Libyan Air-force ordered to bomb protesters

[Tonci87 163]

Good lecture on Libya for German speakers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr0OlzmoYd0

You don´t expect anyone to take this serious, do you? I mean, a "journalist" from the magazine "secret" (a communist magazine)

speaks on some kind of communist congress. Hey..... :rolleyes:

[Beagle 684]

You don´t expect anyone to take this serious, do you? I mean, a "journalist" from the magazine "secret" (a communist magazine)

speaks on some kind of communist congress. Hey..... :rolleyes:

But you can take this serious...its also in german language.

is also quite interesting, the main point is that of 31 Leaders of the Resistance party only 13 are really known. So in fact the "coalition" does not know whom they do a favor right now. This is indeed like a Poker game.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Beagle

[Minutemen 10]

Good lecture on Libya for German speakers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr0OlzmoYd0

Do you speak german? Why are there red stars and these motherf****s Marx and Lenin everywhere in this youtube channel? Call themself Anti-imperialists and then hang red stars, hammer and sickle everywhere. What was the USSR? Was this not an empire? And China? China is also an aggressive empire and is expandig day for day. And these f***s wanna tell me something about good and bad imperialism? Keep your garbage.

[Beagle 684]

Do you speak german? Why are there red stars and these motherf****s Marx and Lenin everywhere in this youtube channel? Call themself Anti-imperialists and then hang red stars, hammer and sickle everywhere. What was the USSR? Was this not an empire? And China? China is also an aggressive empire and is expandig day for day. And these f***s wanna tell me something about good and bad imperialism? Keep your garbage.

Hi Minutemen

You may not know, but communism is originally not a russian but a german invention ;) There are socialist and communist parties since the foundation of parlamentarism in germany.

There are indeed cummunist parties in germany and some do even have power in our federal state system. In fact the influence of the extrem left socialiste and communist is rising year by year in whole Europe since the economy crisis shows what harm economical liberalism has done. the currently most powerful replication of german socialism with a liability toward communism and strong pacifism is the LEFT PARTY (DIE LINKE) the partg emerged from the old SED, the party that once ruled the east german GDR (DDR)

Edited March 23, 2011 by Beagle

[Tonci87 163]

But you can take this serious...its also in german language.

is also quite interesting, the main point is that of 31 Leaders of the Resistance party only 13 are really known. So in fact the "coalition" does not know whom they do a favor right now. This is indeed like a Poker game.

The first Article has the expression "Pressehurerei" at the beginning, so no i won´t take it very serious (but it has some good points!)

the second link takes me to a searching machine?

[Minutemen 10]

@Beagle

The ideas of Communism are in orgin ideas of the freemasonry. Marx just cribbed stuff that Weißhaupt wrote before. You know, that No-Religion, No-Family, No-Property stuff. And look at these symbols that communist organisations use all the time. I mean, look at the east german symbole. It also looks not so different form the UN-Symbole. Its all the same crap.

Yeah, and i know that many europeans are already communists, and they don't know it, especial in german that has the strongest, greates green party in the world. And these f***s just scare people over natural catastrophe, tell them that a hot shower is the reason for the man bear pig. Looks like the soviets won the cold war.

[Beagle 684]

@Beagle

The ideas of Communism are in orgin ideas of the freemasonry. Marx just cribbed stuff that Weißhaupt wrote before. You know, that No-Religion, No-Family, No-Property stuff. And look at these symbols that communist organisations use all the time. I mean, look at the east german symbole. It also looks not so different form the UN-Symbole. Its all the same crap.

Yeah, and i know that many europeans are already communists, and they don't know it, especial in german that has the strongest, greates green party in the world. And these f***s just scare people over natural catastrophe, tell them that a hot shower is the reason for the man bear pig. Looks like the soviets won the cold war.

Well from a US perspective it may look that way, but for sure it's not the same. You can ask the ex-GDR citizens any day how communism did not work. Everybody had lots of money but here was rarely something to buy...todays it's reverse ;)

[spooky lynx 73]

What constitutes proof for you? There are more than enough eyewitness reports in the media, easily found through a Google search.

I need at least some photos or videos of those massacres. Because eyewitness reports are too different - some say about many wounded, some say only about gang members that were ass-kicked while trying to get some stuff from shops. Both of them were in the areas of so called protests.

Do you not have access to google where you come from? Or how about the hundreds of news sites.

You can also watch the Al Jazeera live stream on their website.

Again, all I've watched doesn't look like massacre or fierce fighting between rebels and government troops. Show me real proofs, otherwise all this mess around Libya is nothing like reports about russian tanks in Gori in 08.08.08 (total lies).

[Spokesperson 0]

You don´t expect anyone to take this serious, do you? I mean, a "journalist" from the magazine "secret" (a communist magazine)

speaks on some kind of communist congress. Hey..... :rolleyes:

Listen to what he says instead of targeting the messenger.

Very good points.

[Minutemen 10]

You can ask the ex-GDR citizens any day how communism did not work.

Maybee i should ask the ex-GDR drudge how it could be that nobody judge these stasi people.

By the way.

Webster Tarpley made some good

episodes about the crisis in Lybia.

(I know hes a little socialist, but at least hes not showing red stars and marx everywhere)

[Colossus 2]

In other news; rebellion in Libya.

International Politics Thread - I'm sure we can get it locked up and proceed with the bickering of ideology in that thread.

[Beagle 684]

In other news; rebellion in Libya.

International Politics Thread - I'm sure we can get it locked up and proceed with the bickering of ideology in that thread.

This is no bickering about ideologie...we are trying to point out the ideologies behind this civil war in Libya. The way Ghadaffi ran its country was more in line with european socialim.

So the question is, who and what ideology fuels the Resistance? No word on that so far.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Beagle

[Rovka 14]

You have got to be joking.

And you sir seem to be still dreaming I presume. War is all about income, on who gets to be the victor getting the spoils of war (in this case oil!), and decides what to do, or don't, and that also involves economic reasons (safeguarding excisting ties, eliminating threats to their regional power) to go to war in the first place!

Money corrupts more then anyone can imagine! So get rid of your blinding eye-shields. You too know very well that there's always a boss above a boss;

It is just like the military, your first boss is the Lance-Corporal, Corporal, then Sergeant, Staff-Sergeant, Sergeant-Major, 2nd Lieutenant, 1st Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Colonel Brigade-General, Lieutenant-General, General and in wartime General of the Army as military commander, but still the Minister and President/Queen as level-bosses above them!

There is always a higher boss in the game! This is to certain extend structured society wide! But with the military here as best example!

And who says the Bilderberg group excists to coerce peace?? If that is so, why are there no free-press allowed to report these meetings, apart from selected press under oath of keeping silent? That is, press majorily reporting only information them Bilderbergs wish to leak to the public, just to make it look like a legal institution! But it is not, as it hasn't practising it's secrecy for nothing! They are hiding ugly stuff from us!! Otherwise why would they be so secretive in the first place, if their Agenda would be all about peace and prosperity? It is not, otherwise they would be transparant about the matter.

These Bilderberg-members are also evil puppeteers besides the Economic Evil that Rockefeller-group is! The Bilderbergs might very well be the Executives where the Rockefellers are the Treasury! Can you prove me wrong there? The reason of keeping things secret, is for them obviously having something to hide from all of us!

If you wish to make me look like a plain conspiracy-fool, then I again remind you to open your eyes. If I should be called a conspiracy-theory believer, then let these secret organisations not be secret, and give me and everybody free access to what they are doing with our tax-money!!

How do you think these meetings are paid for? Why do you think these people involved often do not have to pay taxes, and sit in high locations within society, without any member not having high income:

Like the queen of Netherlands Beatrix holding responsibility for a nation, even attempted to overrule the publicly known, and democratically elected executive power that the Lower House and Cabinet are during last elections, trying to influence and rig in a sneaky way indirectly making people try to follow her own leftist agenda of doom! Ofcourse they want to get more people to flock to this nation, then they can use them to surpress us natives, and tax everybody who's within the nation's national borders!

History repeats itself: It is White Skin versus Indian all over again!! You know the natives lost about everything in the end. People of different religion, in this case Islam are being abused to make their evil Agenda come true, as we natives are not perfectly willing to do so, according to their desired speed. They wish to put that Agenda into reality all the sooner then later!! And war means profit, thus they wish to create conflict wherever possible!!

Ofcourse they now wish to see Ghadaffi gone, Ghadaffi is the gate-keeper, and now has effectively become the gaping breach in the wall on Europe's southern immigration-border! He indeed hás a influential weapon at his disposal: Masses of people willing to flood Europe to seek a better life for themselves, thus undermining their own home-nation's economy by running their nation empty, ánd also our own Social structures, causing taxes here to raise, for these people to be paid for aslong as they stay in our country.

Many eventually are deemed naturalized, but end up in allowance, for simply not willing to work because the systems allows for that, but only coming here because they can, and know how the system works here!!

Do you really believe the poverty-stricken people you see on television, like those hungry Africans are able to magically collect some money within their family/clan's ties, and drawing straws on who is to go to Europe or Australia, or US to milk money to send back home?

Do you really believe them economic-"refugees" who have fled the nation because their country is supposed to be at war, supposedly killing them by the masses, only to see these same "refugees" end up on holiday in the home-nation they turned their backs on?? Oh how they hated living there yes, every year they go on holiday back home for a few weeks in a row! Yes oh so dreadfull life them economic-"refugees" have!!

In the mean time, the native common joe here, has to work his ass off to pay for this obvious stupidity, with ever raising taxes, ever raising prices, as more has to be hauled in for more mouths to be fed all the time!!

Ghadaffi has a very capable weapon indeed: The abbility to promptly start an Economic Recession Europe wide!! Do not underestimate the impact of migrating people! The same would happen if all Yanks were to be emigrating to New Zealand tomorrow.. No room, not enough currency-power to maintain such situation for long, thus economic decline..

It's like putting 10 children on a two-persons swing! It goes wrong where the swing ultimately cannot handle the sheer weight anylonger, and comes crashing down hurting everybody in the proces..

This is a case of pure logic, nothing irrelevant here, and it's cause and consequence where one starts using their brains for once! Still wish to call me dumb or stupid? Any nation cannot last being a refugee-camp for the entire world to instantly and massively flock to! The region they originate from should be held accountable for taking care of them people. That lies within their own culture, near to their own identity and customs, within the sphere of their own religion, and practises.

Why do they seek a better life here, oftend ending up totally derailed and frustrated due to cultural differences, where these people are supposed to back-up their own nations once the war is over? You cannot swamp any region of the world, with refugees without expecting obvious problems as result, let alone single nation-states that already surpress their own people, under the false flag of being democratic! We are not asked if we wanted war with Libya, this is not wanted by the majority of Dutch people being fed up with war, there was no referenda held, and the last European referenda on the Constitution was voted no, but pushed through regardless!!!

Who is being surpressed again? I think we are, for we live in a nightmare disguised as a sweet dream, only to rudily be woken up half choking and gasping for air! Atleast those Libyans know they're surpressed openly, where we are not, but actually off worse, being secretly surpressed all the while in the mean time!!

I'd rather had Ghadaffi for a target to shoot at, then not knowing excactly who to morally target and effectively kill at all! An obvious clear target is always prefered over an obscured one! It's clear Ghadaffi is suddenly not good enough for their own Agenda no more, for now he can kiss his own ass goodbye! Yet he's still serving them a last time, making their Agenda one step closer to the final act they've planned for us all. An ever escalating war to deal with!

The Cold War has never stopped, neither did Nazi Blitzkrieg-esque tactics, remember in May 1940 Hitler also used his Fallschirmjaegers before he send in the tanks, in order to confuse "the enemy". This time religion is the tool, and domination still is the goal.. Where Hitler did not succeed in putting Europe under his lasting control, EU did!

And they too are inefficient and incapable of being up for the job, for they too meet clear resistance all over the place. Hitler had a clear goal: World Domination, but so is the current European Union with her expansion politics!

They force us all to work like underpaid slaves we are, whilst enriching themselves at the top, without any moral correct concience apart from lining their pockets as they go!! We are living in a Neo-Imperialistic Communist superstate of Europe, where Bilderberg and Rockefeller hand out the blankets puppetering everybody for their own gain!

This is why they wish to see all nation-states of Europe gone, to surpress the native people all the more!! You cannot deny the sluggish evil that too large organisations are, especially when they implement obviously failing stategy, like the EU parliament moving from Brussels to Strassbourg every week, which costs 2 million Euro's per single move!! And we at the bottom are paying for that, forced to swallow budgetary cuts as result!?

I'd fully understand why the majority of Libyans are still supporting Ghadaffi. Ofcourse they may not openly say whatever they want, but that is a small price to pay, for being forcefully fucked in the ass whilst you're vast asleep without knowing it, but happening to you all the while in the mean time!!

And yes, why are these rebels are toting European and US sold weapons?? Who had armed them?? Who is beneficial on short-term short-sighted policy of creating that war, and reap economic rewards from that? The Libyans?? Hah, no!! Not them, they do not see a dime more profit then under Ghadaffi's rule!! They have to deal with merely one clown at work, where we Europeans and U.S citizens alike have to deal with less funny, multiple clowns secretly fooling around behind the curtains here!

You cannot prove me wrong, for every U.S. President has had their own war to deal with, either starting one, sustaining one, or ending one! No exceptions whatsoever! All the same with Europe's nosey policy thinking of ever expanding, and trampling managable national sentiment and pride, shoving aside local customs and tradition, even forcing worse policy-rules down our throats!!

This you cannot deny, and you know it! As with the whole world, everything is mostly unknown linked and intertwined into one another. Nothing is totally void of influence from something different. Water shapes landscape, and landscape decides where water flows. It's always the lowest point, from peak to valley and beyond.

This is the case with Nature's scenery, with animals that live in group-hierarchy, and also the case with humans having underdogs and topdogs, where the masses are the former, and the elites are the latter minority.

We can talk about Libya here, all we want but sure we're also talking indirectly about our own future, when things are flooding in, by means of human tidalwaves in the form of economic-"refugees" heading our way..

Don't you underestimate our looming problem here, and we people of my own age have not asked for this, nor did we or anybody of the common people since 1945 have asked for this. As far as Nato goes: Nato is a treaty only valid if one of it's memberstates are attacked!

That means by fellow (former) memberstate, or a foreign non-Nato state! Libya might have attacked the UK and US by bombing a passenger airliner over Lockerbie back in 1988, but the retaliation of the UK towards Libya is a little bit overdue here!!

Yet as everything is linked together in this world, I do believe this is also one of the reasons the UK had quickly jumped on the war's bandwagon on a front-seat being all in for a ride!! You too know that back in 1988 it was far to dangerous for them to attack Libya, where they had the Soviets opposing them at Germany's inner-border!

They know if they'd attacked Libya, the Soviets likely would attack them in the rear, as troops were relocated for the war in Libya, thus leaving void space for the Soviets to grasp! That is why they did not attack Libya back in 1988!! They first had to get rid of the Soviets, and now are serving the bill to Ghadaffi in the end.

All ofcourse done only recently, since they wanted to milk Ghadaffi for his oil, and weapons-contracts he'd paid for! The man suddenly lost his use to them Imperialists! And if anybody has a rightfull nomenclature to be called Imperialistic it are them British. They had the largest sphere of Influence over the world during the Colony-times.

That is what the Yanks had up till 10 years ago, and what is slowly being replaced by China in the future, all the while with Islam serving as a War-horse pressed in between.. For they all damn well abuse those people to serve their convenience, pointing at thém as being the evil bastards! Better pay clear attention at your own "representatives" policy within your own nation my friend!! They fuck you in the arse whilst they're at it, and with you the entire world for aftercourse!!

This is no bickering about ideologie...we are trying to point out the ideologies behind this civil war in Libya. The way Ghadaffi ran its country was more in line with european socialim.

So the question is, who and what ideology fuels the Resistance? No word on that so far.

I think all this summed up above, pretty clearly show you atleast some answers to think about.. It's all pretty obvious I think.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Thani '82

[concurssi 11]

*snip*

There is absoultely no way I'm reading all that.

But the Third world war? Warmongering bankers?

I bet you said the same thing in 2003. Where is your world war three now?

[Tonci87 163]

^ agree on that

[dunedain 48]

I think all this summed up above' date=' [b']pretty clearly[/b] show you atleast some answers to think about.. It's all pretty obvious I think.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Damnit, you beat me to it. Your choice of picture was way better than mine though. :D

This is the first time (honestly) I've ever said this, but... tl;dr

[Rovka 14]

Well do as you wish, but when shit hits the fan in your own fine perfect nation I've warned you, and I hope you remember my words, for perhaps you would decide to combat evil earlier on, as opposed to what your own government wishes for you to patrioticaly slay in their name!

Ladies and gentlemen, we've landed safely, and are now approaching the tarmac, you can now remove your anal-plug, and be fucked in the arse as is required by local tradition, and safety policy for welcoming ritual. Welcome in the Democratic World: The secretly behaving party-committee politicians are queuing up densely already, just to get their own share of ordinary citizens to be fucked around and about! If only they told all of you the truth, you wouldn't laugh out loud anylonger..

And all of you think Ghadaffi is an evil man? Perhaps he is, but he kills his victims outright! Opposed to many citizens in pretentious democratic nations, to be fed taxes for breakfast, budgetary cuts for lunch, and a coffin for bed to permanently sleep in, due to huge increase of individuals living under the poverty-line! No pay, no say! You do not own anything but borrowed time.. Work all your life, to be distracted and pay the rising bills and taxes, all the while as more people get their own life gifted to them from their parents, only to keep on the tragic stupidity going on. per 3 seconds: Five people born, and Two deceasing as we speak! This is a factual figure scientifically calculated globe-wide!!

And you people would deny the problems to rise, and see a decrease as usual? Repetitive pattern thinking, and nothing but wishfull thinking indeed, but far from grim reality! We do not own the perfect solution as what Democracy is presented to be! We live in a lie, a dream that had turned into a nightmare for those who personally know what I'm talking about.. And hell doesn't automatically means you go about and join the forces, seeing a warzone up close and personal.. Not being able to pay the bills, and be attacked by fiscal-predators all about is hell in itself aswell.. They just don't grant you the light reaching into your eyes, if you do not meet their heavy requirements! Sleepwell folks, and onwards to the next Financial Recession. We all haven't learned a thing, for banks are still subsidized by the government, and actually be rewarded for their own wrong bet made, and failure is financed with your tax dollars! At home and abroad!! And oh how I talk nonsence eh!??

You know what great Recessions bring forth, Great wars indeed, nothing great about those, but the absolute suffering for all! And most of the deaths are non-combatants, for innosence is the first casualty of all wars waged!! Rather then enjoying bleeding civilians shown on television, where these are mainly filmed from rebel-standpoint point of view, without any heaps of corpses shown at the roads in the country, I feel you all are hypocrits if you opt to do so, how can you swallow your meal with such ease where most unknowingly growing numb to blood and gore like that?

Don't you people get it?? You're slowly prepared to get used to blood, gore, violence and war! That is what could be seen in Iraq, with the culture of random killing in line with music-tones played out loud to max to accompany the killing!! It's all fun and games eh!? Yes until you're handed a live grenade, that's about to go off, up close and personal for welcoming present.. First it's ooh and ahh, then the screaming and crying starts when shit hits the fan at home!! I do perfectly remember all the weeping hypocritical americans, then went on waging a war for "liberty". What's their little excuse now?? Saving people again, where they bomb others as usual?? Instead if inserting a Spec-Ops team to Tripoly, and eliminate Ghadaffi and his sons, they opt for waging war against the majority of Libyan population!! No these rebels do not want democracy, they wish to have a nation within a nation indeed! Any nation-state would use force against such a dangerous uprising, where assault-rifles are broadly shown in the open, and shots fired at governmental troops! Would happen here all the same! Why else do they like to beat up protesters with so much fun like that?? Why else are these US cops be mandated to be so trigger-happy? Does that solve crime alot more? No it triggers feelings of resentment and revenge. Force cannot be used at random, not at home, nor abroad! But the whole Libya issue here, is and stays to be an internal issue, to Libya to handle by themselves!! All we do now is creating more enemies to turn hostile against us, for our policy-makers decided to stick in their dicks again!!

Edited March 23, 2011 by Thani '82

[concurssi 11]

Of course, bro. I didn't really wanna say this but... that's a nice tin foil hat you have there, where'd you get it? I might have to look into getting one myself.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Maybe we should go easy on him. He is from the Netherlands after all, he's probably higher than an SR-71 right about now. ;)

[spooky lynx 73]

F15 crashed or shot down?

Reports indicate the pilots ejected at high altitude? why would they do that for mechanical failure?

what do you guys think?

If it fell due to some malfunction, as some more aircrafts in Iraq or Afghanistan, then I'd say that talibans or libyans don't need to use any AA defence - USAF ground crews will do all the work instead of them:p

[Big Mac 19]

If it fell due to some malfunction, as some more aircrafts in Iraq or Afghanistan, then I'd say that talibans or libyans don't need to use any AA defence - USAF ground crews will do all the work instead of them

At least we have the fuel to put our aircraft in the air....

[Rovka 14]

@Concurssi and Dark-Horse: Typically an ignorant foreign reaction, to instantly throw about stereotypes as usual.. *sarcasm alert*: Well yes we all do drugs, but we never want to sell it to ya, atleast not the best stuff, as we keep that away from you tourists and all for ourselves.. Wanna invade to get some for yourselves now???*end of sarcasm alert* ;);)

If anybody is on drugs, it's the oil-hungry addicted politicians, and not me or you guys being nothing but mere ordinary voting-cattle civilians!

Edited March 23, 2011 by Thani '82

[Baff1 0]

Don't you people get it?? You're slowly prepared to get used to blood' date=' gore, violence and war! [/quote']

Which hands down beats living our whole lives as pussies I guess.

I don't just want to be "used to" blood, gore, violence and war.

I want to be an expert it in it.

P.S. Goverments are still being subsidised by the banks.

A very few banks got subsidised by the government.

All governments get subsidised by the banks.

Not a very popular thing to say, I know. But ultimately still true.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Baff1

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

I don't just want to be "used to" blood, gore, violence and war.

I want to be an expert it in it.

:coop: :clap:

No smiley comes close to how I feel about that line, but this comibination comes close.