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[bangtail 0]

Mac pro's comes with a GT 120 which is a rebranded 9500GT and thats after forking out over $2500 before tax. Xeon's are not gaming CPU's either.

I'm also betting the Mac Pro case won't be allowing any new ATI or Nvidia cards

unless you take a pair of tinsnips to it.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro?mco=MTM3NTI1NTI

For that price and specs I could buy 2 PC's and play with a friend.

Don't bother trying to have a sensible conversation with crApple's fanatics. According to them, the Mac is better for everything (including running Win 7) :rolleyes:

I talked someone out of buying a Mac Pro a few days ago. It was SO satisfying :D

Edited April 1, 2010 by BangTail

[dm 9]

According to them, the Mac is better for everything (including running Win 7) :rolleyes:

But thats totally because they've got intel processors, right? Riiiiiiiight? :D

[bangtail 0]

But thats totally because they've got intel processors, right? Riiiiiiiight? :D

Lol :p

[Zipper5 74]

A friend of mine bought a Mac desktop PC a few days ago. Basically, I told him "Good luck with gaming on that." and his reply was "Oh come on, it's got a 1GB nVidia graphics card and an Intel Core processor!"

It seems that they all think that Mac's have "pwnag3" hardware, but don't actually know anything about it. He had no idea of what specific graphics card it was, and what specific type/speed his processor was. He just presumed it was good because "it looked good". Many Mac users I have seen/known are exactly the same, and some, like this guy, have bought it specifically to game with. It's mind blowing. Seems you can fool anyone today with cheap parlor-tricks. :rolleyes:

[bangtail 0]

A friend of mine bought a Mac desktop PC a few days ago. Basically, I told him "Good luck with gaming on that." and his reply was "Oh come on, it's got a 1GB nVidia graphics card and an Intel Core processor!"

It seems that they all think that Mac's have "pwnag3" hardware, but don't actually know anything about it. He had no idea of what specific graphics card it was, and what specific type/speed his processor was. He just presumed it was good because "it looked good". Many Mac users I have seen/known are exactly the same, and some, like this guy, have bought it specifically to game with. It's mind blowing. Seems you can fool anyone today with cheap parlor-tricks. :rolleyes:

This is a constant from the Mac camp. In most cases (in my experience at any rate), they don't have a clue about hardware, just an unarguable belief that "Mac is better" which is why we have to endure the endless slew of ignorant comments.

Edited April 1, 2010 by BangTail

[Bulldogs 10]

Mac's are the most powerful computers for photoshop and....hmm

Yep, running older games is fine but running anything recent like ArmA 2 or BFBC2 (brought it back on topic :)) will bring a mac to it's knees.

There are macs out there that are capable of handling the gaming of a mid-range PC, they also cost about 4 times more than their PC counterparts.

[Madus_Maximus 0]

A friend of mine bought a Mac desktop PC a few days ago. Basically, I told him "Good luck with gaming on that." and his reply was "Oh come on, it's got a 1GB nVidia graphics card and an Intel Core processor!"

It seems that they all think that Mac's have "pwnag3" hardware, but don't actually know anything about it. He had no idea of what specific graphics card it was, and what specific type/speed his processor was. He just presumed it was good because "it looked good". Many Mac users I have seen/known are exactly the same, and some, like this guy, have bought it specifically to game with. It's mind blowing. Seems you can fool anyone today with cheap parlor-tricks. :rolleyes:

Most people are like that full stop, if they use Macs or not. The vast majorirty of people don't know HOW a computer works or what's in it, they only care that it works and that's about it. To use anecdotes I know more Windows users who are clueless than Mac users who are clueless.

Oh, and Macs DO run Windows faster. They use optimsed drivers for that specific hardware in the machine rather than more generic ones that have to play nice with other generic parts beyond what the driver is actually written for. Software optimisation is far more important than sheer hardware power. Just look at how Windows XP and 7 run faster on the EXACT same machine than Vista, all down to software.

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Mac pro's comes with a GT 120 which is a rebranded 9500GT and thats after forking out over $2500 before tax. Xeon's are not gaming CPU's either.

I'm also betting the Mac Pro case won't be allowing any new ATI or Nvidia cards

unless you take a pair of tinsnips to it.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro?mco=MTM3NTI1NTI

For that price and specs I could buy 2 PC's and play with a friend.

With your comment on the case I'm making the assumption you've NEVER seen a Mac Pro in person that's been opened. Lift latch on back, panel comes off. Tada, done. Also, you couldn't make 2 PC's with the same specs for that price. They're server parts, it's a workstation not a desktop. It's not made for gaming it's made for massive sustained number crunching. Putting the loads they're designed for onto a regular desktop (even an UBER i7 machine) will kill it. Desktops aren't made for sustained high throughput over periods of days and months, sometimes even years of never been turned off beyond the odd restart for software updates, just like a server. It's a tool for a different job, it's not a gaming rig, but they're more than capable of running games.

Edited April 2, 2010 by Madus_Maximus

[jblackrupert 14]

Whats your point. it's the only mac I see that could fit a full size GPU.

1) Your paying Apples inflated price for nothing more then a plastic logo

2) Your paying higher price for a workstation/Server Xeon CPU thats not

aimed at gaming + Apples "Cause it's in an Apple" fee.

A 640GB hard drive? Do they even sell those anymore?

Apple must be pretty cheap if they can't throw in a Terabyte drive

that sell for under $90 nowadays.

I've owned many macs. Bought lots of them in bulk purchases of office equipment

to refurbish and sell online. I could barely give them away.

I even dumped 6 Imacs in an alley and posted on Craigslist. "Come get them"

cause they were nothing but a headache.

5 days later. 3 of them were still there and 1 was trashed.

The Yahoo 2010 Olympics store in Yaletown got broken into

everything was taken except the 20 or so macs sitting openly on tables.

Junkies in Vancouver will steal your toenail clippers but for some

reason they left those macs alone and took a bunch of leather chairs

and old tools used to build the store.

Edited April 2, 2010 by jblackrupert

[whisper 0]

Well, it looks like anti-mac fanatics are not a inch better than mac fanatics, in the end... :rolleyes:

Could we get back on topic? Pretty please

[bangtail 0]

Well, it looks like anti-mac fanatics are not a inch better than mac fanatics, in the end... :rolleyes:

Could we get back on topic? Pretty please

That Madus guy is forever preaching crApple's 'greatness' and he is the one who derailed the thread (Further, a lot of what he says is flat out wrong but I won't get into that here).

You're right though, HE should get back on topic :p

/on topic

I'm happy to see they seem to have fixed the server browser. I hadn't played in a few days and I was pleasantly surprised when I jumped on last night :)

Edited April 2, 2010 by BangTail

[AndresCL 10]

Most people are like that full stop, if they use Macs or not. The vast majorirty of people don't know HOW a computer works or what's in it, they only care that it works and that's about it. To use anecdotes I know more Windows users who are clueless than Mac users who are clueless.

Oh, and Macs DO run Windows faster. They use optimsed drivers for that specific hardware in the machine rather than more generic ones that have to play nice with other generic parts beyond what the driver is actually written for. Software optimisation is far more important than sheer hardware power. Just look at how Windows XP and 7 run faster on the EXACT same machine than Vista, all down to software.

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With your comment on the case I'm making the assumption you've NEVER seen a Mac Pro in person that's been opened. Lift latch on back, panel comes off. Tada, done. Also, you couldn't make 2 PC's with the same specs for that price. They're server parts, it's a workstation not a desktop. It's not made for gaming it's made for massive sustained number crunching. Putting the loads they're designed for onto a regular desktop (even an UBER i7 machine) will kill it. Desktops aren't made for sustained high throughput over periods of days and months, sometimes even years of never been turned off beyond the odd restart for software updates, just like a server. It's a tool for a different job, it's not a gaming rig, but they're more than capable of running games.

You rarely have to restart your PC if you have linux.

And after all, MacOS is based off linux, right?

Also, id like a Mac V/S a PC equivalent running off SuperPI, just to see if that is true.

[dm 9]

@MacFags:

@Everyone else:

How the fuck do you use shotguns in this game? Whenever I try, I can never get near enough to my target to do any worthwhile damage... Normally I just get PKM/XM8/Krinkov headshot'ed before I can do any damage... Damn pistol is more effective than the shotguns :(

[Bulldogs 10]

Well, Mac OS' are based off Unix, and Linux is also based off Unix, then again, the orginial DOS (microsoft) was loosely based off Unix, but anyways...

Back on topic, I find the shotgun only good for breaching (taking out thin walls, doors, etc)

[Guest]

@MacFags:

How the fuck do you use shotguns in this game? Whenever I try, I can never get near enough to my target to do any worthwhile damage... Normally I just get PKM/XM8/Krinkov headshot'ed before I can do any damage... Damn pistol is more effective than the shotguns :(

I feel the same about those shotguns and love pistols, even at a limit range 2 shots can kill :)

Anyway, I guess I have seen people use those shotguns when they spawn on someone trying to take the base (or CM or MC however its called, I dont care :) ) and defending it with it. That seems to be rather effective in buildings.

[Madus_Maximus 0]

The shotguns are pretty useless I find apart from like said above, breaching doors and thin walls. The range is a little too low unless it's a really close quarters situation. But then, that's what shotfuns are designed for lol.

Edited April 3, 2010 by Madus_Maximus

[Flash Thunder 10]

@Everyone else:

How the fuck do you use shotguns in this game? Whenever I try, I can never get near enough to my target to do any worthwhile damage... Normally I just get PKM/XM8/Krinkov headshot'ed before I can do any damage... Damn pistol is more effective than the shotguns.

There placeholders. Seems like DICE ported the weapons straight from BFBC1 hardly any new ones.

Pistols>Shotguns

Pistols>LMG's

Rocket Launchers like the Carl Gustav= RAPE

M60 with MAG ammo= Endgame

Rather Nice...... balance DICE has implemented even with public Beta. FAIL!

OT: If BF3 doesnt stay PC exclusive i'll stop buying games from DICE.

[jw custom 56]

OT: If BF3 doesnt stay PC exclusive i'll stop buying games from DICE.

Well i don't mind it come out on console but i don't want a port :)

[Madus_Maximus 0]

I'm not really bothered with games being on console, it's just when they do an obvious port to PC and don't bother to address PC "issues" in the process. Not being able to go prone or lean left/right are two of the more obvious casualties in most FPS games that get ported over. How difficult is it to add these things? At least the lean, and that won't require you to have to redesign parts of the environments like going prone my potentially do. The interface being overly cluttered and condenced with lots of sub-menu's is also an annoyance with console ports.

You also seem to get auto-aiming in some games too, to a degree. Fallout 3 is a good example. Check where your shots go even if you're not actually aiming there. They hit the target centre mass even when you're not always aiming there. This is more obvious with rapid firing weapons like the laser gattling or something, but it's there and sometimes annoying as it's more common when they're behind some cover and you're aiming where they're exposed, whilst it hits centre mass that's BEHIND the cover!

Overall I'm happy with this. It's a welcome change from the poorly made over hyped fluff we've had over the last few years. It's not quite as good in MP as BF2 was, but that's down to the console changes (prone/lean as mentioned above). The larger maps and destructive objects really add an element of "oh crap!" though, you have to think of your cover more lol. The sound goes without saying. I hope BIS can implement something similar with OA (I'm sure I saw something about them redesigning the sound engine, or maybe I missread or it was miss-translated).

Edited April 3, 2010 by Madus_Maximus

[Flash Thunder 10]

im thinking about uninstalling BFBC 2 since its shite and using that money to buy the Stimulas package and Operation Arrowhead.

Lulz

[Madus_Maximus 0]

im thinking about uninstalling BFBC 2 since its shite and using that money to buy the Stimulas package and Operation Arrowhead.

Lulz

Enjoy your 3 new maps (and 2 old) for $15! It's been pretty much universally slammed as half assed and well over priced and nothing but a cash in. I wonder if they're charging so much so IW get some money from it seeing as Activision still haven't given them any profits from game sales yet? OA = win though!

I really prefer BC2 to MW2, MP is better, SP is better and DICE seem comitted to releasing new maps for free (unless EA say they can't). Even if it's just to have a dig at IW/Acitivision it's all good for players in the end.

[Flash Thunder 10]

Enjoy your 3 new maps (and 2 old) for $15! It's been pretty much universally slammed as half assed and well over priced and nothing but a cash in. I wonder if they're charging so much so IW get some money from it seeing as Activision still haven't given them any profits from game sales yet? OA = win though!

I really prefer BC2 to MW2, MP is better, SP is better and DICE seem comitted to releasing new maps for free (unless EA say they can't). Even if it's just to have a dig at IW/Acitivision it's all good for players in the end.

IDK I think the Stimulas Package is good, my brother in law bought it and we had a go at it last couple of days, 15 dollars is alot though for 3 new maps, dont care at all for the remakes (dont fit the exploitable MW2 mechanics).

Also seeing how Activision is the Nazi Germany of Video game industry keeps me from supporting their "rather harsh ideaologies". ;)

Anyways yeah I think im done with BFBC 2, enjoyed only for a day or two with the clan then we all got bored pretty much, same **** different a**hole.

unbalanced cluster fook of m203's and rocket propelled grenades and worse Helicopters/tanks/UAV's and mortars to spam. :mad:

(not saying that the above isnt in Moodern fragfare 2 aswell but its more acceptable in mw2 mechanics than in the slow and sluggish bfbc2 mechanics)

[ziiip 1]

I pay 10 dollars for food that I eat within hours. 15$ for 3 good new maps is nothing.

Although I prefer the Arma way of getting new content. :D

[sic-disaster 311]

15$ bucks for 3 new maps is extortion, that's what it is. And pulling apart the online community between buyers and nonbuyers.

If you want to support the community and have them buy your next game, free DLC is where it's at.

As an example i'll take Tripwire Interactive, developers of Red Orchestra and Killing Floor.

RO got 2 years (2 YEARS!) of free content updates, adding maps, weapons, extra stuff like smoke grenades etc.

Since release KF has gotten new maps, new weapons and a level-increase for the perk system. All for free.

Both games had mapping contests as well, with the winner getting something like a 10.000$ price if i remember correctly. All the good maps got 'adopted' by TWI with ofcourse credits to the creators, got refined a bit so they are up to retail standards, adding something like 10 maps in one go.

The games were good on their own, but getting this DLC for free has moved many fans to buy whatever next game they come up with, even if it was a Teletubby game, just to support them.

Thankfully though they are working on RO2 though :D.

But my guess is that the same will happen here with BIS, after patches improving the game and getting a free new campaign and the Apache, when OPA goes retail.

This is the way to get fan support.

Edited April 8, 2010 by SiC-Disaster

[Aeneas2020 10]

15$ bucks for 3 new maps is extortion, that's what it is. And pulling apart the online community between buyers and nonbuyers.

If you want to support the community and have them buy your next game, free DLC is where it's at.

As an example i'll take Tripwire Interactive, developers of Red Orchestra and Killing Floor.

RO got 2 years (2 YEARS!) of free content updates, adding maps, weapons, extra stuff like smoke grenades etc.

Since release KF has gotten new maps, new weapons and a level-increase for the perk system. All for free.

Both games had mapping contests as well, with the winner getting something like a 10.000$ price if i remember correctly. All the good maps got 'adopted' by TWI with ofcourse credits to the creators, got refined a bit so they are up to retail standards, adding something like 10 maps in one go.

The games were good on their own, but getting this DLC for free has moved many fans to buy whatever next game they come up with, even if it was a Teletubby game, just to support them.

Thankfully though they are working on RO2 though :D.

But my guess is that the same will happen here with BIS, after patches improving the game and getting a free new campaign and the Apache, when OPA goes retail.

This is the way to get fan support.

The prob is SiC old chum that BIS and TWI are no where near as commercially sucessful as DICE...people have short memories and so long as they hype BC3 enough people will forget all about the DLC crap and just buy the next game again.

[Flash Thunder 10]

Is ROHOS even in production still?

God its been forever since we have seen any footage on that game, I liked the first game alot although the AI was down right pathetic.

If the DLC was being sold without Activision being in the picture I might consider buying it.

Who here thinks Battlefield 3 will actually be a PC exclusive and end up to Top BF2?

and have dedicated servers and mod tools?

I 100% doubt it, damn consoles!