CM Operation Flashpoint 3 announced | "Oops, they're doing it again..."

[Richey79 10]

Ok .... I will rethink my thoughts over... But I still think its overpriced for what little it gives you that the community doesn't already give for free.

This is like arguing that Bis should be punished for providing mod tools for their game.

If you want to encourage game devs to open up their game environments to the player base, you have to cut them some slack when it comes to comparing what they produce within a limited time-span, having to pay staff by the hour, with what the community produce in their free time. It is convenient to have all these features added to the game engine in high-quality form without having to have thirty different mods installed, too.

As an example of the way most developers behave, most of the new features in Modern Warfare 2 were 'stolen' from a MW1 mod - it's incredibly common for this to happen. Bis at least acknowledge it when they take inspiration from community mods. It is convenient to have all these features added to the game engine in high-quality form without having to have thirty different mods installed, too.

The market's in a situation where EA are instructing their development teams to make sure their games don't provide too much longevity, so gamers will be ready to respond when the hype machine next starts-up. A developer like CM prevents all modability so that they will have a captive market for DLC and to foster a situation where players don't question what they are given.

In this market, what message do you want to send to one of the few companies that still encourages modding and provides the tools to do it?

That being said, if you're on a tight budget, you can do without BAF for the time being. Fun as it is, you can rustle yourself up a high quality UK-faction using community-made stuff.

[sic-disaster 311]

And is it just me or does the soldier guy on the top left of sprocket look hilariously constipated?

Not as funny as the soldier on the right with his 'Hurr durr durr'-facial expression :p

[CW001 10]

Not as funny as the soldier on the right with his 'Hurr durr durr'-facial expression :p

I assumed that was a woman first time I saw it :j:

Then I looked closer and it was like DERP.

[vilas 477]

Hmmm, OA+BAF pack is still going to be alot of money (for me). Hence why I will see things as overpriced when you wont. lol

OA+BAF is going to be about £35, which Is still too high for me. :P

than count yourself it will be used for YEARS not HOURS like other games

BIS products are very very cheap comparing to time you use it

they are worthy at least twice or more than they are

[Zipper5 74]

Ben, please point out an already-made community addon that simulates FLIR to the same degree that OA does it, a complete pack of British units that have been standardized and used widely online, working infrared lasers, weapons with multiple view-ports, whisper voices, and fully-voiced, high-quality campaigns, SP missions and MP missions. Get my point? Has any of that actually been done by the community? Hell, with the vanilla Arma 2 engine limitations some of them aren't even possible without having serious flaws. I'd hardly call it over-priced to open such a wide door like OA has. You don't even have to buy the BAF DLC to use it, BAF Lite was given for free in 1.54.

"That guy's" one response to someone pointing out what Arma 2 and OA do better than DR and RR is always something to do with the opinion that it takes a monster rig to handle it. That simply leads me to believe he's expecting way too much out of a game of this scale, or his PC is ancient, because even entry-to-mid-range PCs can run OA nowadays on, at minimum, the lowest settings. I bet he expects a fluid 60 FPS on an old Intel Dual Core with maxed out settings, because DR gives him that or something. :rolleyes:

Edited September 19, 2010 by Zipper5

[ben_s 11]

Ben, please point out an already-made community addon that simulates FLIR to the same degree that OA does it, a complete pack of British units that have been standardized and used widely online, working infrared lasers, weapons with multiple view-ports, whisper voices, and fully-voiced, high-quality campaigns, SP missions and MP missions. Get my point? Has any of that actually been done by the community? Hell, with the vanilla Arma 2 engine limitations some of them aren't even possible without having serious flaws. I'd hardly call it over-priced to open such a wide door like OA has. You don't even have to buy the BAF DLC to use it, BAF Lite was given for free in 1.54.

"That guy's" one response to someone pointing out what Arma 2 and OA do better than DR and RR is always something to do with the opinion that it takes a monster rig to handle it. That simply leads me to believe he's expecting way too much out of a game of this scale, or his PC is ancient, because even entry-to-mid-range PCs can run OA nowadays on, at minimum, the lowest settings. I bet he expects a fluid 60 FPS on an old Intel Dual Core with maxed out settings, because DR gives him that or something. :rolleyes:

Its expensive for me. :D

But yeah, I will eventually get it.

It doesn't work that well on my "low" end PC. :p

[cossack8559 10]

@Ben

Because you personally cannot afford the game right now, that makes its an overpriced waste of space? to be honest i don't know why you still post on here mate... most of your comments on the other forum about Arma2 are negative... comments such as the a.i never actually doing anything other than standing still in fire fights? wtf.

I know it can be frustrating having a pc that cannot cope well with these type of games but can you honestly say that Arma2+OA are not worth the money? i would pay 30 quid for the editor alone... being able to create any mission i want using tanks,troops,jets,choppers,ships(mods) and then being able to play that mission with friends in coop! worth EVERY penny.

[ben_s 11]

@Ben

Because you personally cannot afford the game right now, that makes its an overpriced waste of space? to be honest i don't know why you still post on here mate... most of your comments on the other forum about Arma2 are negative... comments such as the a.i never actually doing anything other than standing still in fire fights? wtf.

I know it can be frustrating having a pc that cannot cope well with these type of games but can you honestly say that Arma2+OA are not worth the money? i would pay 30 quid for the editor alone... being able to create any mission i want using tanks,troops,jets,choppers,ships(mods) and then being able to play that mission with friends in coop! worth EVERY penny.

Yeah, It is fustrating. I just stand by my point thats its still quite a lot for stuff that has already been added into the game by mods (whatveer quality the mods are)

But I'm still sure its worth money, Just not as much as it is to me right now.

[SASrecon 0]

ffs get a job and quit moaning then...

[Zipper5 74]

FLIR without OA was simply a Photoshop texture overlay and did not work realistically at all. Lights on weapons were usually just a light object setPos'd onto the weapon with an update position loop. IR lasers and strobes were never accomplished. Multiple optics on one weapon were also not accomplished without some form of an ammo bug. And we're not even talking about all the new functions BIS introduced, including the dynamicText, AAN Overlay, and many other functions.

Show me a mod that had OA's features before OA was released.

[Pain0815 10]

Yeah, It is fustrating. I just stand by my point thats its still quite a lot for stuff that has already been added into the game by mods (whatveer quality the mods are)

Whats the problem?

BIS added things the community wanted to have. In earlier arma/opf games, those things were added by mods.

BIS took the most important features/ideas out of some mods and vbs1/2 for their new game. So now all have those features out of the box without need for mods of those things.

BUT look, now other mods will come which adress other things and bring other features. Its a endless circle.

Arma is like whine wine (edit hehe) it becomes better over time.

But your DR and RR is/will be like milk, you need to drink it fast before it gets ugly.

On the other side codemasters dont bring in such new things, they cut off old features like ME and stuff, hehe.

I bet you never saw any good mods for arma in action. you never played with ace2, because it will reduce your 3 fps to 0.

Get a good pc and co. ask your parents or go work in school holidays.

You compare arma to other things like DR or vbs but you have no clue where the diffrents are, because you never really played one of them except dr.

Edited September 20, 2010 by Pain0815

[Deadfast 43]

Arma is like whine it becomes better over time.

I have to disagree. Whining gets old very fast :D

[Pain0815 10]

english isnt my native language, some mistakes i dont see. thanks i changed it

Edited September 20, 2010 by Pain0815

[vilas 477]

TemplarGFX you might be interested to know that the experienced staff at I MEF Warfare Simulation Systems are currently using your Operation Flashpoint Dragon Rising modifications to facilitate infantry training in preference of VBS.

wanna source ???

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/general-discussion-1335/426334-truth.html

i laughed my ass reading this

[Zipper5 74]

Yeah, we saw that a while back. I'm pretty sure that guy was just trolling given his informality when discussing the matter, and considering he's only got 4 posts.

[Pain0815 10]

@ ben_s

with your old pc i suggest you get vietcong 1 + addon.

Really good tactical shooter. It got pvp (32) and coop up to 6 man. in sp you have a fireteam.

And its much better than DR. play in vietnam mode online, and turn off hud and crosshairs for singleplayer.

it should run fine with your pc on max settings

It has features like peak out of cover while aiming your weapon like dr, but its overall much much much better.

Shit i think im gonna install it now, hehe

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Edited September 20, 2010 by Pain0815

[Deadfast 43]

english isnt my native language, some mistakes i dont see. thanks i changed it

Neither is mine and I'm sorry if I gave you the impression I was picking on you. I merely found the type entertaining :)

[vilas 477]

Ben acts like paid by CM :/

saying that Arma is too expensive, he dont mind that it is YEARS of use, not HOURS

other games are few hours, few days fun

and if you have few years old PC , than don't moan on game released last year

if i had PC from (for example) 2005 i couldnt moan on game from 2009

Arma2 is worth more than it costs, no doubt

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and i am still angry CM call their game OFPs :/ this title should stick to BIS company, not CM

one thing i can't understant - are those ass licking voices on other forum are real people or marketing workers

Edited September 20, 2010 by vilas

[ricbar89 0]

Eh bit of a mix up i think? Nevermind.

Edited September 20, 2010 by ricbar89

[ben_s 11]

Ben acts like paid by CM :/

saying that Arma is too expensive, he dont mind that it is YEARS of use, not HOURS

other games are few hours, few days fun

and if you have few years old PC , than don't moan on game released last year

if i had PC from (for example) 2005 i couldnt moan on game from 2009

Arma2 is worth more than it costs, no doubt

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and i am still angry CM call their game OFPs :/ this title should stick to BIS company, not CM

one thing i can't understant - are those ass licking voices on other forum are real people or marketing workers

lol

If Cm paid me I wouldn't be playing DR, thats for sure. :)

Anyway, Yes. We've gone over this many times before in both forums. CM doesn't really have any buisness calling it OFP when its nothing of the such.

[sic-disaster 311]

If that is really your opinion, then i must wonder why you keep supporting them in this?

[ben_s 11]

If that is really your opinion, then i must wonder why you keep supporting them in this?

It was a joke. :rolleyes:

[ben_s 11]

Tim has got around to posting pictures of the dev team now.

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/general-discussion-1335/424987-meet-devs.html

Enjoy info about the 2 random guys he posted. It seems he doesn't want to put his own pic up for fears it might end up in Myshaak's sig. :D

[Tonci87 163]

Oh no, they are really doing it again? I can´t wait for the Shitstorm after Realease, the old DR Thread in this Forum is just hillarious

[Zipper5 74]

I'd have thought for a game trying to be partially realistic their first two dev members would have been interested in realism, or consulting for them on the realism aspects, to give perhaps some clarification that they are actually planning on making it at least slightly realistic.

Instead, in typical Codemasters fashion, we get people working on an OFP game who's inspiration comes from L4D and TF2, and none of their interests state anything relating to realism, or even the military.

Nice......

FPDR