approach slowly because iam not cheating against AI.

iam not voting to remove it completely (even if i would love to see it removed), but i want the veteran setting to get rid of it. if BIS will implement different 3rd person settings, i could even accept 3rd for vehicles in veteran.

PLS BIS, GIVE US HARDCORE/VETERAN GAMERS SOME LOVE TOO, iam sure the newbs you want to attract with ArmA 3 wouldnt mind to play in cadet mode while we experienced gamers will get a more serious public online experience.