CM Operation Flashpoint 3 announced | "Oops, they're doing it again..."

[maddogx 13]

Now, here's why people throw around the 'fanboi' epithet. ...

:rolleyes:

Lost me right there. Kindergarten is closed.

[ricbar89 0]

My god please dont tell me people are getting worked up over Marines being called soldiers...they are.

[ben_s 11]

My god please dont tell me people are getting worked up over Marines being called soldiers...they are.

Of course people get worked up over a British company misnaming an American force by calling one of their precious Marines a 'Soldier'.

Which isn't unusual or slightly odd in any way.

[Cyper 18]

@flashpointredriver

Hey, my buddies and I are all big fans Operation Flashpoint. We're read that you guys work with the producers of Generation Kill, since you've already taken homages to the series, we were wondering if you could make a DLC that change the Marines' skins from all MARPAT to the Woodland MOPP Gear from the series, along with the Tri-Color DCU MARPAT mixture seen in the later episodes and PLA "Republican Guard" skins. We love both GK and OFP and would happily pay any price for it

360Nomad 4 hours ago

[MrBump 10]

My god please dont tell me people are getting worked up over Marines being called soldiers...they are.

I don't care what the marines like to call themselves, but the point is you think the RR devs would since their the ones masterbating so furiously with them in mind.

[ricbar89 0]

Of course people get worked up over a British company misnaming an American force by calling one of their precious Marines a 'Soldier'.

Which isn't unusual or slightly odd in any way.

They're not misnaming them though, a marine is a type of soldier, a naval soldier.

This preciousness over "Marines not being soldiers" is just a dumb fad that as far as i know is a total non-issue with everyone (including other Marine forces) but the US Marine Corp.

[Zipper5 74]

Metro.co.uk posted a review for Red River, but had it pulled due to the review embargo. It gave it a score of 60, and a summary was saved on Metacritic:

Offensive both in terms of language and diluted potential, although saved to a degree by its strong team-based action.

Now the question becomes - why were the 7/10 OXM and the 8/10 PSM reviews allowed to be published? :rolleyes:

[MrBump 10]

They're not misnaming them though, a marine is a type of soldier, a naval soldier.

This preciousness over "Marines not being soldiers" is just a dumb fad that as far as i know is a total non-issue with everyone (including other Marine forces) but the US Marine Corp.

Yeah, men who work under the threat of death tend to get precious over their dumb fads, funny that. I remember reading EB Sledge saying he was proud to be called a marine and distinct from a soldier.

[celery 8]

Marines are soldiers just like anyone else. Problem?

[MrBump 10]

Marines are soldiers just like anyone else. Problem?

Are you actually reading this thread? No one said they weren't, but there was the 'precious fad' amongst the US marines that they weren't.

Problem?

Edited April 19, 2011 by MrBump

[4 IN 1 0]

Uncle Sam's Marine fellows will get quite upset if you address them simply as "soldiers", thats the buttom line

[celery 8]

Are you actually reading this thread?

Yes, I am. You'd do well to look up the definition of a soldier, because marines fit the description. Marines getting ruffled up over someone calling them soldiers just makes them look like knuckleheads.

[Zipper5 74]

Uncle Sam's Marine fellows will get quite upset if you address them simply as "soldiers", thats the buttom line

Yes. No matter if you believe Marines = soldiers, Marines themselves will take offense to that and when you're making a game revolving around the Marines, you would think you would take care with such matters unless the purpose is to piss off actual Marines that may play the game.

[MrBump 10]

Yes, I am. You'd do well to look up the definition of a soldier, because marines fit the description. Marines getting ruffled up over someone calling them soldiers just makes them look like knuckleheads.

Since you're so carefully reading this thread you can show me where I stated that marines weren't soldiers. My point was that there was this idea in the US marines that they are different from soldiers. Shouldn't be that hard to comprehend.

Edited April 19, 2011 by MrBump

[celery 8]

Since you're so carefully reading this thread you can show me where I stated that marines weren't soldiers. My point was that there was this idea in the US marines that they're different from soldiers.

When I stated that marines are soldiers, I wasn't addressing you.

[Pulverizer 1]

Marines themselves will take offense to that

They're not making the game for marines or soldiers, so why should it matter? It's not like they did it on purpose or anything.

You guys are such fucking drama queens when it comes to CM's games.

[MrBump 10]

When I stated that marines are soldiers, I wasn't addressing you.

Then what was the point of your post, to agree with me?

I'm glad we're in agreement. :)

[sic-disaster 311]

Everybody in the armed forces is a soldier, wether a Marine, a SF commando, armoured infantry or the paramedic.

It is stupid to get mad about a petty thing like a Marine being referred to as a soldier. It is idle pride and serves nothing but the ego.

I'm sure our Dutch Commando's do not complain when they are being referred to as soldiers, because they are. They just have different training and a different purpose than other soldiers, but they are still soldiers.

[celery 8]

Then what was the point of your post, to agree with me?

I'm glad we're in agreement. :)

My point was to provoke anyone who disagrees with the notion or gets offended by it. Marines are soldiers no matter how you look at it, and the self-made distinction is childish at best.

[Tonci87 163]

Jesus, could we get back on that game?

[MrBump 10]

Everybody in the armed forces is a soldier, wether a Marine, a SF commando, armoured infantry or the paramedic.

It is stupid to get mad about a petty thing like a Marine being referred to as a soldier. It is idle pride and serves nothing but the ego.

I'm sure our Dutch Commando's do not complain when they are being referred to as soldiers, because they are. They just have different training and a different purpose than other soldiers, but they are still soldiers.

Have you read EB Sledge's book though, he's not like these hoorah stereotypes that CM is pushing, you actually understand why he feels proud to be a marine during the Pacific war... and he doesn't think like that to disrepect the army guys.

It's probably just natural to feel that your outfit, armed service or national military organization is special. :)

[Richey79 10]

You guys are such fucking drama queens when it comes to CM's games.

Yup.

However, when the CM 'embargo' on honest reviews lifts and they're left with reviews of 6/10 across the board, it will still be a shit game, and I will still be deeply offended that the homophobic morons have included words like 'fag' in the game just to garner a few extra sales.

Of course, in the reality of most consumers, this score will really equate to more like 4/10.

[sic-disaster 311]

It's probably just natural to feel that your outfit, armed service or national military organization is special. :)

Ofcourse :)

It is an age-old discussion where people in combat-roles look down on people in non-combat roles, and the various arms of the army always foul-mouth eachother. Commando's take flak from Marines, Marines take flak from Commando's, infantry will say they'll just hide and shoot from cover when encountering a tank, while the tank guys say they'll just run over their squishy adverseries.

However, this should always be done in a good-natured way, and to get angry at being called a soldier is just plain stupidity. As i said, everybody in the armed forces is, on the bottom line, a soldier: a fighter, wether you are actually killing the enemy or fighting to save lifes in an ambulance or directing the various companies back at HQ.

In the end, everybody has to work together, and getting angry at being called a soldier shows a serious lack of respect for other armed forces.

That is idle pride, negative pride. There is nothing wrong with being proud of belonging to a unit as it strengthens the resolve and improves morale, but it should not get in the way of combat effectiveness ("We are Marines, we will not receive help from the Army even if it kills me! Oohra!"-attitude)

As said above, it is childish. Not only childish, but dangerously so.

But no, i haven't read Sledge's book though i might in the future.

I'm more interested in the first World War though, and have read several books from soldiers from that era.

Reading through Somme Mud by Australian Private Lynch, which is basically a war diary written in first person, i encountered a very interesting story which has to do a lot with the subject of pride.

Apparently during one assault they encountered a severely-wounded German soldier from i believe a Bavarian regiment who was chained to his machine-gun post which was dug in and immobile.

He had received several gunshot wounds and passed out. On waking up he was questioned by the Australian soldiers, and he told them that in the history of his regiment not one soldier had fled from battle.

He did not want to be the first, and fleeing became a bigger fear than dying.

So, he chained himself to his MG-emplacement to prevent himself from fleeing.

During the assault he was hit multiple times but kept on firing untill the lack of blood made him pass out.

He survived though, and became a POW. The Australians lost many men to this man, but on hearing his story they didnt kill him out of respect for his commitment to his regiment. I guess they could relate to him :)

Edited April 19, 2011 by SiC-Disaster

[celery 8]

I will still be deeply offended that the homophobic morons have included words like 'fag' in the game just to garner a few extra sales.

Having a character say something rarely reflects the views of the writer. That's just how the character was made. As a personal tip, you should stop getting offended by everyday speech and modes of expression, lest you'll pop a vein one day.

[ACPL Jon 68]

Having a character say something rarely reflects the views of the writer.

Yep. In todays world usually reflect views of the marketing specialists.