War with Iran.

[*LK1* 10]

That's what happens when bodies lie in the sun, but let's blame it on smoke.

ehhhhhh?lol....i don't think so.

we are not talking about the natural decomposition of bodies.these bodies are fused.

and when you are using some stuff to illuminate targets you don't need to put a mask on your face...

come on the idea that WP is used just to illuminate targets is a big bullshit.

Edited July 15, 2010 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[Blackhawk 0]

Even though Iran is about half way around the world from the US, I think that the US should be able to launch an invasion with considerable ease. They have an airbase on Diego Garcia which is pretty close to Iran.

If an invasion took place while the US is still in Iraq, than they could just use that land border to invade. There are really no US allies that border Iran that would let the US place an invasion force on their lands, this means that it is highly probable that the US would perform an amphibious assault supported by the para drops behind the beachhead.

The Iranian army really isn't that great, if they had any chance to repel an invasion, they would have to try and destroy the original landing force before the US unloaded heavy equipment. This would be hard with the USAF and the USN providing round the clock support.

[dm 9]

ever heard about fallujah?us army has used the white

phosphorus (aka willie pete) which can be considerated a sort of chemical/biological weapon.

Yay, its legendkiller with his well-informed opinions on military equipment :rolleyes:

I'm so sick of hearing that WP is a chemical weapon.

10 Chars of this.

It might be quite horrific, but its not a weapon of mass destruction. And thats the key difference.

[HyperU2 11]

ehhhhhh?lol....i don't think so.

we are not talking about the natural decomposition of bodies.these bodies are fused.

and when you are using some stuff to illuminate targets you don't need to put a mask on your face...

come on the idea that WP is used just to illuminate targets is a big bullshit.

I've been in WP smoke without a mask and I'd gladly do it again. It's not just used for ilum, it's great for screening too. As far as anti personnel though give me proximity fused HE any day. WP for killing is a waste of a fire mission. Those idiot soldiers are acting like the smoke is what burns you, not the element. They're also making it up as they go along though so who cares?

[*LK1* 10]

Yay, its legendkiller with his well-informed opinions on military equipment :rolleyes:

oh yeah you really proved on the other thread that you are well informed too :rolleyes:

do you know how many bullshit you have said on the other thread.i'm gonna show you on the proper thread.

oh well in fact i've already showed you but you are ignoring everything you dont like.

anyway these are not opinions are proofs toke from a documentary and they show even 2 marines

talking about the WP and is real utilization.and also in the wikipedia link i give you 1 or 2 post abowe is written that WP is used in incendiary shells.

10 Chars of this.

It might be quite horrific, but its not a weapon of mass destruction. And thats the key difference.

you usually give 10 chars to everyone that think on your same way,you are genious really.

but....i have putted in evidence the western hypocrisy 1 more time:the only nation which want to prevent iran to have nuclear weapon is the nation which has used the bomb.and this nation which has made a war for finding biological/chemical weapon is the nation which has used these weapons in iraq.

there isn't any key difference since i don't have talk about WP as a mass destruction weapon :)

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I've been in WP smoke without a mask and I'd gladly do it again. It's not just used for ilum, it's great for screening too. As far as anti personnel though give me proximity fused HE any day. WP for killing is a waste of a fire mission. Those idiot soldiers are acting like the smoke is what burns you, not the element. They're also making it up as they go along though so who cares?

eh?if you can use,with a proper dosage,WP as great screening, it doen't mean that you can't use that element also as a weapons as you "guys" did in fallujah.

you alterate the element and you mix that element with other elements and you have a weapon.

telling that WP,in iraq,was used only to illuminate target ecc. is a big bullshit.

p.s. i can't know if you were a marines for real or you are just inventing an example to turn the truth on your hands...leave your personal experience away plz.we are talking about evidences and facts.not about personal experiences and opinions.

do you know how many "soldiers" and experts( like DM..) i've found on my personal experience on the net?

[Placebo 29]

Do not bother replying to him, thanks.

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[HyperU2 11]

I don't like to talk about my service online for that very reason but it's hard to leave out personal experience when you know something is conspiracy BS.

[Placebo 29]

Deleted replies to him, as I said, pointless.

[dm 9]

Aww, but now everybody who reads the last few posts in this thread will be under the impression that WP is a chemical weapon :(

:Sad Panda:

[eble 3]

Even though Iran is about half way around the world from the US, I think that the US should be able to launch an invasion with considerable ease. They have an airbase on Diego Garcia which is pretty close to Iran.

If an invasion took place while the US is still in Iraq, than they could just use that land border to invade. There are really no US allies that border Iran that would let the US place an invasion force on their lands, this means that it is highly probable that the US would perform an amphibious assault supported by the para drops behind the beachhead.

The Iranian army really isn't that great, if they had any chance to repel an invasion, they would have to try and destroy the original landing force before the US unloaded heavy equipment. This would be hard with the USAF and the USN providing round the clock support.

The US is in no position to launch a ground war in Iran with roops in Iraq and Afghanistan, they simply do not have the numbers, to do the job right in Iran you would need something like 200-250k troops.

where are these spare us troops? fact is until Iraq or Afghanistan is over no ground war could happen in Iran.

Don't be confused between what the Iraqi army was able to field vs what the Iranian could, yes the ability of the Iranians defend themselves would be limited but still would be far superior to what the Iraqi's did.

If your old enough like me :) you would know it took 30 days of constant bombing to take out the Iraqi war machine in 1991.

Iran is a much much larger country with a vast amount of weapons in the hands of people:

The Basij is a paramilitary volunteer force controlled by the Islamic Revolutionary Guards. Its membership is a matter of controversy. Iranian sources claim a membership of 12.6 million, including women, of which perhaps 3 million are combat capable. There are a claimed 2,500 battalions of which some are full-time personnel.[7] Globalsecurity.org quotes a 2005 study by the Center for Strategic and International Studies estimating 90,000 active-duty full-time uniformed members, 300,000 reservists, and a total of 11 million men that can be mobilized if need be.

The figures might be out a bit but either way that a lot of weapons.

[Blackhawk 0]

The US is in no position to launch a ground war in Iran with roops in Iraq and Afghanistan, they simply do not have the numbers, to do the job right in Iran you would need something like 200-250k troops.

The US can call upon almost 1 million personal in their armed forces. Only 186,000 of those are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

where are these spare us troops?

In America.

If your old enough like me :) you would know it took 30 days of constant bombing to take out the Iraqi war machine in 1991

Iraq's army was one of the largest in the world during 1991 so it was inevitable that a bombing campaign would take a long time.

As for the paramilitary force, I can imagine only a few of them would voluntary fight any NATO invasion, most of them would just throw their weapons away. Actually, the Iranians say 11 million can be mobilised, independent research shows it is probably only 1 million men.

Edited July 15, 2010 by Blackhawk

[dm 9]

The US can call upon almost 1 million personal in their armed forces

And by no means are all of them combat troops.

While on the surface it looks like the US has a massive army, their actual combat force is about 1/5th (maybe less) the size of the total.

[Blackhawk 0]

And by no means are all of them combat troops.

While on the surface it looks like the US has a massive army, their actual combat force is about 1/5th (maybe less) the size of the total.

In total there is still about 200,000 spare troops in the US, although, I doubt the US would leave only National Guard and Reserves guarding the country.

[Nicholas 5]

Iran and North Korea = problem countries. It's going to happen someday. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in 5 years. Someday. The US might not have the numbers, but they sure do have the technology and firepower.

Edited July 15, 2010 by Nicholas

[echo1 0]

Aww, but now everybody who reads the last few posts in this thread will be under the impression that WP is a chemical weapon :(

:Sad Panda:

Negative, it's a biological weapon

[Big Mac 19]

I don't like to talk about my service online for that very reason but it's hard to leave out personal experience when you know something is conspiracy BS.

No you just like to troll around and act like a 12 year old instead of a vet....

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And by no means are all of them combat troops.

While on the surface it looks like the US has a massive army, their actual combat force is about 1/5th (maybe less) the size of the total.

Yea there are more pogs than combat troops.

[HyperU2 11]

No you just like to troll around and act like a 12 year old instead of a vet....

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Yea there are more pogs than combat troops.

Still yapping troll? Get a mirror. The first few months of a war with Iran would be AF and Navy, they're not all that busy right now.

[Big Mac 19]

Still yapping troll? Get a mirror. The first few months of a war with Iran would be AF and Navy, they're not all that busy right now.

Yea I'm sure the cooks and clerks will go behind enemy lines to deny the Iranians the use of pots and paperclips.. You obviously don't know what a pog is and the AF and Navy are pretty busy now, ever hear of CAS? They're doing that almost everyday in Ghany... Edited July 15, 2010 by Big Mac

[HyperU2 11]

One carrier can provide enough CAS there, but it's mostly A10's and Apaches. We do have other carriers last I checked. We're barely fighting in Iraq anymore and it's a nice staging area. Hell they can fly over Afghanistan and bomb Iran, strafe Helmand on the way home.

[TangoRomeo 10]

aiaiaiaiaiai even if you are in truth you are an anti-american so dont post these things 1 moretime.

or i'll report you

;)

I´m as much against illegitimate and immoral actions undertaken by the US Gvt. present and past, as i´m against our own. Doesn't make me anti-american or anti-german - i´m just not cheerleading it.

[Baff1 0]

One carrier can provide enough CAS there, but it's mostly A10's and Apaches.

No it can't.

Carriers would be denied access to the Persian gulf by Iran's submarines, mines and landbased silkworms and ballistic missiles.

Carriers must hang back well beyond a 90 mile range for silkworms.

Iran is a huge country and carrier based aircraft will only have a very limited use. Not that the U.S. does not have access to a plethora of land based airstrips surrounding Iran, (I think we could reasonably expect them to achieve air superiority or air domination quite quickly), but just that the carriers are not going to be highly effective in this particular scenario.

Carriers will become less and less useful against modern nations as time moves on. Shipbuster missiles are too lethal, too advanced and too cheap.

Edited July 15, 2010 by Baff1

[dm 9]

Club K in da hizouse

[maturin 12]

Still yapping troll? Get a mirror. The first few months of a war with Iran would be AF and Navy, they're not all that busy right now.

I read some report, they could at least make the Persian Gulf hell with swarms of small boats carrying SLBMs.

[Blackhawk 0]

No it can't.

Carriers would be denied access to the Persian gulf by Iran's submarines, mines and landbased silkworms and ballistic missiles.

With the amount of US destroyers surrounding the carriers, I doubt that subs could get anywhere near them. Minesweepers in front of the taskforce to clear any mines, so mines won't be a problem. The missiles will probably be located and destroyed by Special Forces with laser designators as in Iraq. Although, I'm not too sure on how many missiles Iran has.

[HyperU2 11]

We can seal that Gulf shut and fly over Saudi Arabia if need be. :)