Mid east

[Bernadotte 0]

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...And already a Colonel?  Seriously, I've never met someone 13 as diplomatic as you.

Paratrooper, just because Britain was first to err doesn't mean they were worst to err.  In fact, they tried very hard to undo much of the damage with their 1939 White Paper, but that only got them into war with LEHI and other Jewish terrorist organisations.

The history of the crisis is mostly just an endless series of reactions and over reactions to the original sins of 1917, fueled in no small part by the Holocaust, Cold War, petrodollars, etc etc.  However, I still believe that no amount of over reaction to an injustice can ever justify that original injustice.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 09 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Pear pressure?<span id='postcolor'>

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Sep. 09 2002,08:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 09 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im only 13...<span id='postcolor'>

...And already a Colonel? Seriously, I've never met someone 13 as diplomatic as you. <span id='postcolor'>

I was going to say the same thing. Keep it up.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

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If this happend in your country, you would not support the terriost.

I do not support terrorism by any individuals, organisations or governments

So you do not support Palestine?

Anyone with one eye knows that Palestine and terrorism are not the same thing. <span id='postcolor'>

I can see they are the samething, with one eye or two eyes.

[Noodles067 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">With dwindling men and resources for the rest of the Empire propper a quick soloution was come to and Britain was forced out by the Israelis<span id='postcolor'>

Britain left Palestine knowing that a war was about to break out. They wanted to get out of there. I think it is incorrect to say that they were driven out by the Israelis.  

The opinion of British officers in Palestine at that time varied very much. Some of them were pro-Jewish others were pro-Arab. So they reflected the official standpoint of the British in a way, i.e. it varied a lot.

Fact of matter is that once the British left the Jews were left there to sort themselves out against loads of Arab nations. I think that in a way also contributed to Israel's critical stance towards Europe (and of course European history).

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 09 2002,15:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can see they are the samething, with one eye or two eyes.  <span id='postcolor'>

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Sep. 09 2002,22:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Sep. 09 2002,085)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 09 2002,11:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im only 13...<span id='postcolor'>

...And already a Colonel?  Seriously, I've never met someone 13 as diplomatic as you. <span id='postcolor'>

I was going to say the same thing.  Keep it up.  <span id='postcolor'>

I am Col. Duke of the West Coast South Island New Zealand Armed Forces. I am currently the commander in chief of this force. Our army consists of a few thousand poor dole bludgers, red neck farmers, coal miners and a few other underirables. We have large quantities of hunting weapons and Utes. Our Navy is formed of fishing ships armed with indegenous short range weapons such as gas bottles. The Air Force is made of light civilian planes modified for the Kamakazi role. We plan to break free of the New Zealand goverment, and form an independent semi-monarchy-communist state. Paratrooper shall be the King, and Denoir will be the General Secetary. OFP will be distributed to all citizens and therer will be great funding into making large LAN arenas for 24/7 games. All members of the OFP Forums shall be given instant citizenship. As for how I became into this form, well on an unfortunet day when I was nine, I somehow got into WWII and from their I expanded and abbonded ther normal child practises. Now, back to topic, can someone like DOR tell me why Israel is in the right besides religious reasons? Besides Israel been the holy land, are their any other good reasons why the Jewish people should be there?

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Noodles067 @ Sep. 09 2002,14:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Britain left Palestine knowing that a war was about to break out. They wanted to get out of there. I think it is incorrect to say that they were driven out by the Israelis.<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Eighty-four thousand troops had proved insufficient to maintain law and order in the face of a campaign of terrorism waged by highly organised Jewish forces equipped with all the weapons of the modern infantryman.  Since the war 338 British subjects had been killed in Palestine, while the military forces there had cost the British taxpayer 100 million sterling.  The declared intentions of Jewish extremists showed that the loss of further British lives was inevitable.  In these circumstances His Majesty's Government decided to bring to an end their mandate and to prepare for the earliest possible withdrawal from Palestine of all British forces.-- British Foreign Office in the NY Times, 14 May, 1948<span id='postcolor'>

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 09 2002,16:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Besides Israel been the holy land, are their any other good reasons why the Jewish people should be there?<span id='postcolor'>

No.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Sep. 09 2002,23:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 09 2002,16:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Besides Israel been the holy land, are their any other good reasons why the Jewish people should be there?<span id='postcolor'>

No.<span id='postcolor'>

OoooooooK. Then if you were presenting your case to an Aethist, your case might look a little thin do you not think?

I think it would be ncie if both sides could learn to luve with each other in peace and happiness without fighting over the land. Sharing, a very nice thing to do

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 09 2002,16:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">OoooooooK. Then if you were presenting your case to an Aethist, your case might look a little thin do you not think?

I think it would be ncie if both sides could learn to luve with each other in peace and happiness without fighting over the land. Sharing, a very nice thing to do <span id='postcolor'>

That's very nice. Israel tried that numerous times. Ben Gurion offered it both before and after the war in 1948. BTW, had there not been a war, Israel would have been a sliver of what it was after the war:

Israel accepted the partition plan, the Arabs rejected it.

Israel offered to make peace after the 6 Day war and throughout the 70's and 80's all requests were turned down.

Rabin and Peres whipped the country into believing that peace was at hand and a new Middle East would emerge from the Oslo Agreements. Israel bit the bait and gave up land for peace but got more terror in return since day 1 of the Oslo accords.

No one here is happy about what's going on. Israel didn't start the fighting just over 2 years ago.

Israel never had a charter to destroy the Arabs or throw them into the sea. Preach your love elsewhere.

[bogo 0]

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That's very nice. Israel tried that numerous times. Ben Gurion offered it both before and after the war in 1948

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Expulsion – continued

"Ben- Gurion clearly wanted as few Arabs as possible to remain in the Jewish state. He hoped to see them flee. He said as much to his colleagues and aides in meetings in August, September and October [1948]. But no [general] expulsion policy was ever enunciated and Ben-Gurion always refrained from issuing clear or written expulsion orders; he preferred that his generals ‘understand’ what he wanted done. He wished to avoid going down in history as the ‘great expeller’ and he did not want the Israeli government to be implicated in a morally questionable policy…But while there was no ‘expulsion policy’, the July and October [1948] offensives were characterized by far more expulsions and, indeed, brutality towards Arab civilians than the first half of the war."

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Israel offered to make peace after the 6 Day war and throughout the 70's and 80's all requests were turned down.

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Did the Egyptians actually start the 1967 war, as Israel originally claimed?

"The former Commander of the Air Force, General Ezer Weizmann, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was ‘no threat of destruction’ but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was nevertheless justified so that Israel could ‘exist according to the scale, spirit and equality she now embodies.’…Menachem Begin had the following remarks to make: ‘In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.’ "

Noam Chomsky, "The Fateful Triangle."

Moshe Dayan posthumously speaks out on the Golan Heights

"Moshe Dayan, the celebrated commander who, a Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the Golan…[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the government to take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for their farmland…[Dayan stated ‘They didn’t even try to hide their greed for their land… WE would send a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t` possible to do anything, in the demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot. If they didn’t shoot we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot. And then we would use artillery and later the air force also, and that’s how it was…The Syrian’s, on the fourth day of the war, were not a threat to us.’ "

The New York Times, May 11, 1997

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Israel never had a charter to destroy the Arabs or throw them into the sea. Preach your love elsewhere.

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Do you belive that yourself. Tell me those Sharon in his sow called peace plan a place for a palestinian state

where palestina is ruled by palestinian?

[Die Alive 0]

Well, this afternoon, there was suppose to be former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu talking to the public at this local University, but there were several hundred protestors that turned violent and they had to cancel the visit.

Stupid student protestors, go to class you lazy bums!

-=Die Alive=-

[bogo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Sep. 09 2002,21:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, this afternoon, there was suppose to be former Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu talking to the public at this local University, but there were several hundred protestors that turned violent and they had to cancel the visit.

Stupid student protestors, go to class you lazy bums!

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

Where was that?

[Die Alive 0]

Monteal Canada. happen just an hour ago.

-=Die Alive=-

[bogo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Sep. 09 2002,21:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Monteal Canada.  happen just an hour ago.

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

Where you looking foward to hear him?

[Die Alive 0]

I think he had the right to speak, but that right was refused by a small group of demonstrators/assholes. Funny, these guys don't let a Jew the chance to speak, but when cops use pepper spray or kick the shit out of them, they're the first ones complaining that they're being singled out and attacked because they're arabs. F them.

-=Die Alive=-

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Sep. 09 2002,21:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think he had the right to speak, but that right was refused by a small group of demonstrators/assholes.  Funny, these guys don't let a Jew the chance to speak, but when cops use pepper spray or kick the shit out of them, they're the first ones complaining that they're being singled out and attacked because they're arabs.  F them.

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, racism is always something someone else commits in the eyes of these people.

[bn880 5]

He's already been talking too much in North America, let's have Arafat visit next, not Yahoo.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

If I moved into your house would you not want to kick me out? Well thats what Palestine has done to Israel, its Israel's house.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 09 2002,22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I moved into your house would you not want to kick me out? Well thats what Palestine has done to Israel, its Israel's house.  <span id='postcolor'>

That could not be more ironic.

[bogo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 09 2002,23:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I moved into your house would you not want to kick me out? Well thats what Palestine has done to Israel, its Israel's house.  <span id='postcolor'>

My gosh where do you get that. Read the facts is the other way around.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Actually its the other way around and then the other way around.

[bogo 0]

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And you facts are based on ??

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bogo @ Sep. 09 2002,23:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 09 2002,23:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually its the other way around and then the other way around. <span id='postcolor'>

And you facts are based on ??<span id='postcolor'>

There you go using the 'F' word again!