Mid east

[bn880 5]

Looks like retaliation for Africa... the air strike in Iraq also... if this is not a world wide religious war then I don't know what is.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kuzmich @ Nov. 29 2002,11:o1)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For all those who claim "IDF targets women and children".

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=440<span id='postcolor'>

Who here has made such a claim?

I'm not even sure what it means.   Don't you think that if any military organisation as well equipped as the IDF were actually to "target" such visible segments of the population the operation would be over quite quickly?

According to your source of statistics, of the 1600 total Palestinian fatalities:

noncombatants = 38%

children = 25%

women = 8%

Whether they were "targeted" or not, I'm not convinced that killing all those women and children has made Israel a safer place.

[brgnorway 0]

Oh dear, another fuck up by the IDF. I wonder if all the "mishaps" and accidental killings should qualify for the military stupidity thread had it not been for the tragic outcomes and consequences!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2535375.stm

[Bernadotte 0]

What is the probability that a military organisation could cause so much collateral damage, but never any friendly fire incidents?  What are the odds that stray IDF bullets, that never find Israeli soldiers or settlers, have accidently killed around 400 Palestinian kids?

[Bernadotte 0]

Israeli troops have shot dead a 95-year-old woman

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fatima Hasan died from at least one bullet in the back as she sat in a vehicle at a checkpoint outside the city, witnesses said.

Two other women were reportedly injured. "The soldiers were running towards us, shooting in all directions," said 41-year-old Kifaya Rafat, another passenger who was wounded in the thigh during the incident. "They started to hit the windows of the car."

She added that the after breaking the windows the troops retreated and began shooting at the vehicle from a distance.

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[Bernadotte 0]

Israel 'threatens lives of UN workers'

[Bernadotte 0]

Israeli missiles fired at Palestinian Authority buildings in Gaza City

[Jinef 2]

Have you realized most of this thread is just a few same people convincing a person who completely believes all the shit that the media spill out about the ME and are totally supportive of the WAT into the reality that Israel is evil and America is evil and then another new person comes along and the process id repeated with new evidence of attrocities etc.

Quite funny really, but totally pointless as the ignorant will always be replaced.

I sound strangely philosophical. Very unlike me.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Dec. 06 2002,01:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> ...and then another new person comes along and the process id repeated with new evidence of attrocities etc.

Quite funny really, but totally pointless as the ignorant will always be replaced.<span id='postcolor'>

You might be right.  Sometimes I wonder what affect the Internet might have had during the Nazi Holocaust.  Probably not much.  

[SpeedyDonkey 0]

I can assure you that even if mr Bernadotte would write 500 post of arafat propaganda per day in this ofp forum, i wouldnt start loving Arafat and hating Israel for that

[Jinef 2]

How about this for a solution, we get the SAS to kill them both (Arafat and Sharon) and do it the good old fashioned way, we British occupy Israel and give Palestine all of Israel's weapons and turn Israel into a British ruled policed state and we would give all the Palestinian's land back to them and have the UN come in and sort out nice agreements and say to the Palestinians that now Israel is under control of the British bombing it is like bombing Britain, and that would be an end to that mess and the start of a lovely new one!

And this will go on as long as humans control the planet.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Dec. 06 2002,16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can assure you that even if mr Bernadotte would write  500 post of arafat propaganda per day in this ofp forum, i wouldnt start loving Arafat and hating Israel for that  <span id='postcolor'>I guess I just have to repeat my opinion of Arafat every 50 pages for the sake of Speedy and others unable to keep up.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Aug. 28 2002,02:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't like Arafat either, especially since he supported Iraq in 1991, against the wishes of every single other Palestinian leader of that time.  He's incurably bull-headed and I really hope he goes soon.<span id='postcolor'>Now please tell me what was this "Arafat propaganda" you're babbling about.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Dec. 06 2002,11:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How about this for a solution, we get the SAS to kill them both (Arafat and Sharon) and do it the good old fashioned way, we British occupy Israel and give Palestine all of Israel's weapons and turn Israel into a British ruled policed state and we would give all the Palestinian's land back to them and have the UN come in and sort out nice agreements and say to the Palestinians that now Israel is under control of the British bombing it is like bombing Britain, and that would be an end to that mess and the start of a lovely new one!

And this will go on as long as humans control the planet.<span id='postcolor'>

Ok can you stop the pointless posts? I can't even understand them completely...

Lets not play god with millions of people.

EDIT:

[SpeedyDonkey 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now please tell me what was this "Arafat propaganda" you're babbling about.<span id='postcolor'>

Actually its you, and not me whos babbling about it ^_^

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Dec. 06 2002,17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...we British occupy Israel and give Palestine all of Israel's weapons and turn Israel into a British ruled policed state and we would give all the Palestinian's land back to them and have the UN come in and sort out nice agreements and say to the Palestinians that now Israel is under control of the British bombing it is like bombing Britain, and that would be an end to that mess and the start of a lovely new one!<span id='postcolor'>

LOL... You've just described the way Palestine was in 1939, which only lasted about 8 years. ...And you know why?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Eighty-four thousand troops had proved insufficient to maintain law and order in the face of a campaign of terrorism waged by highly organised Jewish forces equipped with all the weapons of the modern infantryman.  Since the war 338 British subjects had been killed in Palestine, while the military forces there had cost the British taxpayer 100 million sterling.  The declared intentions of Jewish extremists showed that the loss of further British lives was inevitable.  In these circumstances His Majesty's Government decided to bring to an end their mandate and to prepare for the earliest possible withdrawal from Palestine of all British forces.-- British Foreign Office in the NY Times, 14 May, 1948<span id='postcolor'>

[Jinef 2]

Well at least some one understood my joke

If only Britain still had it's empire, the world would be a much better place.......lol

But seriously i think Sharon is the worst because now he doesn't really care about anything but trying to get re elected so he's launching huge strikes on 'suspected militias' and basically just fuelling the situation.

I can't understand why people are so behind Israel (maybe it's a religion thing) but in my opinion it's Israel's fault there is such violence in the ME.

How many palestinian tanks are in Israeli towns?

How many palestinian gunships are deploying weapons against Israeli civillian targets?

Palestine is not the agressor, it is a region wanting independence, much like Chechnya from the Russian federation but then Israel and Russia say no and use force to emphasize their point so the people rebel, under our amazing new light on the horizon (Gun Wanking Bush) they are so called terrorist and can be treated as sub human.

Russia was being inspected for war crimes in Chechnya and now it's strangely been swept under the carpet as the Chechnyan rebels are now 'terrorists'.

People's point of views very much depend on where they are located and I would like it if some of you paranoia freaks could come out of the bunker and say where you are located (namely Bernadotte lol)

I'm in Wales in the UK and i've taken the www.politicalcompasstest.org test and i'm next to Ghandi

(Lefty and liberal) so my points of view are probably going to be different to those of (get ready for blatant stereotyping) someone from Texas.

lol

[Frisbee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpeedyDonkey @ Dec. 06 2002,16:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can assure you that even if mr Bernadotte would write  500 post of arafat propaganda per day in this ofp forum, i wouldnt start loving Arafat and hating Israel for that  <span id='postcolor'>

Clearly you're babbling,no?

Bernadotte posts have somewhat changed my view on this situation.I used to be pro isreali,but now I'm as neutral as can be (a good thing ihmho).You can't 'ally' with,and defend the causes of either parties,since they're both 'wrong' to support.

Sharon is way too agressive,and Arafat is way too stubborn.

(EDIT : The requested info,I'm from flanders,belgium.On the test I wasn't too far from ghandi either.)

[red oct 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If only Britain still had it's empire, the world would be a much better place.......lol<span id='postcolor'> sorry but i doubt that, if they still had a empire, than the country be in the same boat as the U.S. is in for whom ever it was that asked the reason the U.S. always sides w/ Isreal is because so the U.S. can have a very loyal ally in a very troubled part of the world.

[Badgerboy 0]

The trouble is they are not particulary loyal.

The US gives billions to Israel, and in return gets spied upon, shouted down whenever they try to do something good for the region, and gets a US Navy ship blown to pieces, killing 35 Americans.

Loyal Allies indeed.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Dec. 07 2002,08:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The US gives billions to Israel, and in return gets spied upon, shouted down whenever they try to do something good for the region, and gets a US Navy ship blown to pieces, killing 35 Americans.<span id='postcolor'>

You might be interested in the USS Liberty discussion some of us had back on page 148.

[Badgerboy 0]

Thanks, I did post a thread about it before entitled 'Biting the hand that feeds you'.

It was going well until Avon starting calling me a antisemite, which for the record I'm not. I dislike the Goverment, the people in charge, and the actions of the country, but I do not base views on peoples faith. (People have been doing that for years and look how many people have died).

And lo and behold, shortly after the Middle East thread was born. Huzzah!

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Dec. 07 2002,08:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Avon starting calling me a antisemite, which for the record I'm not. I dislike the Goverment, the people in charge, and the actions of the country, but I do not base views on peoples faith. (People have been doing that for years and look how many people have died).<span id='postcolor'>

Here Here!

It is not because of Jewish religion that I do not like the actions taken by the Jews, who are in power.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Dec. 06 2002,20:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well at least some one understood my joke <span id='postcolor'>

I have to apologize if I was not laughing (I knew about the events), I believe you forgot to put one of these in:

I am used to all amusing content on the forums having those faces to show expression, like you would with your face in real life.

[Bernadotte 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 07 2002,15:o0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is not because of Jewish religion that I do not like the actions taken by the Jews, who are in power.<span id='postcolor'>

Then what is it?

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bernadotte @ Dec. 07 2002,09:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 07 2002,15:o0)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is not because of Jewish religion that I do not like the actions taken by the Jews, who are in power.<span id='postcolor'>

Then what is it?<span id='postcolor'>

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