MARSOC Marine Special Operations Team

[Fox '09 14]

Awesome, thanks for the update :) The new models look terrific as MARSOC units.

[Nike619 1]

Oh dear god. The wife and me were supposed to go to the movies this evening.

Thanks for the update! The new units look awesome!

Edited March 24, 2012 by Nike619

[miller 49]

Thanks Meatball0311

But why v1.0 ???

The last current version is not v1.4 ^^ :j:

http://www.arma2base.de/include.php?path=download&contentid=3622

greetz

miller

[Harine 40]

Very nice release Well done !

[Meatball0311 79]

Thank you for all your comments! Enjoy!

Thanks Meatball0311

But why v1.0 ???

greetz

miller

Because I totally reworked the units and want to try and limit any confusion between the two different styles of models... Thanks for asking!

[islesfan186 83]

awesome work, although i kinda think i like the FastHelmets better. Just my opinion though. Either way these are sick. I also think it's awesome you modelled your own M4's as well. I love the ELCAN ones. Are you gonna do desert camo variants for the DMARPAT guys?

[Franklin 0]

I want to like these very badly, as I run a 15 man MSOT with 2 man sniper detachment internal to The First 2 Fight.

The setup of the teams, the icons, and everything administrative is great! I like that you kept things realistic, and didn't slap mix matched uniforms on the guys unlike most super high speed tier 1 SF addons.

However I have a few points of interest that I feel could use improvement. I don't intend to bash, because overall it is great work, understand that. So please dont take this as over critical, or negative... I just want to vocalize what I see, and what changes I feel would make this a truly great addon.

Issue #1: The MARPAT fades very quickly at distance. I know at certain distances all camo fades to look like a single color, however I can easily pick out the pattern or MARPAT at least 60-70m if not farther in real life. With this, and binks other units, the pattern fades out as close as 10m, and makes the units looked washed out. Its not a huge issue, but if you were able to keep the pattern from fading out for a longer distance, that would improve the appearance a lot.

#2: The plate carriers look just painted on, again just a visual thing, but it makes the guys look flat. The pouches themselves are modeled on, and look good, but with the plate carrier just as flat as the blouse, it looks kinda odd.

#3: The boonie hats are a little too big on the light version guys. They should be scaled down a bit, and a little lower on the head. Part of me would also like to see a version with no headgear, since my team uses some addons that give us player editor selectable headgear. I personally like having the option, but dont know if enough of the community feels similar enough to warrant asking for a hat-less version.

[Meatball0311 79]

awesome work, although i kinda think i like the FastHelmets better. Just my opinion though. Either way these are sick. I also think it's awesome you modelled your own M4's as well. I love the ELCAN ones. Are you gonna do desert camo variants for the DMARPAT guys?

Thanks! and yes I will add desert camo for the DMARPAT Marines probably in the next update.

---------- Post added at 04:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:39 PM ----------

I want to like these very badly, as I run a 15 man MSOT with 2 man sniper detachment internal to The First 2 Fight.

The setup of the teams, the icons, and everything administrative is great! I like that you kept things realistic, and didn't slap mix matched uniforms on the guys unlike most super high speed tier 1 SF addons.

However I have a few points of interest that I feel could use improvement. I don't intend to bash, because overall it is great work, understand that. So please dont take this as over critical, or negative... I just want to vocalize what I see, and what changes I feel would make this a truly great addon.

I will take yours and everybody elses comments to mind, but as always I cannot guarantee that they will be fixed. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Issue #1: The MARPAT fades very quickly at distance. I know at certain distances all camo fades to look like a single color, however I can easily pick out the pattern or MARPAT at least 60-70m if not farther in real life. With this, and binks other units, the pattern fades out as close as 10m, and makes the units looked washed out. Its not a huge issue, but if you were able to keep the pattern from fading out for a longer distance, that would improve the appearance a lot.

This seems to be probably an LOD issue and I will look into this.

#2: The plate carriers look just painted on, again just a visual thing, but it makes the guys look flat. The pouches themselves are modeled on, and look good, but with the plate carrier just as flat as the blouse, it looks kinda odd.

That would be a normal map issue and I can look at maybe improving it, but I don't see this as a top priority.

#3: The boonie hats are a little too big on the light version guys. They should be scaled down a bit, and a little lower on the head. Part of me would also like to see a version with no headgear, since my team uses some addons that give us player editor selectable headgear. I personally like having the option, but dont know if enough of the community feels similar enough to warrant asking for a hat-less version.

I remember back in my Marine days (2000-2004) the boonies did seem large, but that is just how they are. Now, I did have to scale them a little bigger, because the headset was poking through the top. You may have to live with this one, because I am probably not going to rework it.

I appreciate you taking the time and trying to improve on this. I will look into those issues and see if maybe they can be tweaked.

[Franklin 0]

No worries Meatball, I dont expect changes, its your addon and its yours to make how you see fit. Just offering my opinion, and thank you for the reply.

[islesfan186 83]

Also, as far as you M4s, I would think they look better with optics being camo as well. Suppressed variants would be nice, and maybe even make an ammo box?

[Binkowski 26]

I want to like these very badly, as I run a 15 man MSOT with 2 man sniper detachment internal to The First 2 Fight.

The setup of the teams, the icons, and everything administrative is great! I like that you kept things realistic, and didn't slap mix matched uniforms on the guys unlike most super high speed tier 1 SF addons.

However I have a few points of interest that I feel could use improvement. I don't intend to bash, because overall it is great work, understand that. So please dont take this as over critical, or negative... I just want to vocalize what I see, and what changes I feel would make this a truly great addon.

Issue #1: The MARPAT fades very quickly at distance. I know at certain distances all camo fades to look like a single color, however I can easily pick out the pattern or MARPAT at least 60-70m if not farther in real life. With this, and binks other units, the pattern fades out as close as 10m, and makes the units looked washed out. Its not a huge issue, but if you were able to keep the pattern from fading out for a longer distance, that would improve the appearance a lot.

#2: The plate carriers look just painted on, again just a visual thing, but it makes the guys look flat. The pouches themselves are modeled on, and look good, but with the plate carrier just as flat as the blouse, it looks kinda odd.

#3: The boonie hats are a little too big on the light version guys. They should be scaled down a bit, and a little lower on the head. Part of me would also like to see a version with no headgear, since my team uses some addons that give us player editor selectable headgear. I personally like having the option, but dont know if enough of the community feels similar enough to warrant asking for a hat-less version.

#1: It's called LODs and the UV maps. I've never had this issue, but according to some people it exists. So until we figure out a fix, you're just going to have to deal.

#2: They aren't painted on, in fact they are modeled on. I'm not sure where you are seeing the painted on effect in being as flat as the blouse. Unless you're looking at a lower LOD. And why you are looking at a lower LOD when the unit is close to you beats the hell out of me.

#3: That's the way the boonies are on the units, if you want I can send him over an old ArmA1 boonie model and out-dated UV map. I'm not a fan of selectable headgear for different reasons. But I'm one guy, not the community.

Those aren't me being a dick. I'm simply replying to what you have posted. If I can request a screenshot of issue #2, that would be good. To see what the issue that you are seeing is, and how to fix it.

[Franklin 0]

Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3

Pic 4

Just a couple different angles for comparison.

[suhsjake 1]

Don't forget about the mipmaps. What are your computer specs Franklin?

[Franklin 0]

2.8 gig i7 OC'ed to 4.03

12 gigs DDR3 ram

3 X GTX 260 OC'ed in SLI = 2.7 gigs of Vram

ASUS P6T6 mobo

2x intel 510 SSD in raid0

[sup3r6f0ur 2]

I have no clue why but I get this error while in game with your units Cannot Load mipmap mar_marines/data/characters/icon/i_msot_rfl_ca.paa (not just these but your other MARSOC Units to) and here is what is realy wierd thing, when i place your units in the editor it gives me this horrible lag while those icons (they apear as little blue squares) are on screen.

[Meatball0311 79]

I have no clue why but I get this error while in game with your units Cannot Load mipmap mar_marines/data/characters/icon/i_msot_rfl_ca.paa (not just these but your other MARSOC Units to) and here is what is realy wierd thing, when i place your units in the editor it gives me this horrible lag while those icons (they apear as little blue squares) are on screen.

I have never seen that error before.. did you delete the older version?

Please only use the LATEST VERSION

---------- Post added at 08:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:39 PM ----------

Also, as far as you M4s, I would think they look better with optics being camo as well. Suppressed variants would be nice, and maybe even make an ammo box?

There will be ammo boxes in the next update. As for the optics, not sure if they will get some paint.

[Nike619 1]

Great units Meatball! Any chance of them getting on Six Updater? (:

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PS: do you want us to keep the old version (1.4) or remove those? I ask cause these units have different pbo names so not sure you want to delete your old work.

[sup3r6f0ur 2]

I have never seen that error before.. did you delete the older version?

Please only use the LATEST VERSION

It is the latest version and Im running using CO lite (Arma 2 Free with Operation arrowhead, dont know if that has anything to do with it.) If you can't fix it though can I open up the PBO myself and change the mipmap image to default? If so what do I put or do I just erase somthing from the Config?

[Meatball0311 79]

Great units Meatball! Any chance of them getting on Six Updater? (:

I sent Sickboy a message notifying him of the release.. I am sure he will update Six.

---------- Post added at 07:46 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:38 AM ----------

It is the latest version and Im running using CO lite (Arma 2 Free with Operation arrowhead, dont know if that has anything to do with it.) If you can't fix it though can I open up the PBO myself and change the mipmap image to default? If so what do I put or do I just erase somthing from the Config?

I have not done any testing with or really know anything about CO lite. I would try to purchase ArmA II CO if possible. I guess you could try and delete the whole line that has

icon = "\mar_marines\data\characters\icon\i_msot_..._ca.paa";

on every unit. Or you could not use the units. Sorry bud. Edited March 25, 2012 by Meatball0311

[sup3r6f0ur 2]

Deleting the line does not seem to work. Thanks anyways for the awsome units. Ill just have to not put the marines in the mission last. And also I hate ordering online otherwise I would have a copy of ArmA 2+operation arrowhead and not just ArmA 2 free and Operation arrowhead.

[virtualvikingx 19]

Are the M4s ace compatible?

Also JGuids post #44:

"Please do not forget to make a config for backpacks that they are compatible with the ACE, and radio rucks with ACRE! Nice mod but need a full squad addiction"

The Woodland units looks most excellent, thank you for making and updating these units!

Edited March 25, 2012 by VirtualVikingX

[Meatball0311 79]

Are the M4s ace compatible?

Also JGuids post #44:

The Woodland units looks most excellent, thank you for making and updating these units!

Yes, thank you for reminding me of compatibility issues. I haven't done any testing with ACE or ACRE yet. I will add that to future update TO DO list.

@Everyone

I will be updating the First Post with any issues and future change logs, so check before you post issues as they may have already been addressed. Thank you.

[Nike619 1]

Thanks for the great units and quick responses. I don't have a bad thing to say. Sierra Hotel meatball. Great work.

[spotter001 82]

great stuff! is there a rep pack? i'd like to use them as default USMC troops?