What does ARMA 2 have that Operation Flashpoint 2 doesn't?

[MQ-9 Reaper 10]

ArmA 2 and Dragon Rising (not OFP2) don't box in the same weight category.

A2 belongs to the heavyweights, it has much more things to offer. DR belongs to the middleweights.

Edited June 4, 2009 by MQ-9 Reaper

[whisper 0]

I'll be quite honest : I don't know.

Why dissing OFP DR now that we have a lovely ArmA2?

[mr reality 0]

I'm keeping an eye on dragon rising, but nothing i've seen stands out . I even had a little chuckle when i watched an ingame video and heard the robotic commands. Yes there less robotic than ArmA 2, but there still robotic.

I didn't like the COD/Far cry 2 weapon position very much either.

I'm buying ArmA2, thats a fact, but i will most deffinatley wait for a few reviews before spending my money on dragon rising.

[CarlGustaffa 4]

Wow, that's a lot of expert observations considering OFP DR isn't even out yet...

@OP: Wait for OFP DR is released and check their forums. They have plenty of hard core fans there too, despite what many of the 'adult fanboyz' in this forum claims.

Personally, for me it boils down to OFP DS rumored lack of coop gameplay (too few players, limited to 8 I think, in the default missions). And most likely there is a reason for this limit. But I'll probably check it out anyways. Maybe I'll have a laugh, maybe I'll be blown away. I don't care.

[Yoma 0]

Let's just say that if you played the original OFP (BIS) and you really really liked it, you may dislike Dragon Rising (Codemasters).

To me personally it's pretty simple: no other game comes close to the games BIS makes, including Arma2.

OFP2 is commercially hyped, Arma2's approach is much more honest.

What do you like best:

-a great restaurant (yes you have to wait for your meal, but it's excellent,original taste and healthy)

-or MCDonalds (instant meal, generic taste, but not healthy at all)?

Other then that Dragon Rising is a black box, noone actually knows how it will really be and i'll be launching Arma2 after this post.

The recent gameplay movies of OFP2 make it look real weak and not a "true sequel" to OFP at all.

Arma2 has bugs, but i'm pretty sure the most important ones will get fixed soon. I haven't encountered any gamebreaking ones yet, but maybe i'm just lucky. BIS has a record of fixing up bugs in their games, Dragon Rising has no record at all.

It will either be a vastly less complex and interesting game or they will surely have bugs too.

[hoak 0]

Wow, that's a lot of expert observations considering OFP DR isn't even out yet...

That's reasonable, but it warrants mention that the Codemasters team have zero experience developing serious tactical realism games and that's making itself visible in what they're showing (and aren't)...

The trailers for OFP2 are all essentially the same video montaged different ways illustrating literally nothing in the way of meaningful features, and what looks like an attempt to cover a lot of flaws (bad animation, lack of real game-play features and content) with the MTV shaky-cam...

There are also the 'deal breakers' -- things that aren't remotely realistic that have been panned by genre Fans from weapon handling, gross technical errors, to tracers squirting out of every weapon, which make for a cumulative 'face palm' for serious realism Fans.

Granted this is one of the toughest genres to develop games for, the level of game engine, art asset, and game feature code sophistication pretty much sets the bar as high as it goes; but with leaked statements of irate Codemasters Developers panning the game's state as deploreable -- it's not surprising ArmA II Fans find it doubtful that OFP2 will even come close to BI's work.

I'm not suggesting that OFP2 will be a bad game, it's just remains a very reasonable question as to that whether it will even be of the serious tactical realism genre -- and this late in it's development it's pretty odd to be so vague on such an important point...

:butbut:

Edited June 4, 2009 by Hoak

[koroush47 10]

Yeah... Have fun in 16 v 16 (yuk) multiplayer where the bots get all the good stuff like tanks and airplanes.

Or would you rather do 70 vs 70 online games in ARMA2 were you can control stuff like tanks and planes? (and alot of them)

[Swatman 0]

Yeah... Have fun in 16 v 16 (yuk) multiplayer where the bots get all the good stuff like tanks and airplanes.

Or would you rather do 70 vs 70 online games in ARMA2 were you can control stuff like tanks and planes? (and alot of them)

its confirmed all players can drive any vehicle they want

yea, ARMA 2 sounds like a great idea, too bad it only plays good on .02% of this forums member base.

all this op flash 2 hate makes me laugh.

lets see if the american servers can even fill a 150 man server.

does ARMA 2 have limb dismemberment? there goes your realism, OPF2 is now officially more realistic

/rant

[walker 0]

Q: "What does Armed Assault 2 have that Operation Flashpoint 2 doesn't? "

A: Soul.

[Leopardi 0]

its confirmed all players can drive any vehicle they want

yea, ARMA 2 sounds like a great idea, too bad it only plays good on .02% of this forums member base.

all this op flash 2 hate makes me laugh.

lets see if the american servers can even fill a 150 man server.

does ARMA 2 have limb dismemberment? there goes your realism, OPF2 is now officially more realistic

/rant

Wait. Limb dismemberment = realism? ArmA 2 takes everything else except dismemberment which in the end doesn't matter at all. There flies your realistic DR right out of the window.

[Obroa 10]

ARMA 2 sounds like a great idea, too bad it only plays good on .02% of this forums member base.

/rant

Where do you get the 0.2% from, runs fine on my friends machines? and mine, and squads I play with. If you are only going to state the forums here, people really only ever write when there is a problem so that would be invalid (otherwise there would be a subheading forum group next to Troubleshooting called Please let us know if Game is running ok cos you guys are too quiet!!

Anyways I have more faith in BI to give us a game that we can enjoy cos they have proven again and again they will help the community and support thier games far longer than most other developers, this would be my overall recommendation for Arma2 (and playing it only confirms this for myself)

Edited June 4, 2009 by Obroa
added more info :)

[Ferox 0]

arma is obviously far superior because :

1. arma's fanbase is by far the most rabid bunch of rabies infected religious zealots who'll throw chicken wings at everyone and everything that as much as mentions any other game. I know, because I'm one of them.

and...

that's it.

hell yes brother!

bottom line is that Bohemia Interactive has proved itself over the years.. codemasters and whoever the devs are who have the wonderful op flash name, have only proved to want to sell to the mass market..

[jojimbo 0]

ofp is arma/arma2 and the baby of BI

codemasters really should have called their game something different imo.

although it looks good,i cant help think its gonna be like predator2,

ie...predator without the arnie

Edited June 4, 2009 by jojimbo

[Maddmatt 1]

Because ArmA 2 is the real OFP2 ;)

As opposed to raping another games good name for cash...

Not that I've written off OFP2. But it's no Operation Flashpoint, if you know what I mean.

[vshadow 0]

The ability to have fun in the editor so far I have seen tanks being dropped on people flying ships and a lot more funny stuff. (All can be found on youtube)

Also it’s done by a company with a lot of simulating experience.

[bloodbomb 12]

Okay

Thanks for all the replies. Actually, thanks for some of them, as many of them where completely biased, uninformed or just plain retarded.

However, the (helpful) comments informed me of what I wanted to know, IE: Arma2 will be the more realistic, gritty and faithful to OpFlash1, of the two games. Which basically means: sold.

I'm actually really relieved to have made my decision, as it has caused me some anxiety, I knew one of the two games would be better, but its taken weeks of research to come to this conclusion. I'm sure DR will be cool in its own way, but I'm looking for a milsim, I'm looking for another OpFlash1 (but with better gfx and AI), so DR is out for the moment.

As for the community, well the OpFlash/ArmA community is legendary to the extreme, its reputation proceeds it. I know for sure there will be a massive modding community and presence for years to come (shit people still play OpFlash GOTY let alone ArmA).

See you on the battfield

[CarlGustaffa 4]

That's reasonable, but it warrants mention that the Codemasters team have zero experience developing serious tactical realism games and that's making itself visible in what they're showing (and aren't)...

I agree on the tactical realism part, but how do we know what kind of realism OP wants? Some games offer this as realism, other games offer that as realism. No games offer every thing as realism.

Edit: I guess that was just answered above. Welcome on board :)

There are also the 'deal breakers' -- things that aren't remotely realistic that have been panned by genre Fans from weapon handling, gross technical errors, to tracers squirting out of every weapon, which make for a cumulative 'face palm' for serious realism Fans.

Yes, like BIS 3rd person and weapon crosshairs :) I'm sure many of these aids in OFP DR can be turned off as well, or at least eventually. Also, the least realistic missions are the most popular ones. So I say we have problems on homebase as well...

yea, ARMA 2 sounds like a great idea, too bad it only plays good on .02% of this forums member base.

Show me how you got 0.02%? Also, many of us haven't even got Arma2 yet...

lets see if the american servers can even fill a 150 man server.

IC Arma has had 100-120 for TvT? What is the maximum over at Shacktac for Coop? And last I checked the default OFP DS coop missions was limited to 8 players, probably for a reason. But, time will show.

does ARMA 2 have limb dismemberment? there goes your realism, OPF2 is now officially more realistic

Although dismemberment might be realistic for a fraction of circumstances, it has absolutely no tactical value but instead would cause all sorts of bad gameplay and would attract the wrong kind of people to the game for the wrong kinds of reasons.

Unless it turns out to be a totally unplayable disaster, I'll probably buy OFP DR as well, if only to support a competitor. Which I think is healthy :)

[st!gar 3]

Hell, I'm buying both games. :)

[NoxNoctum 10]

but with leaked statements of irate Codemasters Developers panning the game's state as deploreable--

:butbut:

What???? Source?

[Swatman 0]

Hell, I'm buying both games. :)

me to

[koroush47 10]

its confirmed all players can drive any vehicle they want

yea, ARMA 2 sounds like a great idea, too bad it only plays good on .02% of this forums member base.

all this op flash 2 hate makes me laugh.

lets see if the american servers can even fill a 150 man server.

does ARMA 2 have limb dismemberment? there goes your realism, OPF2 is now officially more realistic

/rant

Dead space is based on limb dismemberment! It must be the most realistic game in the world then!

Seriously dude? Your logic isn't correct at all. Your acting like limb dismemberment is the only thing that make a game realistic.

[Swatman 0]

Dead space is based on limb dismemberment! It must be the most realistic game in the world then!

Seriously dude? Your logic isn't correct at all. Your acting like limb dismemberment is the only thing that make a game realistic.

it is a good part of it

[Steakslim 1]

it's a small part of it actually. It isn't necessary for the game to have dismemberment, and it'd merely be a cosmetic addition to the game rather than a substancial one that'd actually add to the gameplay.

[Operation Currywurst 10]

Also, ArmA 2 supports many thousand units. I added thousand of units to a single group. The game crashed at 5000 units in one group.

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ArmA 2

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Out of memory (requested 68 KB).

Reserved 294912 KB.

Total free 6408 KB

Free blocks 548, Max free size 50 KB

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OK

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OFP 2 supports 288 units in total.

I added 130000 units in ArmA 2, and crashed with a "Out of Memory" message, like the one above.

I was already wondering why the "squad sizes" in the manual go from "fireteam" over "battalion" to "army group" (no joke, up to battalion they even state the unit size (300-1000).

[joethe33 10]

Wait. Limb dismemberment = realism? ArmA 2 takes everything else except dismemberment which in the end doesn't matter at all. There flies your realistic DR right out of the window.

Why doesn't it matter? You have to back up your statements with supporting evidence. Simply stating that it doesn't matter, does not make it fact.