ArmA 3 like Battlefield play 4 free.

[KorpeN 0]

Why the sudden flood of CoD and BF'ers wanting to ruin the main concept of ArmA?

I bet you ve never played OFP multiplayer. Then you ll know it's not sudden nor CoD and BFers that storming around BIS forums.. Also make a try to get your brain work and read this post again.

To bring some reason in this thread..

He suggested in the initial post:

• Instant join. Means select game type and the game finds a suitable server. Good suggestion.
  
• A strong traditional PvP game mode as part of the core game (in addition to Warfare). Good suggestion.
  
• Examples: Berzerk or AAS like. Both are the most played public PvP game modes next to Warfare. Good suggestion.
  
• Personal credits as part of the game mode. Hurts teamplay and encourages unsocial behavior. Bad suggestion.
  
• ArmA can have BF/CoD like game modes. It does already and they are very popular. Good point.
  
• Having such a traditional PvP game mode as part of the core game would make it more popular. Very likely. See OFP as an example of former PvP popularity. Good point.
  
• In addition it would make it interesting to competitive and league play. Very likely. Good point.
  

For all haters please take a moment to activate your brain.

Noone wants to ruin the gameplay of ArmA.

I think that playing with the ArmA bots makes your IQ level drop to theirs.

Take a break.

[zooloo75 834]

So let me get this straight. You want there to be an unlock system and have a loader that launches before the game so you can customize your character?

That's stupid. Why would you have points? Why would you have a separate launcher just for character creation?

Why do people want to ruin the only REAL game that is essentially left for the PC gaming community. BIS seems to be the only devs that care for the PC community. Unlike consoles, there are only a few exclusives. It's best to keep the game's core the same, rather than add a bunch of useless features that the original player base dislikes. If you add a bunch off useless features, then you will lose your real player base and gain a bunch of mainstream gamers such as you (Korpen, and 5Leven).

Please do not ruin this game.

This is an open-sandbox style war SIMULATOR. Not a dress up and look nice for the battlefield sonny.

Edited June 6, 2011 by zooloo75

[KorpeN 0]

So let me get this straight. You want there to be an unlock system and have a loader that launches before the game so you can customize your character?

That's stupid. Why would you have points? Why would you have a separate launcher just for character creation?

Why do people want to ruin the only REAL game that is essentially left for the PC gaming community. BIS seems to be the only devs that care for the PC community. Unlike consoles, there are only a few exclusives. It's best to keep the game's core the same, rather than add a bunch of useless features that the original player base dislikes. If you add a bunch off useless features, then you will lose your real player base and gain a bunch of mainstream gamers such as you (Korpen, and 5Leven).

Please do not ruin this game.

This is an open-sandbox style war SIMULATOR. Not a dress up and look nice for the battlefield sonny.

No I don't want leveling, or unlocks or points or customize my character. Try again and read the post.

[onlyrazor 11]

Maybe... It's becoming famous. That's a good-bad thing, I guess. Let's hope the newbies can teamplay. The BFers, if not anyone else.

My hopes are high.

[bangtail 0]

No I don't want leveling, or unlocks or points or customize my character. Try again and read the post.

Really? It seems that you have a very short memory.

How about bis make a ArmA3 launcher where the main menu is your character, you press play now and instantly you find a hardcore PvP map like berserk 16vs16 with hold and secure mod, collect points and buy new weapons and uniforms. Somehow like battlefield play for free. I am playing this game for a while now and I was imaging ArmA be that way with its unique gameplay. It will be paradise.

P.S. : Before the narrowminded tell me to go to play BF or CoD just think that I am telling this for BIS to make the game more popular. In that way it will support tournament modes like ladders and cups.

It's amusing that you and the other advocate of 'hardcore' PvP keep telling people to use their brains. It seems to me that you should take your own advice :p

Further, telling people to 'read your post' as if they will suddenly have an epiphany and agree with you if they read it a certain number of times is getting old. We can all read, no amount of repetitive scrutiny is going to change anything.

Edited June 6, 2011 by BangTail

[noubernou 77]

Not sure what the problem is with TvT now? We have 70-80 player TvT events every weekend at UO, and most nights the server population gets up above 35 and we start playing TvT.

Most people just do not know where to look for good TvT play.

The thing is, TvT still should include briefings, battleplans, load-outs, leadership down the CoC etc. Most of these TvT modes like AAS and Berzerk or whatever do not facilitate the style of gameplay that makes Arma unique.

[demonized 20]

go play Cod or BF, keep that stuff there.

realismuh brigade out! :)

[KorpeN 0]

Really? It seems that you have a very short memory.

It's amusing that you and the other advocate of 'hardcore' PvP keep telling people to use their brains. It seems to me that you should take your own advice :p

Further, telling people to 'read your post' as if they will suddenly have an epiphany and agree with you if they read it a certain number of times is getting old. We can all read, no amount of repetitive scrutiny is going to change anything.

Yeah. Also I say like berzerk. Have you ever played? In evolution and warfare missions you have to collect money (points) so you can take new weapons. Am I wrong? If you have some strong arguments against an organized hardcore PvP game mode with the ArmA gameplay and style I am all ears but coming here to be smartass trying to get over me doesnt help anyone. And if you want it this way read again this post and see which post I recall

http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1947253&postcount=76

Take your time.

[bangtail 0]

FFS, stop telling me to read the post again.

Maybe you have to read things 200 times before you understand them but once is usually enough for me :rolleyes:

Now, all I've seen you do is parrot the same thing over and over while telling people to 'use their brains', 'read my post again' and my personal favorite, your endless condescension towards people who 'play against the AI'.

If you presented your case in a more mature and pragmatic manner, I might have a little more time for it.

Lastly, I'm not being a smartass, I simply noticed that you totally contradicted yourself and pointed it out.

Edited June 6, 2011 by BangTail

[KorpeN 0]

Mature. The most overused word in these forums. And I think that this is the problem. The attitude of some members that they think they are superior only because they play ArmA a so-called war simulator. And the only right way to play it is via Coop with boring predictable bots. And everyone else that likes to play PvP is a CoD or BF fag kiddie.

[bangtail 0]

I don't judge you because I don't know you. I can guess at what type of gamer you are from your attitude (via posts) but I don't think I'm any better or worse.

However, our philosophies when it comes to gaming are more than likely very different. I'm never going to like what you're suggesting and I've stated why in this thread and in other threads you have been involved in.

I sincerely hope that someone designs what you are looking for, I'm not against you having what you want. I don't think anyone is against that. We just don't understand why you need to have it made for you by BIS.

At any rate, this has already been done to death so I digress :)

[LANCERZz 10]

I don't know what the arma community's problem with success is. BI is a very small studio, and they could always use more money. If you guys really want ArmA to stay around for a while, you'd want them to get more money. Having more players does not equal turning into call of duty or battlefield. It equals successful marketing which BI has yet to accomplish. So what if more people know about this game? It's not a fucking secret. The people who don't like realism won't buy it, and the people who do but have never heard of arma (like me, I found this game by accident while looking for rainbow six games on wikipedia) will have the opportunity to enjoy the greatest game of all time.

Seriously, people on this forum are more annoying than the indie band groupies who think their band has 'sold out' if their song is played on the radio.

This post was mainly for the first couple of posts on the thread with people saying shit like they want to keep people away from this game. I honestly didn't read the OP too well, but from what I did read it wasn't a bad option to have to find games quicker.

Edited June 6, 2011 by LANCERZzZz
I realised this post was a bit off topic and more of a rant.

[noubernou 77]

I don't know what the arma community's problem with success is. BI is a very small studio, and they could always use more money. If you guys really want ArmA to stay around for a while, you'd want them to get more money. Having more players does not equal turning into call of duty or battlefield. It equals successful marketing which BI has yet to accomplish. So what if more people know about this game? It's not a fucking secret. The people who don't like realism won't buy it, and the people who do but have never heard of arma (like me, I found this game by accident while looking for rainbow six games on wikipedia) will have the opportunity to enjoy the greatest game of all time.

Seriously, people on this forum are more annoying than the indie band groupies who think their band has 'sold out' if their song is played on the radio.

This post was mainly for the first couple of posts on the thread with people saying shit like they want to keep people away from this game. I honestly didn't read the OP too well, but from what I did read it wasn't a bad option to have to find games quicker.

You realize that BIS makes makes most of its money from being realistic right?

Ever heard of VBS2?

They really don't have to cater to a broader market to stick around. ;)

[lone.wolf 80]

Lancerzzzz from what info do you deem Bohemia Interactive to be a "very small studio", because you found arma by chance.. Have you ever heard of Bohemia Interactive Simulations or this is also "very small" in your world because you dont have heard about them... They create the VBS-2, try google it and see the main client list...

-Damn Nouber to quick...! :)

I would gladly pay 100-150€ per game, if it would protect the core values of the Arma series, and keep BIS from selling out and becoming a new COD-BF clone.. But i know they wont because quality and realism matters more than sales stats...

Edited June 6, 2011 by Lone.Wolf

[LANCERZz 10]

You realize that BIS makes makes most of its money from being realistic right?

Ever heard of VBS2?

They really don't have to cater to a broader market to stick around. ;)

I never said they should make the game less realistic?

And yes, I heard of VBS2, but how many copies of that game do you think the military actually buys?

And no, they are are not a very well known studio. Not on console, not on pc, especially when compared to larger studios. How often do you hear about ArmA news outside of this forum, or on PC gamer

---------- Post added at 21:21 ---------- Previous post was at 21:18 ----------

I'm not going to argue with you guys, but this is the problem with indie media - the fans. Many of them only like the product because it isn't "mainstream", and if it becomes "mainstream" they're suddenly no longer following their core values.

I respect bohemia enough as a company that I trust that their game would stay true to the series no matter how popular, or how much money they make.

[purepassion 22]

and talking about "making money" thats why they sell the engine and make android games.

[lone.wolf 80]

So for you (Lancerzzz) the quality of a game is its developers fame and sales, if Hello Kitty FPS sold 10,000,000 copies and made by Microsoft then in your understandning it would be the game of the century.. Because famous developer and lots of sale...!

Sales dont equal quality..!

It aint how many copies the military buy but the investments in specific modules and content there is important..

[bangtail 0]

Because more often than not, mainstream is synonymous with crap. I'm not even going to list the once great franchises that were ruined by greed after they were horribly altered to appeal to the 'mainstream' market. It's not the fans that are the problem, it's the constant moaning from the mainstream that have to have everything turned into one huge 'iwin' button.

The military does a lot of business with BIS JFYI, they don't need console gamers or anyone else, they have been around for a long time and they have survived without selling themselves short or out.

[metalcraze 290]

How often do you hear about ArmA news outside of this forum, or on PC gamer

PC Gamer are avid ArmA2 players.

Google for battle bus.

I'm not going to argue with you guys, but this is the problem with indie media - the fans. Many of them only like the product because it isn't "mainstream", and if it becomes "mainstream" they're suddenly no longer following their core values.

Game having a "mainstream" status or not is not the case.

Mainstream = crap 95% of the time. It's a fact.

So logically to become mainstream you need to produce low-grade crap so even a 3 years old will be able to play it with one finger while spending millions just to promote it.

Case in point - MGS/CoD/MoH/BC2/Crysis 2 and other overrated overhyped interactive movies that don't even have any gameplay.

Obviously fans will get disappointed when their franchise will get turned into something very inferior to the original or completely different and not even a good game by far - Fallout, Deus Ex, X-Com are just few examples

Edited June 6, 2011 by metalcraze

[mrcash2009 0]

Before the narrowminded tell me to go to play BF or CoD

Guess what :)

I can see some "jump in and go features" for online, that I can understand, bit like how armory works but online, the rest was a bit .....

[noubernou 77]

And yes, I heard of VBS2, but how many copies of that game do you think the military actually buys?

A lot. :rolleyes:

[jblackrupert 14]

Evolution and Warfare have a sort of unlock system in place. Same with Domination servers. you have to rank up to get access to vehicles.

The whole COD/BF thing is just bullsh*t that a certain group of people like to throw out when they have no valid argument.. Kind of a videogame version of pulling the race card.

Edited June 7, 2011 by jblackrupert

[bangtail 0]

The whole COD/BF thing is just bullsh*t that a certain group of people like to throw out when they have no valid argument.. Kind of a videogame version of pulling the race card.

Not a very good analogy :rolleyes:

Edited June 7, 2011 by BangTail

[celery 8]

What a ridiculous analogy :rolleyes:

Here's a drinking game for you: take a shot every time there's a mention with negative connotation about Call of Duty, Counter-Strike, Battlefield, Crysis or kids in any of these threads. Some people in this community need to chill the fuck down with all this genre hate.

[zooloo75 834]

Here's a drinking game for you: take a shot every time there's a mention with negative connotation about Call of Duty, Counter-Strike, Battlefield, Crysis or kids in any of these threads. Some people in this community need to chill the fuck down with all this genre hate.

Well what the hell do you expect when people want to change the game to be more like those games? ArmA is a war sim, not an arcade FPS.