Libyan Air-force ordered to bomb protesters

[whisper 0]

Nah, nah, Ghaddafi is a fine leader.

He never financed terrorist activities nor paid the victims to try to pay this "debt".

He's not like that, everything he does is right, and if you hear something showing him doing bad, it's a lie. The only truth comes from lybian state press, after all, they are a state press at the order of the finest govt in the world

UN resolution being the wrong move, doesn't mean Libya's regime is perfect, faaaaar from it.

@Minutemen : don't tell me you're picturing US CSAR team going out of their chopper guns blazing on assembled civilians to get their pilot back on board? please...

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

The only truth comes from lybian state press, after all, they are a state press at the order of the finest govt in the world

Problem is though that the Russians and Chinese governments all seem to be watching Libyan state TV.

I would dearly love a feed from that channel just for the lols

[Spokesperson 0]

Saving this one for your next report on coalition fire on civvies, then.

It is no crime. That's why the US and other countries get away with it.

[Baff1 0]

As I see it, they have stoped a massacre in Bengasi, which whatever way you look at it, is good.

A praise worthy endeavour.

The question is can they quit while they are ahead, or will they find the temptation to wreak their revenge on Ghadaffi and all his supporters too strong to resist...

I expect them to end up killing as many as they save.

Twats who hang out in palaces are all the same.

[1in1class 0]

Nah, nah, Ghaddafi is a fine leader.

He never financed terrorist activities nor paid the victims to try to pay this "debt".

He's not like that, everything he does is right, and if you hear something showing him doing bad, it's a lie. The only truth comes from lybian state press, after all, they are a state press at the order of the finest govt in the world

UN resolution being the wrong move, doesn't mean Libya's regime is perfect, faaaaar from it.

@Minutemen : don't tell me you're picturing US CSAR team going out of their chopper guns blazing on assembled civilians to get their pilot back on board? please...

You keep saying all is good with Ghaddafi we all know not all is good! Look at US ways and how we do things.. naw there all good to right? Get on with that! It was the wrong move on are part to get in there with out knowing what his actions were for the people. Yet he is not fighting his people, they are reables. They got guns, there not protesters like you see over here lol. Lets see you bring an gun to an protest over here and see how far you get lol. If you look at the facts now, most of the UN that were for going after Ghaddafis army is now questioning there moto. Most Nations have already pulled out as they dont know what is what, as the US is now going under fire of this issue. Start reading the reports now, its an different ball game.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

You keep saying all is good with Ghaddafi we all know not all is good! Look at US ways and how we do things.. naw there all good to right? Get on with that! It was the wrong move on are part to get in there with out knowing what his actions were for the people. Yet he is not fighting his people, they are reables. They got guns, there not protesters like you see over here lol. Lets see you bring an gun to an protest over here and see how far you get lol. If you look at the facts now, most of the UN that were for going after Ghaddafis army is now questioning there moto. Most Nations have already pulled out as they dont know what is what, as the US is now going under fire of this issue. Start reading the reports now, its an different ball game.

Your inability to use the English language properly or even recognize deliberate irony has led me to dismiss your post out of hand without even reading it fully.

[jakerod 254]

Weapon at Protest

It is actually legal in some states in the U.S. to have a weapon at a protest. Although I don't think it is legal in all of the states.

[whisper 0]

You keep saying all is good with Ghaddafi we all know not all is good! Look at US ways and how we do things.. naw there all good to right? Get on with that! It was the wrong move on are part to get in there with out knowing what his actions were for the people. Yet he is not fighting his people, they are reables. They got guns, there not protesters like you see over here lol. Lets see you bring an gun to an protest over here and see how far you get lol. If you look at the facts now, most of the UN that were for going after Ghaddafis army is now questioning there moto. Most Nations have already pulled out as they dont know what is what, as the US is now going under fire of this issue. Start reading the reports now, its an different ball game.

And if you look at my posts, you'll see that I'm not exactly in favor of this intervention, to say the least.

But that doesn't mean I must bite for true every words of the state press of a goddam terrorist leader, tyvm!

You can bet the protest weren't armed at first. It's Gaddhafi repression which makes protesters going the arm way.

[binkster 0]

Sarcasam flew to high I guess?

[Beagle 684]

And if you look at my posts, you'll see that I'm not exactly in favor of this intervention, to say the least.

But that doesn't mean I must bite for true every words of the state press of a goddam terrorist leader, tyvm!

You can bet the protest weren't armed at first. It's Gaddhafi repression which makes protesters going the arm way.

Every word in your post also applies to King Faisal and saudi arabia. So when is the coalition of the bold going to Bomb Riad, Beijing, Berlin, Paris...or in other words every nation where violent riots occur on a regular basis?

[red oct 2]

the whole story of a helicopter indiscriminately shooting civilians isn't true. the guardian posted a update as to what happened.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/22/libya-air-strikes-live-updates

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Sarcasam flew to high I guess?

Went right over his head, me thinks.

[whisper 0]

Every word in your post also applies to King Faisal and saudi arabia. So when is the coalition of the bold going to Bomb Riad, Beijing, Berlin, Paris...or in other words every nation where violent riots occur on a regular basis?

/sigh

And if you look at my posts, you'll see that I'm not exactly in favor of this intervention, to say the least.

How can I be more clear?

EDIT : just a little clarification : neither your country nor mine send military to go kill some protesters, even when the protest turn into riot. None use foreign militia doing the dirty work for them.

Gaddhafi's regime does that.

So please could we stop parallels between Gaddhafi and Germany & Co? This is beyond ridiculous.

And before you jump on conclusions, no, I still don't agree with the UN resolution just by saying the above. But turning Gaddhafi into a saint just because the intervention is ill thought is ..... puhlease!

We stupidly are in this mess, question is now, how to get out?

Edited March 22, 2011 by whisper

[rangerpl 13]

Every word in your post also applies to King Faisal and saudi arabia. So when is the coalition of the bold going to Bomb Riad, Beijing, Berlin, Paris...or in other words every nation where violent riots occur on a regular basis?

The difference is that Sarkozy and Merkel aren't hiring foreign mercenaries to kill protesters.

[1in1class 0]

@TechnoTerrorist303

Lol the english card. Im sure you know what im saying. For the dismiss of my post lol your an funny guy in your words.

@Jakerod

Your right you can bare arms in most states in US as far as protesting go's, just not assault rifles and AA guns and you know.... i think you get the picture here.

In all words US jumped into this with out the whole picture being layed out. For more just look at how its going now, most nations that were for it are backed out now. At the sarcasam remarks naaa its just to much sarcasam from one person thats all.

[jakerod 254]

@TechnoTerrorist303

Lol the english card. Im sure you know what im saying. For the dismiss of my post lol your an funny guy in your words.

@Jakerod

Your right you can bare arms in most states in US as far as protesting go's, just not assault rifles and AA guns and you know.... i think you get the picture here.

In all words US jumped into this with out the whole picture being layed out. For more just look at how its going now, most nations that were for it are backed out now. At the sarcasam remarks naaa its just to much sarcasam from one person thats all.

For the record, the post that he was referring to was a bit hard to read because of improper grammar. I had to read it a few times. I did eventually understand what you were trying to say but it was more difficult than it needed to be. Additionally, good point on the aa guns. However, if you go to the link I sent, the guy in the photograph has an assault rifle. Anyway that is kind of beyond the point of this discussion.

What exactly are we arguing here again?

[1in1class 0]

For the record, the post that he was referring to was a bit hard to read because of improper grammar. I had to read it a few times. I did eventually understand what you were trying to say but it was more difficult than it needed to be. Additionally, good point on the aa guns. However, if you go to the link I sent, the guy in the photograph has an assault rifle. Anyway that is kind of beyond the point of this discussion.

What exactly are we arguing here again?

Sorry for the bad grammar, but i did check out that link and iv seen protester's that have been in the US with assault rifles and hand guns. My mistake on that part. Should of went an different way about that, but really im trying to get at is that the US protester that are carrying them guns are not rebl's nor an enemy of the state. Over there its different as its terrorist and reble's as they are enemys of libya. More facts are being brought out and more people are starting to see that this is not a good way for the US or the UN to get into as they dont know who is who and what role Gaddhafi is doing. Politics are alway's an arguing thing, i just had to point out that the US went into this with bad way's.

Do look at the link i post about china though, some crazy stuff as its an first on there part.

Edited March 23, 2011 by 1in1class

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Actually, the rebels are not "enemies of Libya". A country is defined by it's people. There would be no "America" with "Americans". There would be no "France" without "French", etc. etc.

The rebels ARE Libya, and Gaddafi is the enemy of Libya. The rebels are every day civilians. They are shopkeepers, farmers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and teenagers. They began protesting peacefully, but when Gaddafi responded to their peaceful protests with violence, they responded in kind.

If you adopt a kind, gentle, caring dog, and you do nothing but abuse it, it will turn on you. (I'm not saying that the Libyan people are kind/gentle/caring, and I'm not saying they are not, this is just a metaphor. :))

[1in1class 0]

Actually, the rebels are not "enemies of Libya". A country is defined by it's people. There would be no "America" with "Americans". There would be no "France" without "French", etc. etc.

The rebels ARE Libya, and Gaddafi is the enemy of Libya. The rebels are every day civilians. They are shopkeepers, farmers, doctors, lawyers, teachers, and teenagers. They began protesting peacefully, but when Gaddafi responded to their peaceful protests with violence, they responded in kind.

If you adopt a kind, gentle, caring dog, and you do nothing but abuse it, it will turn on you. (I'm not saying that the Libyan people are kind/gentle/caring, and I'm not saying they are not, this is just a metaphor. :))

Yes the rebels are the enemy as the Government as per say "Gaddafi's forces" are the one's who have been in control for years! Please look into this more it says it all for itself. You say the rebels are libya yet the US president does not even know the full story of the rebels nor does most of the nations that are in the conflict! I could go on and on about this... its just an conflict with in, and that country needs to find its way's by itself. He's trying to solve this with in. In one side there is to be an enemy thats war.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Well, considering Gaddafi is a brutal, ruthless, psychotic dictator, (who apparently has a fetish for "big boned" women :D), he needs to go. It doesn't matter if other countries help the people of Libya get rid of him or not, what matters is LIBYA wants Gaddafi gone. Not all of it, as there will always be two sides, but most average people seem to want Gaddafi gone.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Darkhorse 1-6

[Beagle 684]

Well, considering Gaddafi is a brutal, ruthless, psychotic dictator, (who apparently has a fetish for "big boned" women :D), he needs to go. It doesn't matter if other countries help the people of Libya get rid of him or not, what matters is LIBYA wants Gaddafi gone. Not all of it, as there will always be two sides, but most average people seem to want Gaddafi gone.

I consider Ghadaffi as one of the very few halfway sane and reasonable statesman in the arab world. He did rise the development level of Libya significanty, to Nr. 1 on african soil.

In fact this is in danger now and i have doubts that Libya or its people is the winner in the end. I rather guess its about selling Libya to the lowest bidder right now.

[celery 8]

I consider Ghadaffi as one of the very few halfway sane and reasonable statesman in the arab world. He did rise the development level of Libya significanty, to Nr. 1 on african soil.

In fact this is in danger now and i have doubts that Libya or its people is the winner in the end. I rather guess its about selling Libya to the lowest bidder right now.

Which current Arab leaders are worse than Gaddafi?

Here are some of his exploits:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi#In_power

[rangerpl 13]

I consider Ghadaffi as one of the very few halfway sane and reasonable statesman in the arab world. He did rise the development level of Libya significanty, to Nr. 1 on african soil.

In fact this is in danger now and i have doubts that Libya or its people is the winner in the end. I rather guess its about selling Libya to the lowest bidder right now.

Hitler fixed the German economy. Stalin industrialized the largest country in the world. Mao helped set the foundations for the ongoing industrialization of China.

Just because someone improves his country, doesn't mean that they are good.

[maturin 12]

And Ghaddafi did it by sitting in a fake bedouin tent goosing Swedish reporters while foreign companies pumped oil out of the ground. Please.

I consider Ghadaffi as one of the very few halfway sane and reasonable statesman in the arab world.

And like you, he genuinely does not seem to care whether people take him seriously.

[Beagle 684]

And Ghaddafi did it by sitting in a fake bedouin tent goosing Swedish reporters while foreign companies pumped oil out of the ground. Please.

And like you, he genuinely does not seem to care whether people take him seriously.

Well, after looking how Berlusconi rules Italy and Sarkozy tries to perform like Napoleon I can't see why Ghadaffi is any more insane as his best two Ex-Boyfrieds. Theyre in a same league..let's go invade Paris and Rome or what? It realy disgusting the way how the global player today treat the sovereignty of other countries just because "yes, we can!"

Is Iraq any batter today after executing Saddam Hussein? No!

Is Afghnistan any bettr today after installing Karsai, No!

It will turn out that this whole "war for freedom" is a sell off for the richness of Libya to the London City brokers.

Al over the world, even in the US the "quality" of a national leader is measured in the economical sucess under his rule.

Edited March 23, 2011 by Beagle