Aliens vs Predator

[PogMoThoin 10]

I've tried to get into STALKER a few times but it just doesn't take. Maybe I'll give it another try :)

Play the first, then revisit it with the Oblivion Lost mod, absolutely amazing, it balances the weapons and speeds up some of the mundane tasks and gives a whole new life to the game. STALKER has its own modding community (not as big as ArmA), some of the models have been ported into ArmA 2

[bangtail 0]

Play the first, then revisit it with the Oblivion Lost mod, absolutely amazing, it balances the weapons and speeds up some of the mundane tasks and gives a whole new life to the game. STALKER has its own modding community (not as big as ArmA), some of the models have been ported into ArmA 2

As I remember, it's the damage model that was one of my major issues with it (having to shoot people multiple times).

I'm going to install the original a little later and give it another spin.

I'll check that mod out as well :)

[vilas 477]

http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/08/avp.jpg

AVP (funny)

[Bulldogs 10]

I always had trouble getting into the Stalkers. I bought the first game when it came out, and hated it. Tried it again 1 year later, thought it was better but still didn't like it. Played it again with oblivion lost and it's a lot better, still not as good as I had hoped it'd be, but not bad.

Clear Sky was a crime to humanity. They basically just threw BF2 on top of the stalker world. It's a little more story based but it still felt like I was doing nothing and achieving nothing. Kept trying to love it but couldn't.

Been playing COP. It's a lot better than the first 2 and I don't mind it. There's some thing's a still don't like (why do you always have to be so inaccurate at the start of the game?), but it's pretty good. Really feels a lot more like you're living in a dynamic world, like the first game was always meant to be before all the features were stripped.

That said, I haven't gotten too far into COP yet because it keeps crashing on me... should wait for a patch.

[vilas 477]

i have seen AVP trailer on Youtube, super looking world, graphics, plants

please show more about AVP3 :]

[Barely-injured 0]

Angry Joe AVP review, very interesting lol

http://angryjoeshow.com/?p=6514#more-6514

[Big Dawg KS 6]

For those who are complaining about the ballistics in the Stalker series, they are easy fixed with mods (PM me if you want any good suggestions). But this thread is about AvP...

[vilas 477]

o i have seen AVP3 today in stores in my country, think this is for me somekind of "must" :)

i hope "godmode" cheats work :]

i played OFP / Arma without, but AVP, RTCW - always, cause i 'd rather want fun than stress "ooo will i survive mission" ;]

edit:

i haven't found cheats :( so i will wait with buying till i will find godmode to enjoy environment/maps

Edited February 22, 2010 by vilas

[riffleman 20]

i played one,but did not know which one

[nomdeplume 0]

I bought AvP off Steam on Saturday and played it for a few hours... I was surprised at the graphics, they didn't seem very current-gen. In particular, the way the aliens sink into the ground with the particle acid effects around them looks really, really dated. I'm not usually very concerned with graphics (I'm still playing Falcon 4, after all) but this is the kind of game where I expected to be blown away by the shiny, since there's not all that much substance elsewhere.

I played some of the marine campaign first, then got annoyed when I got stuck at the first boss fight. After you die you can restart from the last checkpoint, and they also have an option to change the difficulty. I thought that was thoughtful of them, so after dying a few times decided to drop the difficulty down - and suddenly found myself way back in the level. So then I decided I couldn't be bothered replaying the level - I bought it for the Predator gameplay, after all. The Marine campaign isn't bad, but it's nothing particularly special either. Aliens are fast and tough enough to soak up a few bullets, so you're perpetually low on ammunition which does get a bit tiring. I also found the muzzle flash from the rifle to be annoying as it obscured what I was shooting at ... but maybe that's just me.

Played some of the Predator campaign as well, and I'm impressed that it's actually a very different kind of gameplay. As a Marine you're always reacting to attacks while being led by the nose by your friend on the radio. As the Predator you can play much more methodically, surveying the area while cloaked and then picking off the defenders one by one. You have some kind of distraction device, which lets you lure a particular enemy to a location of your choosing. Very helpful for this kind of gameplay, but it's not well explained and so it feels like a cheat. Additionally, it does get a bit repetitive unless you deliberately make things tricky for yourself. The plasma cannon is nice, but your energy is so limited you have to make most kills in hand-to-hand combat, anyway.

After I hit a tricky patch in the Predator campaign, I decided to have a go at the Alien side of things. I think it's actually my favourite of the 3, but they might just be because I don't particularly like fighting against Aliens. The start of this campaign is quite well done, and the Alien gameplay is pretty similar to the Predator's in that you stalk your prey and take them out one at a time, but it's different enough to be unique. You spend most of your time upside down on the ceiling, and you can move extremely fast, which does make it difficult to keep track of where you are at times.

I haven't finished any of them yet, but the "% complete" goes up awfully quick, especially in the Alien campaign, and since I don't play multiplayer this is probably the main issue. Unless they're going to be releasing DLC or allowing users to create new levels, there's not much life in the game.

The campaigns do kind of intertwine, and it's a bit fun to explore the same locations from different perspectives.

Overall... if you have no immediate need to play it now, I'd wait for it to hit the bargain bin before picking it up.

[icebreakr 3159]

Finally got AVP from UK (pre-order) and I have to say after 1 day of intensive tests:

1. game is worth every penny

2. I'll never again believe any online reviews and forum posts

Every "bad" thing from reviews is not game breaking. Some critics say the sound the bad - well, its the exact copy as you were watching 1986 Aliens. Others say they are bothered by an awful beeping sound? Well asshole critics, watch the movie first. Others say level design is bad - levels are great, even smaller MP ones! Not to mention we will get more from DLC by Sega/Rebellion.

SP is damn scary (play in dark room with speakers/headset on high volume). You'll even team up with AI and enemy moves differently every game. MP is freakishly addictive (almost as counterstrike or l4d). Fans of old AVP1/AVP2 will love this game. Shadows play a big role, DX11 and DX9 are working great. Levels contain a lot of animated stuff and grass (fern) even moves for few seconds when you go across it (hint: tracking enemy). Igra senc, triggerji, vedno drugaÄno gibanje AIja, sodelovanje z friendly AI ipd.

MP is outstandingl - played 4+ hours in Infestation and Predator Hunt games with 10 total strangers and guess what? Everyone played fair and were cool!

I thank to all the online reviews so I've expected the worse and now I'm damn happy with AVP - a dream come true to any alien/predator fans. Only thing I hate now is that alt-tabbing crashes my game (CTD) - using 8800GT 512 OC2, E6750 z 4 GB (3.2), Win7 Home/32bit.

[vilas 477]

please tell me is there a god-mode cheat (i really wanna sightsee maps and joy watching it)

[Aeneas2020 10]

Finally got AVP from UK (pre-order) and I have to say after 1 day of intensive tests:

1. game is worth every penny

2. I'll never again believe any online reviews and forum posts

Every "bad" thing from reviews is not game breaking. Some critics say the sound the bad - well, its the exact copy as you were watching 1986 Aliens. Others say they are bothered by an awful beeping sound? Well asshole critics, watch the movie first. Others say level design is bad - levels are great, even smaller MP ones! Not to mention we will get more from DLC by Sega/Rebellion.

SP is damn scary (play in dark room with speakers/headset on high volume). You'll even team up with AI and enemy moves differently every game. MP is freakishly addictive (almost as counterstrike or l4d). Fans of old AVP1/AVP2 will love this game. Shadows play a big role, DX11 and DX9 are working great. Levels contain a lot of animated stuff and grass (fern) even moves for few seconds when you go across it (hint: tracking enemy). Igra senc, triggerji, vedno drugaÄno gibanje AIja, sodelovanje z friendly AI ipd.

MP is outstandingl - played 4+ hours in Infestation and Predator Hunt games with 10 total strangers and guess what? Everyone played fair and were cool!

I thank to all the online reviews so I've expected the worse and now I'm damn happy with AVP - a dream come true to any alien/predator fans. Only thing I hate now is that alt-tabbing crashes my game (CTD) - using 8800GT 512 OC2, E6750 z 4 GB (3.2), Win7 Home/32bit.

breakr...i agree with everything you say. My issues are with the fact that for whatever reason, myself and a great many others are experiencing crashes and tech errors, obviously i play a lot of arma2 so i can live with bugs. However my real concern is simply the lack of content that is included for the asking price. Other than that i think the game is pretty damn good in itself.

[Bulldogs 10]

Yeah, I keep getting random crashes and I have the audio problem. Basically they pushed a patch through Steam that broke audio for a large number of people. You can lower your audio settings down to "crap" to get the game to run with most sounds, but it still loses some sounds, and they haven't released a hotfix for it yet.

[berghoff 11]

Have to agree with Icebreakr, I read the gamespot review just hours before I got my copy for 22 eu :P. And AvP is a very decent game.. bit short but so is Bioshock 2 which I recently completed. Never experienced a crash also plus haven't tried the multi-player part yet. So if your like some tense missions like Doom3 style you'll love this game. :)

[enad 11]

I like AVP alot actually. But I have the WORST crashing issues. Every 15 mins or so, sometimes random at no specific time, the game will freeze. Then I have to restart my PC because it freezes my PC fully. I cant complete the Pred campaign because it crashes no matter what. Alien and Marine campaigns barely crash/freeze.

Over all, I like the game, Marine campaign took me maybe 3 hours. Alien was the shortest but more fun in my opinion. Pred is a brutal campaign. Fun but really repetitive.

The Marine campaign was the best though. Best made I mean. It was the longest and had the most atmosphere.

The sad part is this really doesn't stand up to AVP1 or AVP2(Which I prefer). Its just clunky and ALOT of features from AVP2 are missing. The atmosphere as a marine is missing. I mean the Aliens almost never pop out from unexpected places so its not very "scarey," its more creepy. Like what happened to Aliens popping out of vents and stuff. The old game had that and it was great. In the new game, Aliens may come out of the floor, but they are so slow, you see them and your like "Oh its one of them...Let me shoot it now." Another thing that REALLY bothers me is the 'set' jump points. Wtf. You cant jump freely anymore. They have specific areas on the map that you can jump to, which sucks. :( One thing I really miss is the Aliens Auto death head bite. In MP, you could jump at a marine and it would kill him instantly, biting off its head. Now you have all these sweet finishing moves but the are slow and repetitive, not to mention they leave you completely vulnerable. There are more things missing but whatever. Basically I'm just a bit dissapointed. :(

About the MP, I haven't really played much because I couldn't find a server with more than 1 or 2 people in it.....I did survival with Aeneas2020 and that was great fun, but...there are two maps. Such a fail.

Overall the game is fun, but lacks alot and the SP campaigns are decent, not very repayable though. I have been replaying the Alien campaign though. I really like it, its very fun. I just need to finish the Predator campaign.

[Bulldogs 10]

I like AVP alot actually. But I have the WORST crashing issues. Every 15 mins or so, sometimes random at no specific time, the game will freeze. Then I have to restart my PC because it freezes my PC fully. I cant complete the Pred campaign because it crashes no matter what. Alien and Marine campaigns barely crash/freeze.

Over all, I like the game, Marine campaign took me maybe 3 hours. Alien was the shortest but more fun in my opinion. Pred is a brutal campaign. Fun but really repetitive.

The Marine campaign was the best though. Best made I mean. It was the longest and had the most atmosphere.

The sad part is this really doesn't stand up to AVP1 or AVP2(Which I prefer). Its just clunky and ALOT of features from AVP2 are missing. The atmosphere as a marine is missing. I mean the Aliens almost never pop out from unexpected places so its not very "scarey," its more creepy. Like what happened to Aliens popping out of vents and stuff. The old game had that and it was great. In the new game, Aliens may come out of the floor, but they are so slow, you see them and your like "Oh its one of them...Let me shoot it now." Another thing that REALLY bothers me is the 'set' jump points. Wtf. You cant jump freely anymore. They have specific areas on the map that you can jump to, which sucks. :( One thing I really miss is the Aliens Auto death head bite. In MP, you could jump at a marine and it would kill him instantly, biting off its head. Now you have all these sweet finishing moves but the are slow and repetitive, not to mention they leave you completely vulnerable. There are more things missing but whatever. Basically I'm just a bit dissapointed. :(

About the MP, I haven't really played much because I couldn't find a server with more than 1 or 2 people in it.....I did survival with Aeneas2020 and that was great fun, but...there are two maps. Such a fail.

Overall the game is fun, but lacks alot and the SP campaigns are decent, not very repayable though. I have been replaying the Alien campaign though. I really like it, its very fun. I just need to finish the Predator campaign.

This is what I did to stop the random crahses :

1) Update Direct X with the latest web update (the steam one is out of date)

2) goto control panel -> sound -> speakers (or whatever playback device is your default) -> Advanced -> then set the frequency to 24bit 44100.

There's instabilities in their audio engine right now. Doing this stabalizes it and stops the crashes but you may lose some sounds in the process (mainly cinematic sounds)

[enad 11]

I'll update DirectX.

And I read about that audio fix, but my format was at 16 bit. It said anything HIGHER than 24 bit will crash the game. Mine was lower.... :|

I set it to 24bit 44100 though. It said to, so I thought, might as well.

[CameronMcDonald 146]

Is the Marine co-op infestation mode limited to 4 players?

[Aeneas2020 10]

it's true enad is a crashing mofo...even on mp. Enad just try plaing in Dx9 like i did. I have a modern system but mine hates the standard DX mode i have to force 9 to be able to play. I am enjoying the pred campaign although I am finding it a bit too easy....chopping down aliens with my claws is like being attacked by carebears if you were wolverine on crack, they just do very little damage. As a marine it's down right scary though.

[soul_assassin 1750]

lol bioshock 2 in 2 hours? u obviously missed the point of the game. must have just sprinted from start to finish. The game if played correctly on a challenging hardness takes waaaay longer then 2 hours to complete.

[icebreakr 3159]

Is the Marine co-op infestation mode limited to 4 players?

If you mean Survival mode then Yes. Infestation (where 1 plays alien and all others start as marines) then, No.

[bangtail 0]

lol bioshock 2 in 2 hours? u obviously missed the point of the game. must have just sprinted from start to finish. The game if played correctly on a challenging hardness takes waaaay longer then 2 hours to complete.

Sadly, it doesn't.

Bioshock 2 is an extremely short game and the difficulty doesn't change that very much.

I thought what was there was pretty good but I certainly didn't "miss the point" anymore than I did with AvP.

It is a trend that has been going on for a few years now and it will continue as long as people support it financially.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, I purchased the original AvP off Steam and I am 3 hours into the marine campaign (and nowhere near the end).

The whole AvP (2010) campaign took less time than that.

[walker 0]

Hi all

I liked the previous versions as things jumping out of the dark got my adrenalin going but I suspect I will suffer the same problems all ArmA players experience with other FPS.

Clunky imprecise simplified controls

Ego Shooter dificulty levels

Bordom

No long lasting play.

I suspect I will have finished it at its highest difficulty in a few days. :(

Once you have played various version of the Real Virtuality engine other games stop being a challenge.

Still it should at least be longer than a film.

Kind Regards walker

[CameronMcDonald 146]

If you mean Survival mode then Yes. Infestation (where 1 plays alien and all others start as marines) then, No.

Ah, yeah, meant survival mode. No worries -thanks Ice.