runekn 3 Posted May 29, 2014 Wiki said: So, how to buy the bundle? It's a steam 'DLC'. http://store.steampowered.com/app/304400 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brisse 78 Posted May 29, 2014 Wiki said: So, how to buy the bundle? Look at configure -> expansions and select boundle. A purchase button pops up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flaky 10 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Hopefully there won't be any problem ensuring that players who purchased the Supporter's Edition before or during the alpha are entitled to access all future DLC free of charge, as this simplicity was no doubt the main selling point of the supporters edition for many after their experience with Arma 2. I feel I need to mention this only because I never did receive my digital copy of the tactical guide and battle map (yes I have checked the relevant folder etc) ;) http://i.imgur.com/lJ4vITRl.png Edited May 29, 2014 by Flaky size Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted May 29, 2014 The main point in supporter edition was supporting the studio. But you should already be granted with free kart DLC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pettka 694 Posted May 29, 2014 Flaky said: Hopefully there won't be any problem ensuring that players who purchased the Supporter's Edition before or during the alpha are entitled to access all future DLC free of charge, as this simplicity was no doubt the main selling point of the supporters edition for many after their experience with Arma 2. This should explain everything, even the part about Expansion :icon_twisted: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted May 29, 2014 This Quote You can use the helicopter with some restrictions (e.g. you can only board the helicopter as a passenger). Is a terrible idea. What if someone makes a mission where you have to use that thing? What if in a MP mission the original pilot dies and there is only a guy without the DLC to take over the transport duties? You didn´t really think this one through.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windies 11 Posted May 29, 2014 Saw the same line, thought the same thing. Also find the whole "progressive notification" thing a blatant nagging push to buy the DLC. I much preferred the lite DLC over this method even though I admit it incurs more development time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
byku 13 Posted May 29, 2014 Personally I think it's a brilliant idea(already bought the DLC Bundle). How else you could "force" people to buy those DLC's in your opinion? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainAzimuth 714 Posted May 29, 2014 Tonci87 said: ThisIs a terrible idea. What if someone makes a mission where you have to use that thing? What if in a MP mission the original pilot dies and there is only a guy without the DLC to take over the transport duties? You didn´t really think this one through.... Collateral damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tomturner 10 Posted May 29, 2014 pettka said: This should explain everything, even the part about Expansion :icon_twisted: Well, it did not answer the question about DLC being available to Supporters without additional charge. So, is it or not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted May 29, 2014 tomturner said: Well, it did not answer the question about DLC being available to Supporters without additional charge. So, is it or not? It is explicitely written here : http://www.bistudio.com/english/company/developers-blog/465-roadmap-14-15-dlc-strategy-blog Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CaptainAzimuth 714 Posted May 29, 2014 tomturner said: Well, it did not answer the question about DLC being available to Supporters without additional charge. So, is it or not? This in the blog... Quote Those who supported our development by purchasing the limited Arma 3 Supporter Edition will be getting everything above without surcharge, including the Expansion Reading. The most important part of community forums, and information gathering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varanon 892 Posted May 29, 2014 Byku said: How else you could "force" people to buy those DLC's in your opinion? Heh, you know, the best way of selling DLC is to make people actually WANT to buy it, not FORCE them to buy it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wiki 1558 Posted May 29, 2014 How come I got the "ArmA 3 DLC Bundle" twice in my "expansion" menu? 1 I can activate/deactivate and another 1 I can't activate/deactivate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Kozak 14 Posted May 29, 2014 Varanon said: Heh, you know, the best way of selling DLC is to make people actually WANT to buy it, not FORCE them to buy it. Not everyone has good enough moral for it, or any moral for that matter - most would just play the DLCs for free given a chance to cheat. Even if they like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
byku 13 Posted May 29, 2014 Varanon said: Heh, you know, the best way of selling DLC is to make people actually WANT to buy it, not FORCE them to buy it. It's easy to say something is bad, but more difficult to say how to fix it. So what's your proposition? What's the alternative? I personally don't have any other idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted May 29, 2014 Still locking people out of essential functions is IMHO the wrong way to do it. That way you do fragment the community and you ensure that the DLC assets won´t be used in the MAYORITY of released SP and MP Missions. So anyone who buys the DLCs won´t have that much opportunities to actually use the nice things he paid for. With that method you shaft both sides of the community. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Kozak 14 Posted May 29, 2014 Tonci87 said: Still locking people out of essential functions is IMHO the wrong way to do it. That way you do fragment the community and you ensure that the DLC assets won´t be used in the MAYORITY of released SP and MP Missions. So anyone who buys the DLCs won´t have that much opportunities to actually use the nice things he paid for. With that method you shaft both sides of the community. Do you have a better proposal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
St. Jimmy 272 Posted May 29, 2014 DarkWanderer said: Do you have a better proposal? Like they did in Arma 2. You can use stuff but it's low res. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted May 29, 2014 St. Jimmy said: Like they did in Arma 2. You can use stuff but it's low res. Definately a better solution than this mess.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Kozak 14 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Tonci87 said: Definately a better solution than this mess.... St. Jimmy said: Like they did in Arma 2. You can use stuff but it's low res. And it is worse than current one, since everyone without DLC would just avoid coming on servers where DLC content is used - 'cause it's low quality and sounds awful. That was the case in A2. This means - much greater community split. Situations like "the only guy who could fly it died", OTOH, are something at the "happens once in a year" side of scale. Public servers have vehicle respawn and will have plenty of regular choppers, I'm sure. OR there would be a warning - pilots must have TS and Heli DLC, just like TS is forced now. Edited May 29, 2014 by DarkWanderer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted May 29, 2014 DarkWanderer said: And it is worse than current one, since everyone without DLC would just avoid coming on servers where DLC content is used - 'cause it's low quality and sounds awful. That was the case in A2.This means - much greater community split. Situations like "the only guy who could fly it died", OTOH, are something at the "happens once in a year" side of scale. Public servers have vehicle respawn and will have plenty of regular choppers, I'm sure. OR there would be a warning - pilots must have TS and Heli DLC, just like TS is forced now. You are not thinking of the long term consequences. Mission makers will avoid the DLC content because they want as many people as possible to play their stuff. And when there are almost no missions using the DLC content then what is it worth? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sniperwolf572 758 Posted May 29, 2014 DarkWanderer said: And it is worse than current one, since everyone without DLC would just avoid coming on servers where DLC content is used - 'cause it's low quality and sounds awful. That was the case in A2.This means - much greater community split. Situations like "the only guy who could fly it died", OTOH, are something at the "happens once in a year" side of scale. Public servers have vehicle respawn and will have plenty of regular choppers, I'm sure. OR there would be a warning - pilots must have TS and Heli DLC, just like TS is forced now. I think it's worse to reduce usability rather than visual quality. Visual quality does not impair mission flow, asset capabilities or gameplay. "Can't fly this unless you buy" vs "Yep, the helo looks like shit, but you can still do what you need it to do". I tried the Kart without purchasing it first, I was ok with the little intrusive neon bright icon on the side, I was ok with the flurry of hints, but then I got into the realm of "FULLSCREEN DIAMOND HELMET PATTERN" after a 3 laps. Yep, let's fully impair the view of the driver. If it was a rifle, it might as well came on at a time where I'm trying to spot a few pixels moving off in the distance, etc. I wonder what the further stages of harassment are. :D If I didn't own it, I'd avoid it online more than I would if it had shitty textures. Hell, people were piling on to play DayZ even tho many did not have the DLC to make their own character look high-res. I don't see the argument being "People will avoid it because it looks shit", the argument I see is "Damn, these screenshots with shitty textures are making our game look bad to the public". If the content is good, people will play it no matter how shit it looks. There are so many examples, and the best one comes from BI's own back yard. But there has to be a better way to do this than crippling functionality and introducing gameplay crippling blocks, but even if they decide to crash the game if you haven't bought it, it does no affect me. :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Kozak 14 Posted May 29, 2014 Tonci87 said: You are not thinking of the long term consequences. Mission makers will avoid the DLC content because they want as many people as possible to play their stuff. And when there are almost no missions using the DLC content then what is it worth? No, it's you who's not thinking long-term. What you say applied even more to BAF and PMC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Kozak 14 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) Sniperwolf572 said: I think it's worse to reduce usability rather than visual quality. Visual quality does not impair mission flow, asset capabilities or gameplay. "Can't fly this unless you buy" vs "Yep, the helo looks like shit, but you can still do what you need it to do".I tried the Kart without purchasing it first, I was ok with the little intrusive neon bright icon on the side, I was ok with the flurry of hints, but then I got into the realm of "FULLSCREEN DIAMOND HELMET PATTERN" after a 3 laps. Yep, let's fully impair the view of the driver. If it was a rifle, it might as well came on at a time where I'm trying to spot a few pixels moving off in the distance, etc. I wonder what the further stages of harassment are. :D If I didn't own it, I'd avoid it online more than I would if it had shitty textures. Hell, people were piling on to play DayZ even tho many did not have the DLC to make their own character look high-res. I don't see the argument being "People will avoid it because it looks shit", the argument I see is "Damn, these screenshots with shitty textures are making our game look bad to the public". If the content is good, people will play it no matter how shit it looks. There are so many examples, and the best one comes from BI's own back yard. But there has to be a better way to do this than crippling functionality and introducing gameplay crippling blocks, but even if they decide to crash the game if you haven't bought it, it does no affect me You're making it up here. If you had bought PMC, my game is suddenly filled with crap. If I bought Marksman, your game is the same - except you get to envy the weapon I have. You have no reason to avoid anything. And BAF and PMC showed exactly how flawed the approach you are defending was - I saw dozens of people who just left servers because "the firefight sounds like child's backyard game". Don't think there was no problems if you didn't see them. And again, you'll always have an old Ghosthawk if you still want to fly. Or... Oh, wait, do you just want all the goodies for free? Edited May 29, 2014 by DarkWanderer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites