Console version of ARMA 2

[Placebo 29]

waiting for rockstars new console game RDR.

Cannot wait for that, will be GOTY for me.

[ChiefBoatsRet 10]

I am a PC gamer and I play Arma2 mulitplayer exclusively at the moment. It appears that most of the pc gamers fears are that if BIS were to make Arma for the consoles then they would go down the road of other game makers and leave us in the dust. As much as it hurts, reality will eventually come into play if they really want to compete in the gaming world. No matter how much we love Arma it is a very small niche game so if they keep it pc exclusive, thats all it will ever be. I would like everyone to be able to enjoy this game, no matter all the my pc is better then your console crap. Like it or not only time will tell how the market will shake out on this and other games... certainly not screaming and shaking of fists in a forum.

[avibird 1 154]

Cannot wait for that, will be GOTY for me.

Hey, I added you to my friends list still waiting for you to say yes lol. If you don't accept then go to hell and l will get a rope and bring you to a tall tree and you will be swing high.

Yes, the game looks great but I have been taking before on looks and promise we will see on the 5/18/10. I think you will get it 2weeks later:eek:

[Nielsneo 10]

Neil do some research. You are uninformed and your post is clearly a troll post. And I've already said DR sucked because of CM, not any "console limitation". Look at just cause 2, gtatbogt, and soon to release red dead redemption to see massive free roaming worlds more detailed than armas running silky smooth on console. The only problem would be BIS' AI, again, I already said that.

Hee Whoatherefatty, i'm sorry if my post came over as a troll post. That was not my intention. And i never said the 360 can't do AA. I own a 360 and every game i played on it does not have AA enabled and uses a number of effects to camouflage it. As i said the consoles are not bad gaming platforms but they do have some limitations to them a high-end PC does not have.

About DR, if you read my post you will see that i actually agree with you. CM ruined that game by using the awfull EGO engine.

[avibird 1 154]

Hee Whoatherefatty, i'm sorry if my post came over as a troll post. That was not my intention. And i never said the 360 can't do AA. I own a 360 and every game i played on it does not have AA enabled and uses a number of effects to camouflage it. As i said the consoles are not bad gaming platforms but they do have some limitations to them a high-end PC does not have.

About DR, if you read my post you will see that i actually agree with you. CM ruined that game by using the awfull EGO engine.

Nielsneo just to get you up to speed. The EGO engine did not ruin the game CODEMASTERS ruined the game. The EGO engine had some really good elements and some great gameplay segments the problem is the EGO engine was never finished before codemasters started making the real game design. Codemasters changed the overall direction of the game as well as the top people a few times before the game was released. The biggest issues were the game was never completed, the AI did not work, the grass vanished after 120 meter WTF, lmited weapons,vehicles, players in one game, game modes fighting areas allow to use at once ect. CODEMASTERS just flatout lied about the game and took the money and ran! The game still has some good potential if codemasters would fix it but that will never be. OFPDR had some really good close combat in a lot better then ARMA2 has. We will see if OA will be better!

Edited April 17, 2010 by AVIBIRD 1

[W0lle 1050]

I think this thread is about a console version of A2, CM and DR are totally irrelevant here. We had already two DR threads in which everything was said.

[Vick 19]

I think this thread is about a console version of A2, CM and DR are totally irrelevant here. We had already two DR threads in which everything was said.

this entire thread is redundant- avibird ring a bell

[avibird 1 154]

this entire thread is redundant- avibird ring a bell

RING RING RING goes the bell. You guys can't stop father time and time is on our side not yours have a nice day vick.

[Zipper5 74]

Our side and your side? What, you mean PC gamers and console gamers?

Y'know, from my experiences, console gamers have proven more hostile to PC gamers. :rolleyes:

"Time is on our side" just like it always has been. You cannot make a console without a PC. You cannot make a console game without a PC. So if we die, we take you down with us. Perhaps you didn't think that one through like the many other console players who say the same thing.

[Whoatherefatty 10]

Some one mentioned how this is a pro pc board because it's a pc exclusive game. But honestly, the first pro pc comment was yours zipper. Most others seem anti console rather than pro pc. That's my only problem. If you think the thread is pointless don't post in it. If you think console games are all limited and sucky fine. That's why you're pc only. Stay out of this thread. This thread is for people like me and avi and a few other guys who gave up/got chased out of here who want a console version of arma.

And don't take avi's comments to mean pc gaming is dying. It's just the truth that military based shooters are the hottest selling titles on console. A certain crap game nearly sold a million. Imagine a true milsim on current consoles. Pure success I would guess.

Edited April 18, 2010 by Whoatherefatty

[maddogx 13]

Some one mentioned how this is a pro pc board because it's a pc exclusive game. But honestly, the first pro pc comment was yours zipper. Most others seem anti console rather than pro pc. That's my only problem. If you think the thread is pointless don't post in it. If you think console games are all limited and sucky fine. That's why you're pc only. Stay out of this thread. This thread is for people like me and avi and a few other guys who gave up/got chased out of here who want a console version of arma.

And don't take avi's comments to mean pc gaming is dying. It's just the truth that military based shooters are the hottest selling titles on console. A certain crap game nearly sold a million. Imagine a true milsim on current consoles. Pure success I would guess.

Your second paragraph is absolutely correct, but the first one not so much. A true milsim like Arma2 would definitely be awesome on consoles, no one doubts that. What people are saying here is that Arma2 coming to consoles is most likely not going to happen - and they have every right to argue about it here. It is, after all, a public thread; not just for "pro-console" guys.

If you want to create a pro-console only discussion it would be best to create a private group for it. Otherwise, there's nothing stopping people from coming here and voicing their opinions. ;)

[Zipper5 74]

I'm not "pro-PC" at all. I own and use a PS3 quite often. My comment wasn't "pro-PC", I was simply canceling out his argument with an argument of my own, and I took his argument to be that he thinks time is on consolers' hands. But hey, I could be wrong in thinking that, but I can't see what else he means. I know that games have been selling better on consoles and I'm not denying that statement.

I'm not against Arma2 on a console either. I'm against console fanbois (but just as much as I'm against PC fanbois).

Sorry if I jumped to conclusions with that post, been having a very, very shitty day. Shouldn't be taking it out on you guys...

[Whoatherefatty 10]

Being pro pc isn't a bad thing. The pc is the greatest invention humans have created. It's not going to be obsolete any time soon. Personally I'm pro gaming. So if it's a pc, a console, a phone, etc, and it let's you play interactive media I am all for it and wish it success. Think what pc gaming would be without consoles around or visa versa. Wait, let's not go down that road:D

right now I feel like this game is an mp3 when a lot of people have cd players still. I want all formats to enjoy this awesome game.

[avibird 1 154]

Hey, lets stop all the crap here. What I mean by time is on our side is:

1. If bohemia wants to play with the big boys and make real money on there products then they need to get back into the console market.

2. If a arma game will not work right this current console system then it will work on the next.

3. Yes, currently most console players play fast pace run and gun FPS games and are under 25 but guess what they will all grow up and wanted a more tactical game experience.

I am not pro console but playing FPS on a console just fits better into my life right know. I still play one of the best war games on a PC. The mission combat games at www.battlefront.com if you guys have never played it is a RTS/TBS game together and it will test your command skills like no other game however, if you think ARMA has a big learning curve look out.

Edited April 18, 2010 by AVIBIRD 1

[Vick 19]

Hey, lets stop all the crap here. What I mean by time is on our side is:

1. If bohemia wants to play with the big boys and make real money on there products then they need to get back into the console market.

2. If a arma game will not work right this current console system then it will work on the next.

3. Yes, currently most console players play fast pace run and gun FPS games and are under 25 but guess what they will all grow up and wanted a more tactical game experience.

I am not pro console but playing FPS on a console just fits better into my life right know. I still play one of the best war games on a PC. The mission combat games at www.battlefront.com if you guys have never played it is a RTS/TBS game together and it will test your command skills like no other game however, if you think ARMA has a big learning curve look out.

1. Bohemia contracts to governments around the world- 2300$ per student, per course, they have 5-6 you can take. 10k+accommodations for the tutor to come out and teach up to 20students. mw2 devs, big boys? lol they're nothing in comparison.

2. you're right, arma in its current state, could never work on consoles, a watered down version could, but that wouldnt be arma2. the next gen consoles, still wont touch the next gen computer/hardware. you need the pc to make the console, the next gen console will be made with a 'next gen' pc

intels road map has been out for years, and consoles future has always been pale in comparison- 12core processors without the need for a skulltrail or whatever. hell yes. using a skulltrail with the a 12core- 24 cores at civilian price range. and "Intel readies 8-core Nehalem-Ex processors for a March launch" after the 8core comes the 12, and they have much much better ones, but are for the distant future i suppose or maybe just the military/government? dont know- now consoles a tri core, next gen maybe a quad lol

3. those games are designed to be exactly the way they are, they could make larger bigger bland maps but those games are short lived and quit producing revenue, people get bored quickly.

its all stuffed together to make it have more constant action, so you are always engaged with the game, they lack the ability to incorporate so much that without constant engagement or some cheesy storyline to try and get into, your left wanting to just turn it off and find something better to do.

know who gave the xbox its name? parents. microsoft figured more parents would be buying it for there kids, than kids or adults would be for themselves, so they screened parents and gave them a list of names to pick from, and xbox/xbox360 it was.

why bring that up? there is no arguing or debating consoles and its games are based for a younger crowd, arma2 is not.

pcs outperform consoles, there really is no competition between the two. tri core(your console) vs 4quad(pc) vs 8octo(pc) vs 12dode(pc) vs 24icositetra(pc) again these are all at the civilian range- computers need to do much more than just run video games, consoles will never be up to par, ever. ever. ever. i want you to understand that, its just how it is, there are always going to be certain games that are pc only and certain games that are console only.

and the argument consoles sell more games. lmao, consoles are designed specifically for games(computers cater to much much more), SURPRISE! and people always include the console only games in the sales figures.

im willing to bet money microsoft(excluding money made on the xbox franchise) intel dell emachine etc, have and will always make more money than say, IW or some other big console team

and BIS isnt hurting for money. greed is infact genetic- hopefully they dont get the sickness and give this console thing an attempt. if its not broke dont fix it, arma2 is going great as it is- loving the progression, and really looking forward to OA

Edited April 19, 2010 by Vick

[bangtail 0]

point is, pcs outperform consoles at a level beyond your comprehension apparently, there really is no competition between the two.

My RAM costs more than a console FFS.

As you rightly stated, there is no competition.

[Whoatherefatty 10]

That was a whole bunch of typing just to say a 5 year old console is slower than a platform that releases new tech every 3 months, vick. How many octo core systems can you get for $199 these days? What? I'd be lucky to get a notebook for that?

And arma could run on 360, don't be silly. Don't act like there aren't plenty of people playing this game on old AMD 3800s on all low settings and getting 10fps AND LOVING IT STILL. I was there not long ago and the game is still great even with a small view distance and crap visuals. Oddly, it's the gameplay that wins here.

[avibird 1 154]

1. Bohemia contracts to governments around the world- 2300$ per student, per course, they have 5-6 you can take. 10k+accommodations for the tutor to come out and teach up to 20students. mw2 devs, big boys? lol they're nothing in comparison.

2. you're right, arma in its current state, could never work on consoles, a watered down version could, but that wouldnt be arma2. the next gen consoles, still wont touch the next gen computer/hardware. you need the pc to make the console, the next gen console will be made with a 'next gen' pc

intels road map has been out for years, and consoles future has always been pale in comparison- 12core processors without the need for a skulltrail or whatever. hell yes. using a skulltrail with the a 12core- 24 cores at civilian price range. and "Intel readies 8-core Nehalem-Ex processors for a March launch" after the 8core comes the 12, and they have much much better ones, but are for the distant future i suppose or maybe just the military/government? dont know- now consoles a tri core, next gen maybe a quad lol

3. those games are designed to be exactly the way they are, they could make larger bigger bland maps but those games are short lived and quit producing revenue, people get bored quickly.

its all stuffed together to make it have more constant action, so you are always engaged with the game, they lack the ability to incorporate so much that without constant engagement or some cheesy storyline to try and get into, your left wanting to just turn it off and find something better to do.

know who gave the xbox its name? parents. microsoft figured more parents would be buying it for there kids, than kids or adults would be for themselves, so they screened parents and gave them a list of names to pick from, and xbox/xbox360 it was.

why bring that up? there is no arguing or debating consoles and its games are based for a younger crowd, arma2 is not.

pcs outperform consoles, there really is no competition between the two. tri core(your console) vs 4quad(pc) vs 8octo(pc) vs 12dode(pc) vs 24icositetra(pc) again these are all at the civilian range- computers need to do much more than just run video games, consoles will never be up to par, ever. ever. ever. i want you to understand that, its just how it is, there are always going to be certain games that are pc only and certain games that are console only.

and the argument consoles sell more games. lmao, consoles are designed specifically for games(computers cater to much much more), SURPRISE! and people always include the console only games in the sales figures.

im willing to bet money microsoft(excluding money made on the xbox franchise) intel dell emachine etc, have and will always make more money than say, IW or some other big console team

and BIS isnt hurting for money. greed is infact genetic- hopefully they dont get the sickness and give this console thing an attempt. if its not broke dont fix it, arma2 is going great as it is- loving the progression, and really looking forward to OA

My dear boy Vick you should know your facts before you go on and on.

1. The part of BOHEMIA that makes the software programs for government contracts is not the same section of the company that makes ARMA did you know that. If you know anything about business budgets and profits are not shared:eek:.

2. Yes BOHEMIA does have a working version with some issues right now. This is a fact. You are right somethings would need to be limited but the overall gameplay could still be the same. That is the point any ARMA game will still be better then all the other FPS on the console if you wanted this type of gameplay. You don't have to play a console game you have your PC version. The truth is you and all the other PC players are very scared about a working copy for the console because you think bohemia will see the light and make bigger profits with a console game and will turn away from the pc market the is the bottom line for all the hate.

3. You right most console games get old real fast and the new big game comes out most of the people move on. The potential for BOHEMIA to make money on download content is unlimited with new armys,weapons,vehicles ect. This game will never get old because of this as well as ARMA is more designed for COOP PLAY and with the mission editor unlimited. Yes the PC has all the community MOD's but this is not about the PC. This is about what the console market can give to BOHEMIA and what BOHEMIA can give to the console community.

4. Nobody said consoles can outperform PC's. We all know PC's can handle a lot more but have some major downsides as well. ARMA2 on the PC has some major issues just look at the thread WHY THIS GAME IS NOT MORE POPULAR and you can see what some of the major issues are with ARMA on a PC for the community.:(

5. FPS are played more on consoles and games will always sell more on a console then a PC if both are made. Just look how many OFPDR sold on the consoles it was more the ARMA2 for the PC and OFPDR was a incomplete game that did not work right from the start.:mad:

6. If you think BOHEMIA does not want to make more money then you need to wake up. The problem with bohemia is they have a very small budget and never make that much money to really make ARMA games so much better. Don't get me wrong BOHMEIA is best but if they had real cash think what they can do with the next game engine and game. Why do you think the games are never completed when released. Why does the community need to fix as well as add major elements to the coregame LACK OF MONEY AND MAN POWER to get the job done the way it should be done. BOHEMIA does a great job with what they have to work with but think what kind of a game could be made if they had more money. :bounce3:

7. ARMA game will never out sell a COD but who cares. It needs to sell better then it does just look at the numbers:cool:

Edited April 19, 2010 by AVIBIRD 1

[Vick 19]

My dear boy Vick you should know your facts before you go on and on.

1. The part of BOHEMIA that makes the software programs for government contracts is not the same section of the company that makes ARMA did you know that. If you know anything about business budgets and profits are not shared:eek:.

2. Yes BOHEMIA does have a working version with some issues right now. This is a fact. You are right somethings would need to be limited but the overall gameplay could still be the same. That is the point any ARMA game will still be better then all the other FPS on the console if you wanted this type of gameplay. You don't have to play a console game you have your PC version. The truth is you and all the other PC players are very scared about a working copy for the console because you think bohemia will see the light and make bigger profits with a console game and will turn away from the pc market the is the bottom line for all the hate.

3. You right most console games get old real fast and the new big game comes out most of the people move on. The potential for BOHEMIA to make money on download content is unlimited with new armys,weapons,vehicles ect. This game will never get old because of this as well as ARMA is more designed for COOP PLAY and with the mission editor unlimited. Yes the PC has all the community MOD's but this is not about the PC. This is about what the console market can give to BOHEMIA and what BOHEMIA can give to the console community.

4. Nobody said consoles can outperform PC's. We all know PC's can handle a lot more but have some major downsides as well. ARMA2 on the PC has some major issues just look at the thread WHY THIS GAME IS NOT MORE POPULAR and you can see what some of the major issues are with ARMA on a PC for the community.:(

5. FPS are played more on consoles and games will always sell more on a console then a PC if both are made. Just look how many OFPDR sold on the consoles it was more the ARMA2 for the PC and OFPDR was a incomplete game that did not work right from the start.:mad:

6. If you think BOHEMIA does not want to make more money then you need to wake up. The problem with bohemia is they have a very small budget and never make that much money to really make ARMA games so much better. Don't get me wrong BOHMEIA is best but if they had real cash think what they can do with the next game engine and game. Why do you think the games are never completed when released. Why does the community need to fix as well as add major elements to the coregame LACK OF MONEY AND MAN POWER to get the job done the way it should be done. BOHEMIA does a great job with what they have to work with but think what kind of a game could be made if they had more money. :bounce3:

7. ARMA game will never out sell a COD but who cares. It needs to sell better then it does just look at the numbers:cool:

1. where do you think that budget comes from? thin air? its a big decision and alot of money. you throw it around loosely like its no big deal- and you can bet a predefined percentage of that profit goes back up the ladder.

2. no facts all opinions, still null from your end

3. you're arguing profits again - downloadable content would be easy for them to fill, and the editor would be well accepted sure - but to what end, we've already seen what happened with the previous go at it. short lived, to be expected with any console port. its happened well more than once.

4. was giving facts to support what i said about the console not being able to have arma2 for what it is.

5. fps are played more on it because consoles lack any real decent mmo(do they even have one?), rpg, rts, etc..

6.firstly, you say theyre great- but previously claim they arent in the league with the 'big boys'

and hurting for money? theres an interview somewhere, where someone said unless youre talking about trading into the oil industry he wont be selling out- made some farma jokes in it too, its out there somewhere.

and 10years on the engine- with improvements along the way- regardless of man power they've had the time to make it work, and they have- game breaking bugs? never had any problem that deterred me from the game, ever, have played since launch.

and you apparently dont know what greed is, its when you go from your needs to your wants- sure everybody wants(needs to for certain priorities in society) to make money- but as i stated greed is infact genetic(its a trait that can be passed on- gained and or lost), it can actually consume the decisions you make and for what reasons, subconsciously i believe, but it may dwell consciously, don't know, either wayyyy pushing the decision blindly to port it to the console in an attempt to make money off a bunch of ungrateful/disrespectful kids could be a bad option for the business.

profits are the point of a business- but short term and long term need to be taken into effect-

profits increase short term during launch- product flops, company loses pr- next game release- no profit, loss accumulated - etc etc

or it could go the other way, and they make great sales but i just fail to see that happening.

had to type all that out because you failed to see how greed can be bad for business, most people wouldn't argue that.

and hate? i dont hate you for wanting a game, i think its human nature to be aggressive with disagreements- unless you're arguing with an apologist

speaking of flops and bad pr, hows the other companys rep doing?lol. i know ill never spend one red cent on a product of theirs. same thing could very well happen all over again- the console just cant handle all of the elements that make arma 2 great.

Edited April 19, 2010 by Vick

[Whoatherefatty 10]

I could list 50 bad things about that other game and none of them have to do with consoles. You're grasping at straws there. We've been asked nicely to not mention that company/game anymore btw.

This profits talks is nonsense. They would make money off this game if they released it. There is just a very large initial investment with a slight chance of little return down the road so BIS isn't gonna do it on their own. They do not have the budget or the manpower as avi said.

Here is what a company with a big budget can do on the 360. Avi was spot on. Arma 2 could be running so much better on pc if BIS had the money to have twice as many people tweaking the engine and AI.

[Placebo 29]

I'm pro console and hope we do a console version eventually, the important thing is that whatever decisions are made we don't lose our integrity, based on the last 13 years or so that would seem unlikely would it not? :)

Anyways as this is just being used by people to have a petty bicker it seems pointless to keep it open.

Viva la console!!!! ;)