Community awards

[dead kennedy 124]

Here is some proofpics about cheat voting of sarmat members

In russian language.

On the first image - members of arma.at.ua are offered the "right" voting options. Administrators explain, that the counting of votes is conducted by IDEA games, but not BIS. It also contains a call (in red color) to vote actively and only for "right" candidates.

I really would not like to cheat play associated with whole Russian comunity. And i hope, that whole russian community should not have the moral responsibility for dishonesty of the team with Ukrainian domain name .ua. Where average age of the members is about 16.

I only hope, a shadow of their actions will not fall on whole russian community in future. I mean not only this cheat voting of sarmat, i know that this studio is constantly in trouble with copyright. I say this is only their troubles, rather than the all russian teams.

Thank you.

Edited February 15, 2010 by Dead Kennedy

[SMERSH 0]

Some people, even such a good event as rewarding to turn bad.

The people voted, it is their right.

And no one can decide for them, they made their choice.

This is called - democracy.

Campaign Liberty downloaded and played it thousands of people and if some members of the Russian community did not play into it, it does not make it bad.

I know how much work invested its authors that it would create and reward they receive well-deserved.

I do not share the Russian community in 2 parts and flashpoint.ru \ arma.at.ua - a community unites residents of former Soviet republics, and if someone here proves that they are two completely different and hostile community, it is - a lie.

I came to the community through the site flashpoint.ru and I do care about his fate. but why such methods to kill sites that are competitors flashpoint.ru?

Is it bad that the Russian community there are 2 sites?

I wish that they would become more and more new players to communicate, create add-ons and loved this game.

Yes me too sad that people have not chosen the winner of a campaign "GLORIA" which created a team of OTK, but the choice of players and really make sense to argue?

What kind of dishonest votes you say?

Is someone from the studio SARMAT pressed for someone button on your keyboard?

Or threatened with a gun forced to vote for them?

No!

The people themselves have made their choice and you must respect their choice.

And is this crime that the campaign of "freedom" in Russian?

Is the only reason she has no right to participate in the voting?

I am ashamed of your words.

You divide the community into groups and clans, instead, that would unite it.

Community - united.

I hope that the organizers of the contest, the studio BIS will not pay any attention to your stupid remarks and thank you for hosting the such contests, which enable creative people that make games for their add-on that they - are needed and what they are doing the right thing to everybody.

I urge everyone not to turn everything to mud, but just to be - civilized people who respect democracy and the right of everyone to choose.

Thank.

[Zipper5 74]

Guys, chill out. It's called campaigning. They knew what they wanted to vote for, and they asked others to vote for it as well. There just happened to be the majority of them. That's democracy. We do the same when ArmA II is nominated for an award, or any of BIS' games for that matter. It's no different.

[dead kennedy 124]

SMERSH, what democracy, what soviet, what are you talkin about?

Over 5000 votes. Are you sure, that on your forum are so much active users? Or in western communities is so people, who played your campaign without subtittles and prefered it before others?

Even in Russian cummunity your campaign is almost unknown.

Oh, sarmat is so sarmat... Cheat, cheat never changes.

Edited February 15, 2010 by Dead Kennedy

[DenisRUS 10]

Democracy doesn’t mean voting from several comps. Свобода wins ONLY because of good work by hundreds of fans from Sarmat studio community. BTW Right now they are writing on there site, that with this Ultimate Spam Power, they could even smashed Armaholic site from the 1 place and win “The Best Community Site†award, but something gone wrong he he.

It is very simple -with this wonderful help from Sarmat studio, everybody in the west community is thinking about all Russian Community as like a bunch of thieves or some kind of dishonest rednecks. Before this “accident†first usual question, from west modder team to Russian modder , who wants to cooperate, was ─ Where did you steal it? Now nobody will not even ask any questions.

Russian modders are now saying that they will need to create something really extraordinary to deserve trust again and clean out from that sarmat they walked smack. Sad, very sad.

[Tankbuster 1747]

I suggest you go and read the

Nowhere it says that an ArmA Addon, Mod, Mission or Campaign is not allowed. The opposite is the case. Also nowhere it says that the Addon, Mod, Mission or Campaign must be in english language.

I never said either was the case. Of course authors are entitled to write in their mother tongue.

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Tankbuster

So what if the campaign is in Russian Language

Are u saying it's not acceptable to give awards to ppl who don't speak english?

I'm not rising to your bait. Of course I'm not saying that.

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certainly wasnt insulting it. even stated it was his opinion and never claimed it to be fact.

its all in the eyes of the beholder, if you thought he was being rude, its because YOU thought he was.

Thanks Vick. :)

If it matters I know a few Russians from my work. They are a people I have a fondness for. They remind me of how I imagine the English were before we lost our humility.

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I'm not going to comment on Sarmat's past, as these activities have no bearing on the production of a campaign.

We have seen the blunt weapon of Democracy in action here, with all it's flaws. I did vote in every category and I'm not here because the ballot box didn't agree with my choice in this category, I'm here because, in my opinion, in terms of quality, the Sarmat entry was not the best.

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Here is some proofpics about cheat voting of sarmat members

On the first image - members of arma.at.ua are offered the "right" voting options. Administrators explain, that the counting of votes is conducted by IDEA games, but not BIS. It also contains a call (in red color) to vote actively and only for "right" candidates.

I respect you for posting that, because I know it will be an unpopular viewpoint among some of your countrymen, but this surely is what online democracy is all about.

I do think though that what we see there is rather aggressive campaigning and promotion and not something I think many others would do.

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I agree with you tankbuster, i also felt there was some unfair spam voting going on. Its not that none of the mods i voted for made it it just felt corrupt and ruined. How did SARMAT manage to get in on like all the differnt nominations.

Sorry it just feels like the bloody eurovison song contest to me. :j:

Indeed. If only Sir Terry were still putting the whole thing into perspective. :)

Seriously though, this is flawed. I would make a few suggestions.

1) Only productions released in the year of the nomination are admissable.

2) Voters need to be logged in to this site to vote.

As to whether a production should be allowed to be nominated on consecutive years, I'm still undecided. Domination 2, for example, is very different from it's previous incarnation. It's also more than a mission, it's an advert for the less hardcore player AND it's an introduction into mission editing.

While were about it, ACE2 is not yet mature. It won this year when I suspect, next year it will really deserve the accolade.

Edited February 15, 2010 by Tankbuster

[dead kennedy 124]

I respect you for posting that, because I know it will be an unpopular viewpoint among some of your countrymen

I just wanna sarmat will not be a face of russian community.

We just need to differentiate this Ukrainian mod team with 20-30 active members, and whole Russian-speaking community, which is one of the largest in Europe by number of people.

Because the Sarmatians have long been spoiling the reputation of all russian ofp-arma space by stealing models, cheating vote and e.t.c., e.t.c.. And now we hear comments like

the Russian community mobilised themselves

Where is this huge Russian community hiding? How could they beat Domination or Warfare BE, with a campaign I've never heard of?

and so on.

We dont want to be associated with this.

P.S. a little example of comments in sarmats forum

Congratz! I voted twice as much, with two different comps, perhaps someone more.

about "best community website" nomination :D

Why armaholic won? After all, we won his in the semifinal. Hopefully counting was fair, though wary!

http://itrash.ru/idb/f4aaf79dc5d024cfe06172f9ac31121c/oBezymyannyj.PNG

Edited February 15, 2010 by Dead Kennedy

[Tankbuster 1747]

Ah I see now DK. Thank you for helping me to understand.

I will defend them to a point, though. Alleged IP naughtiness can't have anything to do with the campaign and discussion of it is offtopic, though it does give us some background info on the team who made it.

[dead kennedy 124]

Alleged IP naughtiness can't have anything to do with the campaign and discussion of it is offtopic, though it does give us some background info on the team who made it.

Agree. Ceasing offtopic :))

[SMERSH 0]

This is just ridiculous, a few people claim that they, they represent all the Russian community:)

You can not represent the Russian community, speak for themselves personally, and not for the entire community.

You complain that now you do not trust, and blames the arma.at.ua?

If you do not have anything strange in your additions then you have nothing to fear, but if you have something strange is it to blame someone other than you own?

This topic discusses the awarding of the winners, and some are always talking about something else entirely, is accused of some kind of vote-rigging, simply accuse without conclusively.

Thousands of users favor the Russian community, and you accuse them all of the dishonesty?

What right do you have to do it?

Voting is over, the results are defined, it is like someone or not, you should have had to be active and vote for those people you like, but not now, when you insult their charges, thousands of people who voted for the Russian community, what they liked.

I do not want to talk about it with you, it makes no sense.

[kill mig 23]

You can not represent the Russian community

Yes, of course, we can't "represent the entire community" of roguish bots you create. We are truly amazed! Edited February 15, 2010 by Kill MiG

[Tankbuster 1747]

Let's remember DK probably isn't using his first language, so we need to give him a little leeway here.

What I think he is saying is that SARMAT doesn't represent the entire Russian community, which is essentially what you're (SMERSH) saying too.

Nobody is saying there was dishonesty, but I certainly am saying the system is open to abuse AND that SARMAT aggressively promoted it's production to, intentionally or otherwise, take advantage of that system.

[Potatomasher 0]

SARMAT aggressively promoted it's production to, intentionally or otherwise, take advantage of that system.

Agreed.

I did check out their site during voting phase and i remember there was big banner or post written on home page asking everyone to vote.

This kind of thing isn't exactly cheating or against rules, but it isn't very nice and fair.

On the other hand, i don't think no one gives a rats ass who got nominated and won the competition...

[Zipper5 74]

Hm, this is starting to get out of hand...

I feel W0lle preparing his banhammer. :p

[Tankbuster 1747]

Agreed.

i don't think no one gives a rats ass who got nominated and won the competition...

Is that an intentional double negative? 'don't think no-one' does mean 'everyone does' give a rats ass. I think :)

I think that's important to those nominated and the winners too. I also think that these authors, who are getting no payment for their work get every encouragement possible.

As an aside, if the system of nominations and awards is as flawed as I believe it to be, less people will indeed care about future events unless they can be improved.

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Hm, this is starting to get out of hand...

I feel W0lle preparing his banhammer. :p

No-one is in contravention of the rules as far as I can see.

[Placebo 29]

How many GOTY threads have we had on these forums where people advise everyone to vote for ArmA2? Hell I've seen threads for Czech GOTY awards where people advise how to vote for ArmA2 despite not speaking Czech, it's a perfectly acceptable way to garner votes as far as I'm concerned, bitching about who won or how they persuaded other people within their community to vote is not acceptable, as far as I'm concerned it's flamebaiting and any further complaints about the winners or the methods of people winning will result in warnings/infractions.

If anyone has evidence of fraud by means of spoofed IP addresses then feel free to forward it to me, everyone else who's whining in here please move on to another thread if you're incapable of being positive in a community awards thread, such irony to have a certain element complaining in here of all places, shame on you.

[mosh 0]

I agree with the mods here, we should be congratulating people, not discussing why they shouldn't have won.

So, congratulations to them all.

But I have to add my 2 cents as well... This forum and community forces English upon everyone posting here. I've seen it countless times where a person's grammar, spelling, and punctuation is ripped apart for not using 'proper English'. I have no problems with the winner being in Russian. I bought my first Arma DvD in Chec (spelling) and my first Arma 2 was in German. If OA comes out in Russian first, I'll buy that.

But if this forum (this community) forced people to learn Swahili, I'd adapt somehow, and assume everything else (including contests) would follow the same guidelines.

I am not saying that anyone shouldn't have won... I'm just a little confused how something I've never seen mentioned on this forum (this community) could get so many votes.

But looking at it another way, as the whole Arma community is entitled to vote (and not just people using these forums), I can see how this could happen. I just misunderstood the scope of it and the exact definition of community.

So to sum it up for those that like to quote shit and/or take it completely out of context... I understand now what I didn't understand at the time of voting, that this wasn't just for our community here on these forums, but for all Arma communities worldwide.

And to be honest, I'm glad there's a lot more people out there than just the ones who post here on these forums, for the developers sake (more people means more money).

I just woke up and hope most of that made sense.... :cool:

[bascule42 10]

IMO...democracy doesn't work, its terrible. I reckon Placebo install himself as Community Awards Dictator, scrap all votes, pick a winner and install a taxation system for every word posted on the forums.

Back OT.

Gratz to all the winners. Personally I would have like to have seen Cipher win that category, but that's the way the shell casings fall. Hats off to all nominees, (even if they don't speak English :p.... What?)

Thanks BI for a Nice... competition.

[grensvegter 10]

Wow,did not see all this coming.As i mentioned in the beginning is it not possible to have more categories in this way more will get the recognition they deserve.I have seen the video good music nice movie nuff said.Now what do i click on to install that Sarmat war mod its all russian not too sure.Thank you all. :don 16:

[vasmkd 12]

Wow,did not see all this coming.As i mentioned in the beginning is it not possible to have more categories in this way more will get the recognition they deserve.I have seen the video good music nice movie nuff said.Now what do i click on to install that Sarmat war mod its all russian not too sure.Thank you all. :don 16:

The translated site has problems with d/l link for me. I found a way around it.

Open up two explorers and go to sarmat main site on both. Click on english (flag) on one of them and play follow the leader with the russian version of the site. Works for me as i can't read or speak russian.

Some good mission on there site too for ARMA2 along with the ARMA1 campaigns, For ARMA2 the AN-2 missions are pretty cool as well as some other SP missions.

Edited February 16, 2010 by vasmkd

[Flaxpants 10]

Congratulations to all award winners, nice one. And many thanks to all those modders/ video makers who didn't win- it's all great stuff and gives a lot of pleasure to thousands of people, including me.