Leon86 13 Posted February 16, 2010 Yep, if you can spend the extra, get the 5770. Performance is slightly better and it's DX11 compatible. and it only uses 18 watt when it's idle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forteh 11 Posted February 16, 2010 Awesome, if I can get a gtx260 for cheap Ill go for it, if not a 5770 is in order:) If it doesnt increase the fps significantly Ill come hunt you down:D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted February 16, 2010 Awesome, if I can get a gtx260 for cheap Ill go for it, if not a 5770 is in order:)If it doesnt increase the fps significantly Ill come hunt you down:D Lol :) I'd agree though, if you can get a cheap 260 216 (second hand maybe) then it's a good choice although as much as I prefer Nvidia, the 5770 is a better choice in terms of DX11 and power consumption (not something I really care about but it is a consideration for some people). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EDcase 87 Posted February 16, 2010 Awesome, if I can get a gtx260 for cheap Ill go for it, if not a 5770 is in order:)If it doesnt increase the fps significantly Ill come hunt you down:D Don't expect too much of a boost in fps as the gcard can only process as much data as the cpu can feed it. In other words your CPU will limit the graphics card to some extent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forteh 11 Posted February 16, 2010 Don't expect too much of a boost in fps as the gcard can only process as much data as the cpu can feed it. In other words your CPU will limit the graphics card to some extent. To be honest another 10-15 fps would be lovely, it gets very annoying when it drops below 15 fps at the moment, I would be happy with 25fps typically as a minimum :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whoatherefatty 10 Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) The only problem with MY 5770 is it crashes.... Often..... Like almost daily. During arma and other games. I either get a white screen or gray and purple lines and from what I read it's fairly common. Edited February 17, 2010 by Whoatherefatty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forteh 11 Posted February 16, 2010 Surely thats going to be a software issue, there are too many variables to be able to categorically state that all 5770 cards crash. What OS you using? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sofeel 10 Posted February 16, 2010 With these specs, would I be able to run the game smoothly? Core i7 870 Ati Radeon HD 5850 x2 8gb DDR3 RAM Windows 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leon86 13 Posted February 17, 2010 With these specs, would I be able to run the game smoothly?Core i7 870 Ati Radeon HD 5850 x2 8gb DDR3 RAM Windows 7 Sure, but if you'll run equally well on a core i5-750 with 4GB ram and a single 5870. That'll save you about 500 euro's. If you really want an i7 (only real difference with the i5-750 is it has hyperthreading, wich actually slows arma2 down) go for the 860, its half the price for 95% of the performance compared with the 870. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted February 17, 2010 (edited) The only problem with the 5770 is it crashes.... Often..... Like almost daily. During arma and other games. I either get a white screen or gray and purple lines and from what I read it's fairly common. Sorry to hear that mate. I don't game on my 5970, I prefer my 280 Tri SLI rig. I tried A2 on the 5970 when I first got it and I wasn't happy with it. I've also heard a lot of people complaining about ATI's 5xxx series with regards to Arma 2. I'm hoping Nvidia pulls their finger out and delivers Fermi in March although my Tri SLI is more than enough for anything out there at the moment. ATI's new cards are really good to be sure but I just can't give up things like nHancer in the final analysis. Edited February 17, 2010 by BangTail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Whoatherefatty 10 Posted February 17, 2010 Surely thats going to be a software issue, there are too many variables to be able to categorically state that all 5770 cards crash. What OS you using? I didn't mean to say it's guaranteed to lock up. Mine unfortunately does during extended play periods. It has crashed during Oblivion, Arma 2, and Sims 3(my girlfriends, I swear!). I'll admit I didn't do much research but a quick check of google and I found a few people in my boat. Windows 7 AMD Phenom X4 965 Black @ Stock 3.4 M4785TD-V EVO Mushkin 2GB x 2 DDR3 1333 HD5770 1GB @ 850MHz core 1200MHz memory More than enough cooling equipment I had the card at about 900MHz and it tested fine but crashed constantly. At default clocks the card is by far more stable but coming from console land ANY crashing is very frustrating. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bunnyman 10 Posted February 17, 2010 I'm about to get an iMac 27" (I will be playing my Arma2 through the bootcamp windows compartment of the Mac). But having spoken with guys here and other places some reckon that the specs are not really that great. Can someone confirm this? (I have no idea about computers really). The iMac is expensive but since my household already has some Apple stuff, I can get the iMac on credit without having to pay extra every month (just paying it off longer), so I am more inclined to get this iMac than a supermachine PC that I build myself. I know that a Mac is overpriced compared to a PC but the payment options allows me to get a Mac right now. But am I going to be able to play a future Arma 3 on it? 27" 3.06HZ intel core2duo radeon HD 4670 256MB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenwort 0 Posted February 17, 2010 Just ordered my new pc :P Going to overclock it to 3.7 or 3.8 if it's stable. Just need to order some extra cooling fans. Does anyone have a similar system? What's your experience? How well does it run arma2? Chieftec, MESH CH-01B BLACK/SILVER Giga Byte, GA-790XT-USB3 AMD, CPU PHENOM II X4 955 BOX - 3200Mhz Patriot, 4GB, 1600MHz (OC), DDR3, CL9, Kit Of 2, Extreme Performance Viper Series MSI, Radeon HD5850, 1GB, 256bit, OC Western Digital, 500GB, 16MB, SATAII, Caviar SE16 Samsung, SH-S223C DVD-RW/ 22x Compucase, Cougar 700W, 14cm, 80+ Logitech, MX518 Gaming-Grade Optical Mouse USB/PS2 OCZ, Behemoth Regulator Microsoft, Windows 7 Home Premium 32Bit, OEM Philips, 241E1SB 24", Smart Touch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azza FHI 50 Posted February 17, 2010 @bunnyman - dunno anything about macs but at 3ghz and a 4670 u should be able to play the game on normal with decent fps which should give u a satisfying enough experience... as for arma 3, i hope theres gonna be one but if it hasnt been annouced yet i wouldnt expect it for at least another 2-3 years, anyway (if someone with abit more knowlege wants to elaborate on this) i think with the release of the dx 11 cards we are moving into a new phase of (PC) game development. if devs can focus on building games for pc and not worrying if it will be compatible with the shit xbox etc we will see games start to emerge in a couple years that will be amazing! itll be like and interactive movie, some titles already feel like that a little. my point is an average PC, even a good one, i wouldnt ecpect to be playing games at decent resolutions that come out in a couple of years time will tell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leon86 13 Posted February 17, 2010 I'm about to get an iMac 27" (I will be playing my Arma2 through the bootcamp windows compartment of the Mac). But having spoken with guys here and other places some reckon that the specs are not really that great. Can someone confirm this? (I have no idea about computers really).The iMac is expensive but since my household already has some Apple stuff, I can get the iMac on credit without having to pay extra every month (just paying it off longer), so I am more inclined to get this iMac than a supermachine PC that I build myself. I know that a Mac is overpriced compared to a PC but the payment options allows me to get a Mac right now. But am I going to be able to play a future Arma 3 on it? 27" 3.06HZ intel core2duo radeon HD 4670 256MB you could play arma2 on this machine I guess, on lowest detail/viewdistance. I really think you shouldn't buy this machine if you dont have the money for it, especially since apple is probably going to release a faster one for the same price in a couple of months. If you want to play arma2 now I suggest you look at secondhand machines, I often see (desktop) machines faster then the mac go for 300 euros or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forteh 11 Posted February 18, 2010 Lol :)I'd agree though, if you can get a cheap 260 216 (second hand maybe) then it's a good choice although as much as I prefer Nvidia, the 5770 is a better choice in terms of DX11 and power consumption (not something I really care about but it is a consideration for some people). Ive found a 1 month old gtx260 216 on ebay for £110 :) Planning on then overclocking depending on how the frame rates increase, when I can afford to upgrade to a faster processor I will do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted February 18, 2010 Ive found a 1 month old gtx260 216 on ebay for £110 :)Planning on then overclocking depending on how the frame rates increase, when I can afford to upgrade to a faster processor I will do. Yah, that's a good deal. They really are good cards and my preference is Nvidia simply because I like to have nHancer (user manageable profiles) and the option to use Physx when it's supported. As I said before, ATI's new cards are really good and I might even try some games on the 5970 now that ATI have added profiles in 10.2. Good luck with your card bud, I hope you like it and that it gives you a nice boost :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
forteh 11 Posted February 18, 2010 Cheers muchly, hopefully it will give high enough fps, Im still obviously going to be dragged down with massive AI because my cpu wont overclock more than 2.6ghz (boo! hiss!) never mind, Ill get a faster one when I can afford the new board and ram :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mack. 59 Posted February 18, 2010 Hello, Im looking to buy a new games PC, ive got a budget of £3000 to include a monitor, keyboard + mouse and speakers. Im going to be playing a lot of games but the main one will be Arma 2. Im planning to buy fully built as the last desktop PC I had was a P200MMX 32mb 2mb video, ive used laptops ever since. Ive been looking at 2 pc's, the i7 extreme on www.pcspecialist.co.uk and the liquid i7 hydra on www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk with a few upgrades. Im planning to get 12GB of ram to do the RAM drive trick. Im looking for advice on the following 1) Is the Extreme edition i7 worth the extra money? 2) Cyber Power only offers 16:9 monitors, are there generally any issues compared to 16:10? 3) Does getting water cooling on the GPU make much difference if its not over clocked? 4) Has anyone on here brought from either company? can any recommend them or other companys in the UK? 5) I guess it will run arma 2 well but it would be great to hear from someone with a similiar system as to what to expect running at 1920x1080 with a large view distance? (flying choppers) 6) Is it worth waiting for the Gulftown and the New Nvidia cards? I cant find any info on release dates. Thanks for the help Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) Hello,Im looking to buy a new games PC, ive got a budget of £3000 to include a monitor, keyboard + mouse and speakers. Im going to be playing a lot of games but the main one will be Arma 2. Im planning to buy fully built as the last desktop PC I had was a P200MMX 32mb 2mb video, ive used laptops ever since. Ive been looking at 2 pc's, the i7 extreme on www.pcspecialist.co.uk and the liquid i7 hydra on www.cyberpowersystem.co.uk with a few upgrades. Im planning to get 12GB of ram to do the RAM drive trick. Im looking for advice on the following 1) Is the Extreme edition i7 worth the extra money? Not really, it is easier to OC but not worth the premium. 2) Cyber Power only offers 16:9 monitors, are there generally any issues compared to 16:10? No, 16:9 is fine. 3) Does getting water cooling on the GPU make much difference if its not over clocked? Not really, although it is also highly dependant on the ambient temperature of your room. If you are only going to be using one card, I think you'll be fine without it. 4) Has anyone on here brought from either company? can any recommend them or other companys in the UK? Can't answer that but you can google them and add keywords like problem, complain etc to see if there is an abundance of complaints. 5) I guess it will run arma 2 well but it would be great to hear from someone with a similiar system as to what to expect running at 1920x1080 with a large view distance? (flying choppers) View distance is a performance killer and no current PC will run it well at max. 6) Is it worth waiting for the Gulftown and the New Nvidia cards? I cant find any info on release dates. There is some big Nvidia announcement tomorrow (not sure if it is going to be about Fermi). As far as Gulftown goes, I've had an ES for a while now and it does nothing for games. The 980x (which is the only one releasing in the near future) will likely be $1300.00 or more. The short answer is, with Fermi right around the corner, you might be wiser to hold off for a couple of weeks. Even if you end up going ATI, Fermi will likely drive the 5xxx series prices down. Thanks for the help You're welcome :) /10 chars Edited February 18, 2010 by BangTail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kklownboy 43 Posted February 18, 2010 Hello,I... 1) Is the Extreme edition i7 worth the extra money? Only for the easy OCing, thats 800$~ more for less reboots when setting it up. tho 975DO is great. I use a 965@4.2 on air....3) Does getting water cooling on the GPU make much difference if its not over clocked? No, just a nice quite Kit. But water upkeep can be a pain....5) I guess it will run arma 2 well but it would be great to hear from someone with a similiar system as to what to expect running at 1920x1080 with a large view distance? (flying choppers) Your links do not have a kit picked.Depends on the vidcards, if your going with a 4.0+ CPU. But 12Gb with a 7GB RAMDisk is good.1920/1080 for VH settings(max AA) you will need CF or SLi6) Is it worth waiting for the Gulftown and the New Nvidia cards? I cant find any info on release dates.Thanks for the help Yes waiting for Gulftown is a good idea, should be very soon(next month~), and will be a Extreme version only at release. Not sure on the Gt480/460, and there will be no water blocks at release, and a GT480 wont be for sale at the two shops you picked, not till June if then. Could be 460s in May for those shops. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) Only for the easy OCing, thats 800$~ more for less reboots when setting it up. tho 975DO is great. I use a 965@4.2 on air.No, just a nice quite Kit. But water upkeep can be a pain. Your links do not have a kit picked.Depends on the vidcards, if your going with a 4.0+ CPU. But 12Gb with a 7GB RAMDisk is good.1920/1080 for VH settings(max AA) you will need CF or SLi Yes waiting for Gulftown is a good idea, should be very soon(next month~), and will be a Extreme version only at release. Not sure on the Gt480/460, and there will be no water blocks at release, and a GT480 wont be for sale at the two shops you picked, not till June if then. Could be 460s in May for those shops. I have a Gulftown ES, and if he is buying a gaming rig, it is a total waste of money. If money is no object then have at it, but it is going to cost you a lot more than say, a 920 or a 940, and you will gain nothing as far as gaming goes. Getting a 920/940 to 975 stock speeds is easy to do. I'm not entirely sure why you felt the need to answer questions I had already answered but whatever. Edited February 18, 2010 by BangTail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mack. 59 Posted February 18, 2010 kklownboy and Bang Tail Thanks for the info. Im going to have a think about waiting or not and get back to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bangtail 0 Posted February 18, 2010 (edited) kklownboy and Bang TailThanks for the info. Im going to have a think about waiting or not and get back to you. If the waiting is based on the processor, don't bother waiting. The real good deals on hex cores won't be around until fall at the earliest. You can always buy a 920 now and switch it later. Waiting a little while for the new GPUs makes sense no matter what video card you are going to buy. Edited February 18, 2010 by BangTail Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mack. 59 Posted February 18, 2010 I can see the logic there BangTail, the information I have at the moment is a 2 week to 1 month wait on the ATI cards. Hopefully there will be some solid release dates from Nvidia soon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites